Players Revolt in the papers

[King Kev]

At a risk of repeating myself, and going further off-topic, I think it is worth mentioning that Hiddink still has a contract with Chelsea so was never in the frame.

[Lev Bronstein]

Last chance saloon - ridiculous. If Athletico Madrid can keep getting managers so can we.

[Chopper]

Still waiting on an answer Lytham....

[lythamblue]

And in you line of work Mark, If you have the CV of a very successful manager come across your desk do you hire him or leave the unproven manager in charge after 18 months in charge with the staff divided?

Wrong question to the wrong person.

I have a history of giving top managers time to perform to the levels we have discussed and I am prepared to take into account all prevailing circumstances, especially those caused by organisational change and economic circumstances.

For instance, over the last 12 months or so, If i had sacked every manager who had not hit his targets ...... I wouldn't have any staff left!!! Sometimes, you have to accept that it is not entirely their fault and they are entering a market place where the market and competition is tough. Provided they are working hard and not too far from the boundaries set, I tell them not to worry and just keep on doing what you are doing and it will work out. I then finally remind them that they should chill out ..... because it my money they are losing, and not theirs.

Also, if i sacked every manager because I though someone better had come along ...... better managers would soon stop coming along in the fear that one day I would do the same to them too. I would give the incumbant manager an opportunity to grow and become better than the guy who wanted his job.

Finally, I would not replace someone who wasn't doing that badly with someone who had no experience in my particular sector of the industry and hadn't been gainfully employed by one of my competitors over the last 18 months.

I hope that answers your question.

[Socrates]

Still waiting on an answer Lytham....

it was a hard question, he needs to consult with the butler...

[lythamblue]

Still waiting on an answer Lytham....

it was a hard question, he needs to consult with the butler...

I apologise for leaving my PC to have something to eat and play with the dog.

My answer is as previous.

[lythamblue]

Last chance saloon - ridiculous. If Athletico Madrid can keep getting managers so can we.

So what are you saying Lev?

You want Man City to become the EPL version of Atletico Madrid?

[Socrates]

Still waiting on an answer Lytham....

it was a hard question, he needs to consult with the butler...

I apologise for leaving my PC to have something to eat and play with the dog.

My answer is as previous.

Apology accepted. So back to your previous answer. These managers that you give plenty of time to, are they managers that you appointed or did someone else appoint them and you just inherited them? And as for being unemployed, who are we referring to? Mancini was under contract to Inter until just 6 weeks ago. Unlike Mourinho, who was out of work for ages after he departed from Chelsea...

[carl_feedthegoat]

You know what surprises me about some of the posts within this thread?

The fact that no one seems bothered that players like Bellers, Given, Ireland, SWP etc are objecting tothe board ..... but players like Robinho and Adebayor are applaud because they aren't.

Well .... out of those two groups, I know where I would put my faith as to who cares about our club and who doesn't.

Do we know for sure which players went to see Cook?

No. What's wrong with just making it up to suit your argument though?

There is a saying that sums you two up ...... Be careful what you wish for!!

If Mancini is not successful ....... there is now no quality football manager in the world who will ever take us and our owners seriously again. The MCFC managers job will become the proverbial poisoned chalice.

We have now entered the 'last chance saloon'.

ABSOLUTE TOSH AND VERY NAIVE OF YOU TO SAY SO.

EVERY MANAGER MAKES HIS OWN DEAL WITH THE HIERARCHY AND OWNERS OF FOOTBALL CLUBS AND CITY WILL HAVE NO TROUBLE BRINGING IN ANOTHER ONE SHOULD MANCICNI NOT SUCCEED.

REAL MADRID GO THROUGH MANAGERS MORE TIMES THAN A WHORE DROPS HER KNICKERS BUT THEY STILL HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING ANOTHER ONE IN !

MONEY TALKS LYTHAM.....MONEY HAS ALWAYS SET THE TONE.

