Pellegrini Satisfometer

[Original Dub]

Every aspect of football including helping the manager to assemble the squad & bring in players he wants, showing him options for players we have scouted who he may not have seen or suggesting alternatives to players we can't sign, helping him manage the budget by selling players he wants out, being a link between him & the chairman/owner, making the system work so that players come through from the academy better prepared for the first team & ultimately, assessing the performance of the manager himself & the coaches employed at the club.

If Txiki isn't doing all of those things, who is ?

Nail on head

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Every aspect of football including helping the manager to assemble the squad & bring in players he wants, showing him options for players we have scouted who he may not have seen or suggesting alternatives to players we can't sign, helping him manage the budget by selling players he wants out, being a link between him & the chairman/owner, making the system work so that players come through from the academy better prepared for the first team & ultimately, assessing the performance of the manager himself & the coaches employed at the club.

If Txiki isn't doing all of those things, who is ?

So essentially, and finally, you agree that it is Txiki's job to assemble the squad. I don't think anyone has ever said that Pellegrini has no say on the matter but it is his job to give him right kind of players and Pellegrini's job to make that mixture work on the pitch. As in all managerial jobs (and I don't mean only football here) it's up to Txiki how much he trusts people under him regarding judgement on individual players and overall decisions. But he is responsible.

How much of the current state, positive or negative, is down to Txiki and Pellegrini is whole another discussion. But in a nutshell, if we have less than desired overall skill level of players Txiki is responsible and if we can't defend corners Pellegrini is in responsible.

You are one of the most knowledgeable guys (even if we don't always agree) around here so I find it baffling that you so vehemntly oppose to the idea of sharing the responsibility like that. It's not like this is the first time, or first manager for that matter, we argue about this.

[Hazy2]

Berigistan is the spotter/he has players watched at all levels throughout the world. Vieira and Pellers have the pleasure of coaching.
Read the Making of Barca, the vision was his not Peps, Rykard was shipped out to allow Pep to work his plan onto the pitch. He is Hall of fame at Barca, club playing Legend. Pellers IMHO will lay foundations for Pep if the plan gets time to work and Pellers does not fall on the blip of away form. He has settled the squad has Nasri re -born and put Hart on notice he is not untouchable.

[Ted Hughes]

Every aspect of football including helping the manager to assemble the squad & bring in players he wants, showing him options for players we have scouted who he may not have seen or suggesting alternatives to players we can't sign, helping him manage the budget by selling players he wants out, being a link between him & the chairman/owner, making the system work so that players come through from the academy better prepared for the first team & ultimately, assessing the performance of the manager himself & the coaches employed at the club.

If Txiki isn't doing all of those things, who is ?

So essentially, and finally, you agree that it is Txiki's job to assemble the squad. I don't think anyone has ever said that Pellegrini has no say on the matter but it is his job to give him right kind of players and Pellegrini's job to make that mixture work on the pitch. As in all managerial jobs (and I don't mean only football here) it's up to Txiki how much he trusts people under him regarding judgement on individual players and overall decisions. But he is responsible.

How much of the current state, positive or negative, is down to Txiki and Pellegrini is whole another discussion. But in a nutshell, if we have less than desired overall skill level of players Txiki is responsible and if we can't defend corners Pellegrini is in responsible.

You are one of the most knowledgeable guys (even if we don't always agree) around here so I find it baffling that you so vehemntly oppose to the idea of sharing the responsibility like that. It's not like this is the first time, or first manager for that matter, we argue about this.

Because I don't agree Txiki is responsible for the makeup of the squad or with the way you and others keep wording things.

It keeps getting worded as if the manager just gets given a bunch of players & as if these blokes are off randomly signing people without the manager's say so. As if Marwood wandered off & signed Sinclair, or Txiki suddenly showed up with Demichelis. It's not down to the dof. Managers have told everyone that they wanted these people & they decided to do these deals.

Still people go on about Marwood signing Sinclair & Rodwell for intance, even though Mancini has said on numerous occasions that he picked them. Pellegrini has talked about the current signings, where he saw them & why he wanted them but people are wording it as if he was just given them & told to get on with it.

I don't agree at all that Txiki (or Marwood) is responsible for us for instance not signing a top quality cb I blame the Count (& Bob previously) 100%. I believe Pellegrini had players in mind who were either unobtainable or too expensive & he made the decision to spend money on more attacking options & wait for the cb to become available/next transfer budget. The budget is there, Pellegrini decides the balance of players, not Txiki, he advises & tries to put it into practice.

