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Re: Why the Cook hatred?

Postby Original Dub » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:48 pm

Kippax wrote:The reason why the press, and others high up in footballing circles, hate Gary Cook is exactly the reason why we as fans should appreciate what Cook has done for the club.

He breaks the mould in that he would rather socialise with the fans of the club than have luncheons with the press, and this worries people not least Chief Execs of other football clubs who still see the fans as customers rather than friends.

I could harp on about all the times that I have met Gary and to a point socialised with him, although I wouldn,t go so far to call him a mate, I would definately call him a friend. Got closer to Gary in one season than I ever did to Alistair Mackintosh in all the time he was there. And with the arrival of the new owners came the breaking down of other barriers. I kind of label Gary as an exciteable school kid, he is as excited by what is happening at our club as we are, and although he may well be a Birmingham City fan his loyalties are without doubt fully behind the club. Some of the stuff he came out with regarding the Tevez poster was pure class.

You've only got to look at his walkabouts with fans during last seasons Uefa cup run, and buying of drinks etc, the handling of the fans during the South Africa Tour, and the 5 Star BBQ that was laid on for the fans in Abu Dhabi. How many other clubs Chief Execs would go to such lengths, and how much did you see written in thed press about it, practically bugger all. It was the same during the Banana craze following the fancy dress day at Stoke, there was bugger all in the press about that. You see the press don't like good things happening with the fans in football. Because they believe they have carte blanche to all things good, and they see themselves as vastly superior to football fans, especially working class football fans.

Personally think that he handled the Kaka and Eto deals reasonably well from what I have gleemed since, it was his way of saying we aren't going to be fucked around and believe me people were trying to fuck us about. OK he's made a couple of gaffs, again it was just his little joke that wasn't quite as appropriate as he thought, but we've all made hundreds of those in our life time. Haven't we?

I would just urge people not to make too hasty a judgement on Gary in light of recent events. I try not to judge people without having met them but I appreciate that in the current climate of open media this is difficult. He really is fully behind the best interests of the club.

Keep the faith Blues.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all.

Kippax.

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Thanks Kippax, as ever the voice of genuine inside knowledge on the subject!

He's not your average run-of-the-mill chief exec and we're aiming to be a club that's not your average run-of-the-mill big club that just wants to milk the fans but show no genuine affiliation towards them.

He is more human than the other big wigs I've seen in press conferences, but its not like he couldn't answer the questions properly yesterday. He made a statement that answered all of the speculation in the papers for the the three days before. Then he kept getting asked the same fucking questions again and again and again. They wanted to rile him up and it worked, which was his only downfall (PR wise) IMO and even that outburst from him showed passion and commitment to the club. I'm fine with that.

Like I mentioned before, and Kippax confirmed in the above post, seeing some of our fans turn against based on some of the most bias press interigation yesterday just shows me that the media's campaign against us may actually be working on some of you and that's what's the saddest part about all this.

They highlight only the bad things, or even the things that can be percieved as bad. Until it becomes obvious that Garry Cook is holding us back to where we need to be then he should be left alone.

Taking on the whole media when they all just want your blood is a near impoosibility and I can't see anyone in his position walking out of that grilling having completely turned them over.

He is the main PR man for the most media-resented club in England right now so let them hate him. We know what he does for us fans.

I love the way every time he talks to the cameras he puts across that all he cares about is city fans. It seems obvious, but no one else does it. Yesterday, he wasn't presenting Mancini to the world's press, he said he was presenting him to all of the city fans. He also demanded that everyone involved has to be commited to making this club one of the greates clubs in the world. And he said it with genuine belief and passion.

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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby King Kev » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:52 pm

MARKMAKAVELI wrote:Kippax comes along, states his opinion having actually spoke with the guy on numerous occassions and guess what...

It's fuckin ignored because people still wanna carry on their rant and push forward their agenda of disliking Cook.

This place is infuriating at times. Thanks for trying Kippax.