[Chopper]

And in you line of work Mark, If you have the CV of a very successful manager come across your desk do you hire him or leave the unproven manager in charge after 18 months in charge with the staff divided?

Wrong question to the wrong person.

I have a history of giving top managers time to perform to the levels we have discussed and I am prepared to take into account all prevailing circumstances, especially those caused by organisational change and economic circumstances.

For instance, over the last 12 months or so, If i had sacked every manager who had not hit his targets ...... I wouldn't have any staff left!!! Sometimes, you have to accept that it is not entirely their fault and they are entering a market place where the market and competition is tough. Provided they are working hard and not too far from the boundaries set, I tell them not to worry and just keep on doing what you are doing and it will work out. I then finally remind them that they should chill out ..... because it my money they are losing, and not theirs.

Also, if i sacked every manager because I though someone better had come along ...... better managers would soon stop coming along in the fear that one day I would do the same to them too. I would give the incumbant manager an opportunity to grow and become better than the guy who wanted his job.

Finally, I would not replace someone who wasn't doing that badly with someone who had no experience in my particular sector of the industry and hadn't been gainfully employed by one of my competitors over the last 18 months.

I hope that answers your question.

Obviously the owners looked at their business model and decided that their targets had not been met. I have no qualms with how it was done. Im sure that after 18 months you would make your mind up.

[lythamblue]

And in you line of work Mark, If you have the CV of a very successful manager come across your desk do you hire him or leave the unproven manager in charge after 18 months in charge with the staff divided?

Wrong question to the wrong person.

I have a history of giving top managers time to perform to the levels we have discussed and I am prepared to take into account all prevailing circumstances, especially those caused by organisational change and economic circumstances.

For instance, over the last 12 months or so, If i had sacked every manager who had not hit his targets ...... I wouldn't have any staff left!!! Sometimes, you have to accept that it is not entirely their fault and they are entering a market place where the market and competition is tough. Provided they are working hard and not too far from the boundaries set, I tell them not to worry and just keep on doing what you are doing and it will work out. I then finally remind them that they should chill out ..... because it my money they are losing, and not theirs.

Also, if i sacked every manager because I though someone better had come along ...... better managers would soon stop coming along in the fear that one day I would do the same to them too. I would give the incumbant manager an opportunity to grow and become better than the guy who wanted his job.

Finally, I would not replace someone who wasn't doing that badly with someone who had no experience in my particular sector of the industry and hadn't been gainfully employed by one of my competitors over the last 18 months.

I hope that answers your question.

Obviously the owners looked at their business model and decided that their targets had not been met. I have no qualms with how it was done. Im sure that after 18 months you would make your mind up.

That may indeed be the case, but it was not how they had originally explained or described what they were going to do.

They spoke of time, patience, long lasting dynasty's etc.

Therein lies the problem now. Who do they expect will now believe what they claim to be their intentions? Many of us fans don't believe their words anymore ..... so why should the players they have signed or the future managers they may one day need to recruit?

[Vantage]

If Hughes was under pressure it's going to be nothing compared to what Mancini will be under, I think the club/chairman have backed themselves into a corner what happens if Mancini tanks? We don't want the manager-go-round that Real have.

[Wonderwall]

If Hughes was under pressure it's going to be nothing compared to what Mancini will be under, I think the club/chairman have backed themselves into a corner what happens if Mancini tanks? We don't want the manager-go-round that Real have.

the best young manager in europe (according to Jason Mcateer) is available if mankini fails.

[Chopper]

I think Mancini can handle a bit of pressure, this isnt his first trip round the garden. Italian football is a pressure cooker I think the pressure that you are speaking of is the Hughes brigade wanting him to fall on his face so they can feel validated. If he is being given 5 months to wow them then hes fucked unless we win the league. Like I said top 5 and beating the rags would do me just fine. Is he allowed the same amount of time or is it straight to undefeated out of the box?