Not buying a cb could be costing us points now, but may still prove much better managemeent in the long run than when targets were missed last season & instead players like Garcia were brought in to do jobs, rather than keeping the money available & finding someone better. That's the decision the manager has made & if we end up with a star cb because of it, then the Count was right.

But equally if it costs us the league, then Pellegrini took that gamble, not Txiki.

[Alex Sapphire]

you lads are just making this up as you go along

unless you've got a bug in Manuel's office

[Ted Hughes]

you lads are just making this up as you go along

unless you've got a bug in Manuel's office

Why is there any need to bug the office, when the manager comes out and tells everyone he signed the players ?

Both Mancini & Pellegrini have done this, in detail in most cases. Not only that, nearly all the players we have signed recently have mentioned Pellegrini speaking to them, & in many cases they have known him for years.

The only one who is in doubt in that respect is Fernandinho (not in doubt to me, just others).

Therefore:

Brazilian midfielder Fernandinho has been brought in from Shakhtar Donetsk and Pellegrini said the 28-year-old was one of his major summer targets.

"I made Fernandinho one of the top priorities. He has impressed me on a number of occasions over the past few years and is another player I've taken a keen interest in," the Blues boss told mcfc.co.uk.

"He is an experienced international who will further strengthen our midfield and I think he will be well suited to the Premier League.

Note : he said ' I ', not 'we' but 'I'.


Case closed.

[Hazy2]

you lads are just making this up as you go along

unless you've got a bug in Manuel's office

Why is there any need to bug the office, when the manager comes out and tells everyone he signed the players ?

Both Mancini & Pellegrini have done this, in detail in most cases. Not only that, nearly all the players we have signed recently have mentioned Pellegrini speaking to them, & in many cases they have known him for years.

The only one who is in doubt in that respect is Fernandinho (not in doubt to me, just others).

Therefore:

Brazilian midfielder Fernandinho has been brought in from Shakhtar Donetsk and Pellegrini said the 28-year-old was one of his major summer targets.

"I made Fernandinho one of the top priorities. He has impressed me on a number of occasions over the past few years and is another player I've taken a keen interest in," the Blues boss told mcfc.co.uk.

"He is an experienced international who will further strengthen our midfield and I think he will be well suited to the Premier League.

Note : he said ' I ', not 'we' but 'I'.


Case closed.

from Pep G

He said: "I am really impressed with Manuel because I would like to be like him. No matter which club or team he is training, his teams play in the same way.

"His fingers, his footsteps, his trademark is always there in his teams. It has happened in Villarreal, Malaga, Real Madrid."
Express 29/9

[Slim]

Experienced international?

[Wonderwall]

Experienced international Traveller

fixed!!!

[Beefymcfc]

Case closed.

Case closed, come on Ted, it's not that straight forward. I think Fernando was one of Pellers Pleasures for joing the club. At the same time, I also think he was on Txiki's radar and was put forward to Pellers.

It's swings and roundabouts with who brings in who and it will be sanctioned by both sides. Txiki highlights the players, the boss may already want them and if they agree then we get them with a long term view for success on the field.

It's the way it is now, we work under the DoF system which is there for one reason. To keep control of the manager. Marwood, under a different guise, was the same but it turned out Mancini had the measure of him. He didn't have the measure of our current contingent though and that's why he got the boot.

[Slim]

Experienced international Traveller

fixed!!!

I think all Ted's proven here is that managers have massive blind spots when it comes to their players, explains Garcia as well.

[BobKowalski]

Case closed.

Case closed, come on Ted, it's not that straight forward. I think Fernando was one of Pellers Pleasures for joing the club. At the same time, I also think he was on Txiki's radar and was put forward to Pellers.

It's swings and roundabouts with who brings in who and it will be sanctioned by both sides. Txiki highlights the players, the boss may already want them and if they agree then we get them with a long term view for success on the field.

It's the way it is now, we work under the DoF system which is there for one reason. To keep control of the manager. Marwood, under a different guise, was the same but it turned out Mancini had the measure of him. He didn't have the measure of our current contingent though and that's why he got the boot.

Mancini thought/gambled he had their measure and overplayed his hand. Roberto wanted to run the club his way and F&T were bought in to run the club their way. Politically there was only going to be one winner and it wasn't going to be Roberto.