You could always try replying to his post yourself rather than having a go at other people for not doing so!

Just an idea.
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Re: Why the Cook hatred?

Postby King Kev » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:57 pm

Kippax wrote:The reason why the press, and others high up in footballing circles, hate Gary Cook is exactly the reason why we as fans should appreciate what Cook has done for the club.

He breaks the mould in that he would rather socialise with the fans of the club than have luncheons with the press, and this worries people not least Chief Execs of other football clubs who still see the fans as customers rather than friends.

I could harp on about all the times that I have met Gary and to a point socialised with him, although I wouldn,t go so far to call him a mate, I would definately call him a friend. Got closer to Gary in one season than I ever did to Alistair Mackintosh in all the time he was there. And with the arrival of the new owners came the breaking down of other barriers. I kind of label Gary as an exciteable school kid, he is as excited by what is happening at our club as we are, and although he may well be a Birmingham City fan his loyalties are without doubt fully behind the club. Some of the stuff he came out with regarding the Tevez poster was pure class.

You've only got to look at his walkabouts with fans during last seasons Uefa cup run, and buying of drinks etc, the handling of the fans during the South Africa Tour, and the 5 Star BBQ that was laid on for the fans in Abu Dhabi. How many other clubs Chief Execs would go to such lengths, and how much did you see written in thed press about it, practically bugger all. It was the same during the Banana craze following the fancy dress day at Stoke, there was bugger all in the press about that. You see the press don't like good things happening with the fans in football. Because they believe they have carte blanche to all things good, and they see themselves as vastly superior to football fans, especially working class football fans.

Personally think that he handled the Kaka and Eto deals reasonably well from what I have gleemed since, it was his way of saying we aren't going to be fucked around and believe me people were trying to fuck us about. OK he's made a couple of gaffs, again it was just his little joke that wasn't quite as appropriate as he thought, but we've all made hundreds of those in our life time. Haven't we?

I would just urge people not to make too hasty a judgement on Gary in light of recent events. I try not to judge people without having met them but I appreciate that in the current climate of open media this is difficult. He really is fully behind the best interests of the club.

Keep the faith Blues.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all.

Kippax.

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Would it be fair to say that your view of Cook is slightly clouded because he is your pal?

It's great that he gives those fortunate enough to be able to travel the world free shirts, BBQs, etc but my problem with him is the way he conducts himself in front of the world's press.

Maybe he is very good at other aspects of his job, as you have pointed out he is good with the fans who travel abroad and I am sure this is appreciated by everybody, but I think he needs to hand over the dealing with press to somebody less aggresive in their manner. He is damaging the public's view of our club with his little outbursts.
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby Wooders » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:58 pm

as I said earlier I've heard good things about him from other fans and thats enough for me to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I don't like how he handles the press though I must say "bottled it", banging his hand on the table to emphasise points etc make the club as a whole look bad, not just himself
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby ant london » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:59 pm

I have to echo Mark's sentiments.

I'm not even getting into this "debate" re Cook. He'll be going nowhere soon. If the delightful chaps who were chief tubthumpers for Hughes Out want to switch their focus now to Cook out. Well let them.

I personally find them more and more pathetic as time goes on. They can hate the chairman all they want, it's not going to divide fans like the Hughes vitriol because their invective is going to have zero effect on the team, and frankly, the idea that the owners would want to change (a pretty bloody good) chief executive just because some fans don't like him is laughable.

There is no requirement to like a corporate figure like Cook. Indeed to be emotionally attached to one clouds judgement IMO (look at Bernstein or Rick Parry....both hugely flawed in terms of performance but given carte blanche because "the fans like them") so if you don't like Garry Cook....enjoy the bitterness and frustration of him not going anywhere.

Personally I would just prefer to concentrate on enjoying the football and the excitement of where we're going but if some of you need your daily dose of bitter pill to get along then power to you. Enjoy
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby Original Dub » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:01 pm

King Kev wrote:
MARKMAKAVELI wrote:Kippax comes along, states his opinion having actually spoke with the guy on numerous occassions and guess what...

