zuricity wrote:PrezIke wrote:UEFA need to get rid of FFP. This might be its death knell.
If they truly want "fair" (which no system can ever truly be, and of course many of us doubt that's what they want), they should implement some form of flexible wage cap system.
They should look at the NBA which has the best one I am aware of.
Ironically, enough NBA players and agents have been watching football and how players push to leave before their contracts are finished rather than wait to become a "free agent" so it still doesn't quite stop all of the "richest" and "best" or most popular clubs from accruing talent, but is more sensible than FFP which does not reward clubs for how well they manage their players as assets rather than whether they are winners in clandestine financial strategies or not at all and reliant on their past to earn revenues regardless of how well they do on the pitch.
Please stop with this crap about any professional sports league in the USA. The NFL for example is a Monopoly. Absolutely nothing to do with free market principles .
Salary caps are against fair competition.
Meant to post this days ago...
Sorry mate, what's "fair" then?
One that purely rewards those with the most capital to invest surely cannot be seen as more fair?
I'm also not talking about the NFL. They are the worst example of "fair." Baseball doesn't have a wage cap either.
Being a monopoly is an issue to be considered regarding competition from other football leagues in other nations, hence why I didn't say to exactly replicate the model.
Professional sport and "fairness:" are a bit of a padadox in a highly globalised, neo-liberal capitalist world we live in.
Do you want some semblence of fairness or just the richest clubs to have the only real chance to win with any level of consistency or almost at all?
The NBA's wage "salary" cap is soft so clubs can spend over it, but there are penalties for/taxes on this and then those funds are then shared with the poorer clubs. This can be helpful to keep some lower clubs who run themselves well enough, afloat. The wage/salary cap is adjusted based on the league revenues.
That could be problematic as the PL, for example, has far more revenues than other leagues in other nations, but you might be able to create one combines some type of flexibility and/or use of funds taxed from richer UEFA leagues/clubs to fund spending in other leagues.
I will admit, the entire thing is very complicated but FFP is not focused on "fairness" on the pitch and focusing on debt MAY help some clubs to survive and spend wiser (I know some try to claim the correlation doesn't = causation argument there, although I somewhat doubt that about FFP, even if I think it's rubbish for what it claims to be for).
There are very smart people out there who probably have already come up with a system that could work in some way.
The point is wage limits of some kind, in each league, even if each wage cap was different per country/league, etc. It would still prevent sides from hoarding all of the talent and arguably would make things more fair.
Our fans who are worried about this should think twice, in my view. United would suffer massively due to how poorly they've been run. We on the other hand are an exceptionally well run club at this point in time where our transfer business, etc. has mostly been very good. United's mismanagement would be punished severely as they'd be stuck with all of the highly paid flops and in this world no one would dare take Sanchez without Utd paying almost all of the wages that would penalise them further.
This is all something I could actually support. Some here I know may still hate it, but I struggle to understand why other than we are a fortunate fanbase now who supports a club who is in position to do well forever.
One can still be a supporter of more "fairness" in terms of competitive balance and opportunity and not be aligned with those who want to see our club suffer or disappear from the face of the Earth as they seem to wish.