As for the idea that we waited until Pellers turned up to sanction or identify our transfer targets does us a disservice and flies in the face of common-sense. Txik spent a year getting to know the club and the players. Txiki is tasked with implementing a certain type of football and set about reshaping the squad as he saw it. That he was laying the groundwork for the summer business months in advance is precisely how any well run club should operate.

Compare and contrast this with ManU who did wait around for Moyes who nixed some of the existing targets and made a hash of new ones because no one had done the groundwork. In our case targets turned up in the same month as Pellers or before Pellers officially arrived. We did our business early and efficiently because we started earlier and the process was independent of the manager - it had to be because there was no guarantee who the new manager would be.

Secondly Pellers would be in no position to reshape the squad given he has no first hand knowledge of it. Moyes waited to get to know and evaluate what he had and left it to late. We had everyone in place for the pre-season because the person tasked with shaping the squad and identifying what players we needed was already at the club and doing his job. And doing it rather well.

Well except for the CB issue. But then no one is perfect.

[zuricity]

I think all Ted's proven here is that managers have massive blind spots when it comes to their players, explains Garcia as well.

Very succinct and to the point.

I think Bob K. has a better view of it all.

NQDP, highlights the problem with having a DoF. How many first team managers do we have to sack before we get rid of a DoF and get a replacement?

[Ted Hughes]

Case closed.

Case closed, come on Ted, it's not that straight forward. I think Fernando was one of Pellers Pleasures for joing the club. At the same time, I also think he was on Txiki's radar and was put forward to Pellers.

It's swings and roundabouts with who brings in who and it will be sanctioned by both sides. Txiki highlights the players, the boss may already want them and if they agree then we get them with a long term view for success on the field.

It's the way it is now, we work under the DoF system which is there for one reason. To keep control of the manager. Marwood, under a different guise, was the same but it turned out Mancini had the measure of him. He didn't have the measure of our current contingent though and that's why he got the boot.

Mancini thought/gambled he had their measure and overplayed his hand. Roberto wanted to run the club his way and F&T were bought in to run the club their way. Politically there was only going to be one winner and it wasn't going to be Roberto.

As for the idea that we waited until Pellers turned up to sanction or identify our transfer targets does us a disservice and flies in the face of common-sense. Txik spent a year getting to know the club and the players. Txiki is tasked with implementing a certain type of football and set about reshaping the squad as he saw it. That he was laying the groundwork for the summer business months in advance is precisely how any well run club should operate.

Compare and contrast this with ManU who did wait around for Moyes who nixed some of the existing targets and made a hash of new ones because no one had done the groundwork. In our case targets turned up in the same month as Pellers or before Pellers officially arrived. We did our business early and efficiently because we started earlier and the process was independent of the manager - it had to be because there was no guarantee who the new manager would be.

Secondly Pellers would be in no position to reshape the squad given he has no first hand knowledge of it. Moyes waited to get to know and evaluate what he had and left it to late. We had everyone in place for the pre-season because the person tasked with shaping the squad and identifying what players we needed was already at the club and doing his job. And doing it rather well.

Well except for the CB issue. But then no one is perfect.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about.

No matter how much concrete evidence is offered to the contrary, people will just completely ignore it & claim something different happened.

The previous connections between Pellegrini & Negredo etc mean fuck all, the quotes from the players themselves mean fuck all, & Pellegrini is a comlete liar, all so it can fit in with the concept of a few people on here.

No matter how many times Pellegrini claims to have wanted a player, he is just fucking lying, like Mancini before him, & it's all down to Marwood & Txiki.

[zuricity]

Case closed, come on Ted, it's not that straight forward. I think Fernando was one of Pellers Pleasures for joing the club. At the same time, I also think he was on Txiki's radar and was put forward to Pellers.

It's swings and roundabouts with who brings in who and it will be sanctioned by both sides. Txiki highlights the players, the boss may already want them and if they agree then we get them with a long term view for success on the field.

It's The way it is now, we work under the DoF system which is there for one reason. To keep control of the manager. Marwood, under a different guise, was the same but it turned out Mancini had the measure of him. He didn't have the measure of our current contingent though and that's why he got the boot.

The only reason Txiki is at City is because our owner has got zillions.

[Beefymcfc]

Case closed.

Case closed, come on Ted, it's not that straight forward. I think Fernando was one of Pellers Pleasures for joing the club. At the same time, I also think he was on Txiki's radar and was put forward to Pellers.

It's swings and roundabouts with who brings in who and it will be sanctioned by both sides. Txiki highlights the players, the boss may already want them and if they agree then we get them with a long term view for success on the field.