It's fuckin ignored because people still wanna carry on their rant and push forward their agenda of disliking Cook.

This place is infuriating at times. Thanks for trying Kippax.

You could always try replying to his post yourself rather than having a go at other people for not doing so!

Just an idea.


Its a decent point mate, but so is Mark's. Not all people in this thread, but SOME on here wade into the anti/pro debates purely because they feel things are black and white and there always has to be two camps.

Well, I'll say this for sure, I like Garry Cook as long as he's not holding this club back and the same goes for every player and member of staff.

But right now, I REFUSE to be part of one of two camps because I've a royal pain in my jacksie with that bullshit over the last year and a half. The whole fucking media is against us right now - more than ever - and now we need to just galvanise as a club and we'll be fine.

I'm quite sure some are finding it hard to adjust to there being no "pro", "anti" or fucking "fence" for that matter, but they're all gone now. All that's left is City and a unified fight for champions league qualification and the door that opens for signing THE best players on the the planet next summer.

I wish I was there on Saturday, but I hope I can hear the lot of you raise the fucking roof of the place!
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby MARKMAKAVELI » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:22 pm

King Kev wrote:
MARKMAKAVELI wrote:Kippax comes along, states his opinion having actually spoke with the guy on numerous occassions and guess what...

It's fuckin ignored because people still wanna carry on their rant and push forward their agenda of disliking Cook.

This place is infuriating at times. Thanks for trying Kippax.

You could always try replying to his post yourself rather than having a go at other people for not doing so!

Just an idea.


If you read further up, I gave my view on him and thanked Kippax for his insight - A post based on first hand meetings with the man in question, which is a lot more credible that people watching snippets on SSN and concluding he is the devil reincarnated.

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the articles we all saw coming about cook ...

Postby kinkylola » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:29 pm

didn't see this article posted anywhere ... highlights some of the things being said about city and GC in the press this morning.


http://blogs.soccernet.com/paperround/


comments about "soccer" are predictable, so let's be creative ok boys?
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:41 pm

ant london wrote:I have to echo Mark's sentiments.

I'm not even getting into this "debate" re Cook.


So instead of debating, just attack other people on the board eh? Isnt that what caused the divisions in the first place.

ant london wrote:He'll be going nowhere soon. If the delightful chaps who were chief tubthumpers for Hughes Out want to switch their focus now to Cook out. Well let them.

I personally find them more and more pathetic as time goes on. They can hate the chairman all they want, it's not going to divide fans like the Hughes vitriol because their invective is going to have zero effect on the team, and frankly, the idea that the owners would want to change (a pretty bloody good) chief executive just because some fans don't like him is laughable.


Onto the debate - as I think it is a worthwhile one, but maybe those who criticise him are a touch misguided. He most probably isnt a cunt, but unfortunately he often comes across as one to the assembled pack of wolves in the media.

We only form our impressions about him on the occasions we see him perform in public. I think the issue is that on this front he is somewhat lacking, as was proved by the Kaka situation and also yesterday. I think we all agreed with his thoughts yesterday, and also when calling Milan bottlers, but the fact is that from a PR point of view he is a disaster and just like I might think my rival company are cunts, I will tend to put it somewhat more diplomatically.

Chris Bird anyone?

Edit to say, not as a replacement, but to do the media work
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Re: Why the Cook hatred?

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:44 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:I DONT LIKE HIM.
HE,S A BUMBLING IDIOT WHEN HE IS UNDER PRESSURE.
HE CALLED US U***d.
HE IS SNEAKY AND SPINELESS.
APART FROM THAT HE,S PERFECT.

BTW - IT,S HIS FUCKING JOB TO DEFEND MAN CITY F.C. SO HE GET,S NO CREDITS FROM ME FOR DOING WHAT HE GET,S PAID TO DO.



