

bigblue wrote:A managerless chelsea, managerless rags, bobo glimt, and now the worst sprus team I've ever seen. We are horrendous right now and Pep has no answers.
carl_feedthegoat wrote:I heard he gave a fiery speech in Barcelona the other night and really got the crowd going - shame the cunt cannot do the same for the City players against an embarrassingly ravaged Spurs team.
Hes a has been..yesterdays man. Time for a new manager this summer.


Im_Spartacus wrote:Sparklehorse wrote:The stats are largely irrelevant, you can’t say that a team was worse or better on the basis of scoring 7 goals less or conceding a handful of goals more from one season to the next and calling it the start of a decline. The fact is what we saw on the pitch, we’d not beaten Madrid in the CL before over two legs, they beat us before and have beaten us since but by god they didn’t come close during the treble season. I stand by what I say, I certainly didn’t any sign whatsoever that we were in decline, if a team can win a treble under decline then I’m a Dutchman. We won the league the following season too, admittedly we were not at the sparkling brilliance of the season before we had to grind it out a little, but you cannot be in decline and win the league. In my view the decline started at the beginning of the 24-25 season, we won the first four or five games but not with any swagger and we could all see the writing on the wall and then it all went pear shaped and nothing has really changed, we had a bit of consistency a few weeks back but we are still shit. As I stated in the first sentence of my post, when was the last time we were at it ? The answer is 22-23 as outlined by the matches highlighted and there were many others too. Yes there were a handful of brain farts as there are every season, but that was the pinnacle for me. I write this with respect but to claim that a treble winning side showed signs of decline is absurd to me.
Winning the treble is the pinnacle of achievement - but it's not automatically the primary measure of "performance", and that's a really important nuance. The trophies signalled the peak achievement in that particular era, but it wasn't the era's statistical performance peak.
If you want to understand how good a team truly is, you always look first at the league because over 38 league games, variance fades - wheras cup games outcomes can be over-amplified by minor variables like a bad referreeing call, a deflection, Pep's tactical brainfarts etc.
To win a treble you have to be a remarkable team, but you also need to have less of that cup variation/amplification - or that variation goes in your favour at key times. Otherwise we'd have surely won a treble in 2017 and 2018 when we were most dominant!
By repeatable indicators (points, goals conceded, xG/xGA, shot volume, possession), the data proves empiricallty that we were considerably less dominant in the treble season than 2021–22, which however we want to dress it up, proves that performance had peaked the previous year.
Points: 93 (2021–22) → 89 (2022–23)
Wins/Draws/Losses: 29–6–3 → 28–5–5 (more losses)
Goals scored: 99 → 94
Goals conceded: 26 → 33
xG (chance quality/volume aggregated): 92.03 → 81.97
xGA (quality conceded): 25.09 → 33.63
Shots: 713 → 600
Possession: 68.4% → 65.4%
By all the same measures, city were most dominant in 2017 to 2019, they fell back a little the next 2 years and hit peak dominance again the year before winning the treble, since when we have had a pretty linear 3 year decline.
While the trophies tell one story, we can't simply ignore the data or say it's irrelevant - at elite performance level, the data shows decline long before anything else is visible, and you can bet your house City knows and has all the evidence - for me therefore the question is why the fuck they didn't strengthen immediately after the CL final.
Interestingly, using the same measures for this season, we're practically identical in terms of overall performance from last year, but the nuance statistically is the xGA is significantly better, while our xG has declined - the result is that we see a markedly better league position than last year, but much of that can be explained by the drop off in performance of both Liverpool and Chelsea, rather than us actually being any better overall. It does also show however the argument that defence is more important than attack in terms of league position.
If the xG situation doesn't improve in the data by the end of the season, Guardiola doesn't deserve to be here next year.
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Sparklehorse wrote:
Two Cunts.....piss boiled !!!

nottsblue wrote:Mase wrote:
Blue In Bolton wrote:nottsblue wrote:Mase wrote:
Wonder who the other two are

Nick wrote:Wow they are carrick levels.
Surely it would be enrique?
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