It's the way it is now, we work under the DoF system which is there for one reason. To keep control of the manager. Marwood, under a different guise, was the same but it turned out Mancini had the measure of him. He didn't have the measure of our current contingent though and that's why he got the boot.

Mancini thought/gambled he had their measure and overplayed his hand. Roberto wanted to run the club his way and F&T were bought in to run the club their way. Politically there was only going to be one winner and it wasn't going to be Roberto.

As for the idea that we waited until Pellers turned up to sanction or identify our transfer targets does us a disservice and flies in the face of common-sense. Txik spent a year getting to know the club and the players. Txiki is tasked with implementing a certain type of football and set about reshaping the squad as he saw it. That he was laying the groundwork for the summer business months in advance is precisely how any well run club should operate.

Compare and contrast this with ManU who did wait around for Moyes who nixed some of the existing targets and made a hash of new ones because no one had done the groundwork. In our case targets turned up in the same month as Pellers or before Pellers officially arrived. We did our business early and efficiently because we started earlier and the process was independent of the manager - it had to be because there was no guarantee who the new manager would be.

Secondly Pellers would be in no position to reshape the squad given he has no first hand knowledge of it. Moyes waited to get to know and evaluate what he had and left it to late. We had everyone in place for the pre-season because the person tasked with shaping the squad and identifying what players we needed was already at the club and doing his job. And doing it rather well.

Well except for the CB issue. But then no one is perfect.

You're talking to the wrong bloke mate, we're in a different world now.

We've been there for many a year, some have not quite clicked on yet.

PS. Ted's insight is invaluable!

*shakes head uncontrollably*

[Ted Hughes]

Case closed.

Case closed, come on Ted, it's not that straight forward. I think Fernando was one of Pellers Pleasures for joing the club. At the same time, I also think he was on Txiki's radar and was put forward to Pellers.

It's swings and roundabouts with who brings in who and it will be sanctioned by both sides. Txiki highlights the players, the boss may already want them and if they agree then we get them with a long term view for success on the field.

It's the way it is now, we work under the DoF system which is there for one reason. To keep control of the manager. Marwood, under a different guise, was the same but it turned out Mancini had the measure of him. He didn't have the measure of our current contingent though and that's why he got the boot.

Mancini thought/gambled he had their measure and overplayed his hand. Roberto wanted to run the club his way and F&T were bought in to run the club their way. Politically there was only going to be one winner and it wasn't going to be Roberto.

As for the idea that we waited until Pellers turned up to sanction or identify our transfer targets does us a disservice and flies in the face of common-sense. Txik spent a year getting to know the club and the players. Txiki is tasked with implementing a certain type of football and set about reshaping the squad as he saw it. That he was laying the groundwork for the summer business months in advance is precisely how any well run club should operate.

Compare and contrast this with ManU who did wait around for Moyes who nixed some of the existing targets and made a hash of new ones because no one had done the groundwork. In our case targets turned up in the same month as Pellers or before Pellers officially arrived. We did our business early and efficiently because we started earlier and the process was independent of the manager - it had to be because there was no guarantee who the new manager would be.

Secondly Pellers would be in no position to reshape the squad given he has no first hand knowledge of it. Moyes waited to get to know and evaluate what he had and left it to late. We had everyone in place for the pre-season because the person tasked with shaping the squad and identifying what players we needed was already at the club and doing his job. And doing it rather well.

Well except for the CB issue. But then no one is perfect.

You're talking to the wrong bloke mate, we're in a different world now.

We've been there for many a year, some have not quite clicked on yet.

PS. Ted's insight is invaluable!

*shakes head uncontrollably*

Insight as in directly quoting the manager ?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

you lads are just making this up as you go along

unless you've got a bug in Manuel's office

Why is there any need to bug the office, when the manager comes out and tells everyone he signed the players ?

Both Mancini & Pellegrini have done this, in detail in most cases. Not only that, nearly all the players we have signed recently have mentioned Pellegrini speaking to them, & in many cases they have known him for years.

The only one who is in doubt in that respect is Fernandinho (not in doubt to me, just others).

Therefore:

Brazilian midfielder Fernandinho has been brought in from Shakhtar Donetsk and Pellegrini said the 28-year-old was one of his major summer targets.

"I made Fernandinho one of the top priorities. He has impressed me on a number of occasions over the past few years and is another player I've taken a keen interest in," the Blues boss told mcfc.co.uk.

"He is an experienced international who will further strengthen our midfield and I think he will be well suited to the Premier League.