HE HAS CLINCHED A NUMBER OF MAJOR BUSINESS DEALS
HE HAS MADE MANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CITY BUSINESS ORGANISATION
HE HAD THE BALLS TO FACE OFF AGAINST MILAN WHEN THEY WERE DEMEANING US AND LYING
ETC ETC

SO- HE IS FUCKING REALLY REALLY ANGRY WITH A BUNCH OF 2-FACED LYING FUCKING JOURNOS AND NOT WILLING TO PLAY THEIR GAME - NO FUCKING CITY FAN SHOULD BE BOTHERED BY THAT - THEY SHOULD SUPPORT HIM


BTW - IT,S OUR FUCKING JOB TO DEFEND MAN CITY F.C. SO A LOT ON THIS SITE GET NO CREDITS FROM ME FOR DOING WHAT DECENT FANS SHOULD DO BY NATURE AND DO DETERMINEDLY - CERTAINLY SUPPORTING OUR PERSONNEL AGAINST THOSE FUCKING SICK FUCKING JOURNOS

do not just mean you - in fact less you than a number of other posters - but we seem a bit like a pack of jackals the way we have this need to drag the wounded down - when they are own we should be protective....

We just need a top top press officer[
/quote]

SPOT ON.
OUR CLUB IS BEING ATTACKED LEFT RIGHT AND CENTRE AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO CALM THINGS DOWN AND TALK SENSE WITHOUT BRINGING US BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

COOK GAFFED (AGAIN) WITH THE MANCINI AFFAIR - MADE US ALL LOOK STUPID (AGAIN)

ILL SUPPORT HIM WHEN HE STOPS MAKING US LOOK LIKE IDIOTS.
THEY SAY SWEARING IS DUE TO A LIMITED VOCABULARY. I KNOW THOUSANDS OF WORDS, BUT I STILL PREFER "FUCK OFF" TO "GO AWAY"
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Re: the articles we all saw coming about cook ...

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:47 pm

kinkylola wrote:didn't see this article posted anywhere ... highlights some of the things being said about city and GC in the press this morning.


http://blogs.soccernet.com/paperround/


comments about "soccer" are predictable, so let's be creative ok boys?



The Garry Cook thread would have been a nice place for this.

Anyway, Henri Winter fucking hates Cook. Remember an interview he did on talkshite in February just after the Kaka debacle. He will attack Cook at any opportunity.

To be fair though, take the blue tinted specs off, and you have to admit he does look a bit of a twat when you add together all of his gaffes into the suggestion that the club were spinning a different line to Mancini yesterday.
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Re: Why the Cook hatred?

Postby Kippax » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:48 pm

King Kev wrote:
Kippax wrote:The reason why the press, and others high up in footballing circles, hate Gary Cook is exactly the reason why we as fans should appreciate what Cook has done for the club.

He breaks the mould in that he would rather socialise with the fans of the club than have luncheons with the press, and this worries people not least Chief Execs of other football clubs who still see the fans as customers rather than friends.

I could harp on about all the times that I have met Gary and to a point socialised with him, although I wouldn,t go so far to call him a mate, I would definately call him a friend. Got closer to Gary in one season than I ever did to Alistair Mackintosh in all the time he was there. And with the arrival of the new owners came the breaking down of other barriers. I kind of label Gary as an exciteable school kid, he is as excited by what is happening at our club as we are, and although he may well be a Birmingham City fan his loyalties are without doubt fully behind the club. Some of the stuff he came out with regarding the Tevez poster was pure class.

You've only got to look at his walkabouts with fans during last seasons Uefa cup run, and buying of drinks etc, the handling of the fans during the South Africa Tour, and the 5 Star BBQ that was laid on for the fans in Abu Dhabi. How many other clubs Chief Execs would go to such lengths, and how much did you see written in thed press about it, practically bugger all. It was the same during the Banana craze following the fancy dress day at Stoke, there was bugger all in the press about that. You see the press don't like good things happening with the fans in football. Because they believe they have carte blanche to all things good, and they see themselves as vastly superior to football fans, especially working class football fans.