[Wonderwall]

I think Mancini can handle a bit of pressure, this isnt his first trip round the garden. Italian football is a pressure cooker I think the pressure that you are speaking of is the Hughes brigade wanting him to fall on his face so they can feel validated. If he is being given 5 months to wow them then hes fucked unless we win the league. Like I said top 5 and beating the rags would do me just fine. Is he allowed the same amount of time or is it straight to undefeated out of the box?

nothing about the style of football along the way? Top 5.... WOO HOO

[Chopper]

So you would be disappointed with our best ever finish in the Premier League?

[lythamblue]

I think Mancini can handle a bit of pressure, this isnt his first trip round the garden. Italian football is a pressure cooker I think the pressure that you are speaking of is the Hughes brigade wanting him to fall on his face so they can feel validated. If he is being given 5 months to wow them then hes fucked unless we win the league. Like I said top 5 and beating the rags would do me just fine. Is he allowed the same amount of time or is it straight to undefeated out of the box?

Let's make it quite clear ...... none of us want Mancini to fall flat on his face, unlike some on here that wanted Hughes to lose so we could get rid of him. You were obviously in that category or you would not have made a statement like that and that sums up the mentality of the people who were in both camps. Also, for the record. I was never Pro Hughes just Pro Stablity ..... and we have just killed that one stone dead.

Personally, i am worried that if he does fall flat on his face our new found fame as 'yet again the laughing stock of football' will make it hard to find a quality replacement.

[Chopper]

Let me make it clear.

When Hughes was hired I was disappointed. I didnt see anything in his CV that screamed top 4. The last 18 months have been painful.
My gut feeling was that we would struggle. I hoped to be proved wrong. I havent.

[Buffalo Soldier]

I think Mancini can handle a bit of pressure, this isnt his first trip round the garden. Italian football is a pressure cooker I think the pressure that you are speaking of is the Hughes brigade wanting him to fall on his face so they can feel validated. If he is being given 5 months to wow them then hes fucked unless we win the league. Like I said top 5 and beating the rags would do me just fine. Is he allowed the same amount of time or is it straight to undefeated out of the box?

Chopper by name Chopper by nature I guess.

It is exactly that kind of comment that forced people into defending Hughes and made people seem like 'lickers' rather than just wanting to give a manager a decent opportunity. 99% of 'the Hughes brigade', myself included, simply wanted a decent period of stability before tearing it all up and starting again for the umpteenth time.

Unfortunately, after 18 months of going round in circles and god knows how many fucking arguments about the same thing, we have been denied a chance to see if Hughes would have ever delivered us the success we all crave. It would have been nice after so long debating the point to hang on for another 3 or 4 months to see if he would have won us a trophy or got us into that 4th spot.

The owners have decided to act and brought the new man in. I guarantee that there is absolutely no one who wants him to fail, which is more than can be said for a lot of people while Hughes was in charge. Unfortunately, the timing of the appointment means that we were denied the opportunity to see the outcome of the Hughes era and as such, if Mancini doesn't reach Top 4 or reach the Carling Cup final then there will be questions asked about whether it was the right appointment.

[lythamblue]

Let me make it clear.

When Hughes was hired I was disappointed. I didnt see anything in his CV that screamed top 4. The last 18 months have been painful.
My gut feeling was that we would struggle. I hoped to be proved wrong. I havent.

I've watched City for a long time.

6th in the table with a Carling Cup SF and over half a season left with unlimited funds for new players ..... believe me, that isn't 'a struggle'. Watching us lose at home to York, Wycombe Wanderers and Stockport county was 'painful'.

Ironically, no one has been proved right or wrong here, because the job was never allowed to finish and no one will now ever know where it would have ended up.

The problem is that you don't really have any idea as to what it takes to dislodge proven, experienced teams from their top 4 positions and just believe that all you need to do is hire yet another manager.

Even if Mancini is the best available ...... he will need time too (and a bit of luck on the way).

Do you think he will get it, or will you be baying for his blood too at the end of the season?