Note : he said ' I ', not 'we' but 'I'.


Case closed.

Look, their job descriptions are readily available and already mentioned in this topic.

Oh, and regardless there's not manager in the world wyo'd come out in that situation and say "we had shortlist of 10 central midfielders and Fernandinho was 9th. I kyself wasn't particularily keen but Txiki just decided to go with it anyway.... being that the sorry fucker couldn't sign anyone else. Also I was still in Spain when they started making offers".

I'm not saying that's how Pellegrini thinks but I'm saying that if you'd speak your mind you'd be sacked soon. I mean Real spent all their budget on Ronaldo and Pellegrini wanted something else, I'm pretty sure you will not find quote from him moaning about it AT THE TIME. It was only later he spoke his mind.

[flinty123city]

I'm pretty satisfied. Not of course with the league position, but with the style of play. If he tightens things up at the back (which I believe he will) then I will become very satisfied.

As a newbie, I may be putting my head in the lions mouth early on, but even though Mancini did a fantastic job in the early seasons, I felt that last season we dished up a lot of frustrating, boring dross with very very few convincing performances, and am still amazed how we managed to finish 2nd considering the general level of performance.

Pellars for me, has been a breath of fresh air, and the style of football has become exciting again. Amongst the mistakes, we have produced some breathtaking, convincing performances. In addition to this, he has already given us the knockout stages of the CL with 2 games to spare - eclipsing the awful showing last season in the group.

[Ted Hughes]

you lads are just making this up as you go along

unless you've got a bug in Manuel's office

Why is there any need to bug the office, when the manager comes out and tells everyone he signed the players ?

Both Mancini & Pellegrini have done this, in detail in most cases. Not only that, nearly all the players we have signed recently have mentioned Pellegrini speaking to them, & in many cases they have known him for years.

The only one who is in doubt in that respect is Fernandinho (not in doubt to me, just others).

Therefore:

Brazilian midfielder Fernandinho has been brought in from Shakhtar Donetsk and Pellegrini said the 28-year-old was one of his major summer targets.

"I made Fernandinho one of the top priorities. He has impressed me on a number of occasions over the past few years and is another player I've taken a keen interest in," the Blues boss told mcfc.co.uk.

"He is an experienced international who will further strengthen our midfield and I think he will be well suited to the Premier League.

Note : he said ' I ', not 'we' but 'I'.


Case closed.

Look, their job descriptions are readily available and already mentioned in this topic.

Oh, and regardless there's not manager in the world wyo'd come out in that situation and say "we had shortlist of 10 central midfielders and Fernandinho was 9th. I kyself wasn't particularily keen but Txiki just decided to go with it anyway.... being that the sorry fucker couldn't sign anyone else. Also I was still in Spain when they started making offers".

I'm not saying that's how Pellegrini thinks but I'm saying that if you'd speak your mind you'd be sacked soon. I mean Real spent all their budget on Ronaldo and Pellegrini wanted something else, I'm pretty sure you will not find quote from him moaning about it AT THE TIME. It was only later he spoke his mind.

I'm sorry mate but you know & I know that there are a million ways the Count could have answered that question without saying he prioritised Fernandinho. He is clearly making sure the player & everyone else knows that HE wanted Fernandinho.

It doesn't matter a shit when City first approached him (we first approached Jovetic when Pearce was manager ffs, does that mean John Wardle forced Txiki to force Pellegrini to sign him ?), what matters is that Pellegrini wanted the deal to go through, so it did.

We were also negotiating for Cavani. We went instead for Negredo, a player with previous connections to Pellegrini, & the bloke who played with him. We went for Isco, Pellegrini's top player from Malaga, Pepe, Pellegrini's cb from Real Madrid, & signed Demichelis Pellegrini's cb from Malaga. Am I the only one who notices a possible connection here ?

Their job descriptions have been sketched by Soriano, in one onterview; a spanish bloke speaking English & you lot have jumped on it as if it's the new City bible.

Then we have people like Bob claiming to know when deals were done, & even the inside track on Moyes' dealings at OT to back up his claims. Then there's Beefy with his uncontrollably wobbling head & all his insider knowledge.

It's all based on one sketchy interview from Soriano, the same interview which had a full tribe of people claiming Txiki was going to force Pellegrini to play 4-3-3 & he was just a puppet. Remember ?

Personally I'll look at the evidence & conclude that Txiki & Pellegrini are working together to build, as best as possible, the squad which Pellegrini wants, within the budget available.