Personally think that he handled the Kaka and Eto deals reasonably well from what I have gleemed since, it was his way of saying we aren't going to be fucked around and believe me people were trying to fuck us about. OK he's made a couple of gaffs, again it was just his little joke that wasn't quite as appropriate as he thought, but we've all made hundreds of those in our life time. Haven't we?

I would just urge people not to make too hasty a judgement on Gary in light of recent events. I try not to judge people without having met them but I appreciate that in the current climate of open media this is difficult. He really is fully behind the best interests of the club.

Keep the faith Blues.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all.

Kippax.

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Would it be fair to say that your view of Cook is slightly clouded because he is your pal?

It's great that he gives those fortunate enough to be able to travel the world free shirts, BBQs, etc but my problem with him is the way he conducts himself in front of the world's press.

Maybe he is very good at other aspects of his job, as you have pointed out he is good with the fans who travel abroad and I am sure this is appreciated by everybody, but I think he needs to hand over the dealing with press to somebody less aggresive in their manner. He is damaging the public's view of our club with his little outbursts.



Tut!Tut! KK.

You are surely better than that, using the word Pal, kind of makes you as bad as the press. I deliberately steered away from using the word mate, and then you come in and call us pals. Tsk! Tsk! But in answer to your question then I suppose my judgement of him is biased, because I have met him and spoken to him on several occasions and to be fair I have to say I like him.

Your second point quite frankly astounds me. At what point did we all suddenly become concerned as to how we are portrayed in the Press, can someone please enlighten me. Quite honestly I don't give a flying fuck how we are portrayed in the press. Ok, granted it's nice to be liked but it's not the end of the world. I want fans to come and follow us because we are Manchester City FC, not because we seem like a pretty decent club and the press really seem to like us, who gives a fuck? Did anyone of us on this board start supporting our bewloved Blues, because they were really well portrayed by the worlds media. For fucks sake get a grip.

So the man shows some emotion, Re the Kaka deal, and saying that Milan bottled it, does anyone think that he used that word without getting some sort of clearance from above. Ok it wasn't footballing etiquette, but it told me as a fan of Manchester City that there was something very very wrong with the negotiations and that the problem lay with Milan. In time you were realise what those problems were and why he said what he did. Same as the Eto deal, he wasn't going to let us get pushed around. If he hadn't said what he did and acted the way he did then we would all be totally in the dark and probably calling him spineless. So the man shows some emotion and isn't willing to let himself or our club get bossed about. Hooray for that I say. I bet there are many a football fan who would like a chief exec who is human.

Maybe he doesn't deal with the media particuarly well, but as long as he is conducting other fantastic deals re sponsorship and shirts etc and acting with the clubs and my best interests at heart then I really don't care if we are a NICE club. and he can continue to speak his mind even if it upsets Gary Linekar.

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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:48 pm

ant london wrote:I have to echo Mark's sentiments.

I'm not even getting into this "debate" re Cook. He'll be going nowhere soon. If the delightful chaps who were chief tubthumpers for Hughes Out want to switch their focus now to Cook out. Well let them.

I personally find them more and more pathetic as time goes on. They can hate the chairman all they want, it's not going to divide fans like the Hughes vitriol because their invective is going to have zero effect on the team, and frankly, the idea that the owners would want to change (a pretty bloody good) chief executive just because some fans don't like him is laughable.

There is no requirement to like a corporate figure like Cook. Indeed to be emotionally attached to one clouds judgement IMO (look at Bernstein or Rick Parry....both hugely flawed in terms of performance but given carte blanche because "the fans like them") so if you don't like Garry Cook....enjoy the bitterness and frustration of him not going anywhere.

Personally I would just prefer to concentrate on enjoying the football and the excitement of where we're going but if some of you need your daily dose of bitter pill to get along then power to you. Enjoy


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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby Slim » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:52 pm

ant london wrote:I personally find them more and more pathetic as time goes on. They can hate the chairman all they want, it's not going to divide fans like the Hughes vitriol because their invective is going to have zero effect on the team, and frankly, the idea that the owners would want to change (a pretty bloody good) chief executive just because some fans don't like him is laughable.


Cook is the Chief Executive Officer not the Chairman, that is Khaldoon. Facts? Nahhh, they are for other people.
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Re: the articles we all saw coming about cook ...

Postby john68 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:52 pm

Most of the substance of that is in fact true. The events are mostly factual but the manner in which they are wrtten are heavily emotive and opinionated, negatively for City and particularly Cook.

The important thing in all this is not that it iit anti City but that we knew beforehand what the press were like, we knew beforehand that ther press are vultures and would hang us out to dry and we offered up Cook to deal with it. Or maybe Cook offered himself up without knowing his limitations.

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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby ant london » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:54 pm

johnpb78 wrote:So instead of debating, just attack other people on the board eh? Isnt that what caused the divisions in the first place.


Firstly, no that isn't what caused the divisions. What caused the divisions for me was having to listen to people with quite dogmatic agendas re the management twisting every fact, happening or bit of press bollocks into more fuel for their anti-whoever agenda. The fact that they often then went on to act like kids in the playground slinging insults was neither here nor there for me

I don't think I attacked anyone for the record. Did I quote anyone? Was it addressed to anyone insulting them? No I don't think it was was it?

But....I think you will find that this section deals with the debating part or did you just skip over that. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of outrage eh

ant london wrote:There is no requirement to like a corporate figure like Cook. Indeed to be emotionally attached to one clouds judgement IMO (look at Bernstein or Rick Parry....both hugely flawed in terms of performance but given carte blanche because "the fans like them") so if you don't like Garry Cook....enjoy the bitterness and frustration of him not going anywhere.
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby ant london » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:56 pm

Slim wrote:
ant london wrote:I personally find them more and more pathetic as time goes on. They can hate the chairman all they want, it's not going to divide fans like the Hughes vitriol because their invective is going to have zero effect on the team, and frankly, the idea that the owners would want to change (a pretty bloody good) chief executive just because some fans don't like him is laughable.


Cook is the Chief Executive Officer not the Chairman, that is Khaldoon. Facts? Nahhh, they are for other people.


Damn....fucking OWNED aren't I

Well done you, sloppy silly factually incorrect me.
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby london blue 2 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:56 pm

Whoever sat in that seat that day was gonna look like a cunt, the press had one thing in mind... make us look like wankers in order to sell stories. I think we need to stick together, we know the good times are round the corner. :)
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Re: Garry Cook [merged]

Postby Wonderwall » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:58 pm

surely its up to City who we let into our press conferences. Why dont we get rid of the idiots who deliberately lie and damage the club? I know the press are part and parcel of the game, but was there really a need to hold a live press conference?
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Re: Why the Cook hatred?

Postby King Kev » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:59 pm

Kippax wrote:
King Kev wrote:
Kippax wrote:The reason why the press, and others high up in footballing circles, hate Gary Cook is exactly the reason why we as fans should appreciate what Cook has done for the club.

He breaks the mould in that he would rather socialise with the fans of the club than have luncheons with the press, and this worries people not least Chief Execs of other football clubs who still see the fans as customers rather than friends.

I could harp on about all the times that I have met Gary and to a point socialised with him, although I wouldn,t go so far to call him a mate, I would definately call him a friend. Got closer to Gary in one season than I ever did to Alistair Mackintosh in all the time he was there. And with the arrival of the new owners came the breaking down of other barriers. I kind of label Gary as an exciteable school kid, he is as excited by what is happening at our club as we are, and although he may well be a Birmingham City fan his loyalties are without doubt fully behind the club. Some of the stuff he came out with regarding the Tevez poster was pure class.

You've only got to look at his walkabouts with fans during last seasons Uefa cup run, and buying of drinks etc, the handling of the fans during the South Africa Tour, and the 5 Star BBQ that was laid on for the fans in Abu Dhabi. How many other clubs Chief Execs would go to such lengths, and how much did you see written in thed press about it, practically bugger all. It was the same during the Banana craze following the fancy dress day at Stoke, there was bugger all in the press about that. You see the press don't like good things happening with the fans in football. Because they believe they have carte blanche to all things good, and they see themselves as vastly superior to football fans, especially working class football fans.

Personally think that he handled the Kaka and Eto deals reasonably well from what I have gleemed since, it was his way of saying we aren't going to be fucked around and believe me people were trying to fuck us about. OK he's made a couple of gaffs, again it was just his little joke that wasn't quite as appropriate as he thought, but we've all made hundreds of those in our life time. Haven't we?

I would just urge people not to make too hasty a judgement on Gary in light of recent events. I try not to judge people without having met them but I appreciate that in the current climate of open media this is difficult. He really is fully behind the best interests of the club.

Keep the faith Blues.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all.

Kippax.

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Would it be fair to say that your view of Cook is slightly clouded because he is your pal?

It's great that he gives those fortunate enough to be able to travel the world free shirts, BBQs, etc but my problem with him is the way he conducts himself in front of the world's press.

Maybe he is very good at other aspects of his job, as you have pointed out he is good with the fans who travel abroad and I am sure this is appreciated by everybody, but I think he needs to hand over the dealing with press to somebody less aggresive in their manner. He is damaging the public's view of our club with his little outbursts.



Tut!Tut! KK.

You are surely better than that, using the word Pal, kind of makes you as bad as the press. I deliberately steered away from using the word mate, and then you come in and call us pals. Tsk! Tsk! But in answer to your question then I suppose my judgement of him is biased, because I have met him and spoken to him on several occasions and to be fair I have to say I like him.

Your second point quite frankly astounds me. At what point did we all suddenly become concerned as to how we are portrayed in the Press, can someone please enlighten me. Quite honestly I don't give a flying fuck how we are portrayed in the press. Ok, granted it's nice to be liked but it's not the end of the world. I want fans to come and follow us because we are Manchester City FC, not because we seem like a pretty decent club and the press really seem to like us, who gives a fuck? Did anyone of us on this board start supporting our bewloved Blues, because they were really well portrayed by the worlds media. For fucks sake get a grip.

So the man shows some emotion, Re the Kaka deal, and saying that Milan bottled it, does anyone think that he used that word without getting some sort of clearance from above. Ok it wasn't footballing etiquette, but it told me as a fan of Manchester City that there was something very very wrong with the negotiations and that the problem lay with Milan. In time you were realise what those problems were and why he said what he did. Same as the Eto deal, he wasn't going to let us get pushed around. If he hadn't said what he did and acted the way he did then we would all be totally in the dark and probably calling him spineless. So the man shows some emotion and isn't willing to let himself or our club get bossed about. Hooray for that I say. I bet there are many a football fan who would like a chief exec who is human.

Maybe he doesn't deal with the media particuarly well, but as long as he is conducting other fantastic deals re sponsorship and shirts etc and acting with the clubs and my best interests at heart then I really don't care if we are a NICE club. and he can continue to speak his mind even if it upsets Gary Linekar.

Kippax.

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Please substitute 'pal' for 'friend' in my post. I thought they were the same thing and wasn't trying to have a dig in any way by saying 'pal'

I do care how the press see us. I pretend that I couldn't care less what they think but, deep down, I would rather read something positive about our club than something negative.

I like that he shows passion, and nearly used the word passionate in my post but opted for aggressive instead as I was trying to point out that, in certain circumstances, it can come across as a negative thing.

As I said above, I am sure Cook is very good in many aspects of his job, I would just rather keep him away from the microphones in future.
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