IF We Finish 6th Do You Think Mancini Should Get the Chop?

[btajim]

I said numerous of occasions that my season expectations were 5th and good push for 4th with a cup run. Don't start making up stuff.

How is your Cup Run doing? Out of the Semi Finals of the Carling Cup in Mancini's debut (getting there was Hughes' work) and out of the FA Cup to the first Premiership side we played after we couldn't finish them off at Home.

Imagine the carnage on here had Hughes been responsible for taking us out of the Cups.

[mcfc1632]

This is starting to remind me of when the 'Hughes Out' campaign begun, but the opposite people defending Mancio. Or am I reading too much into it?

Well after all the questions put to him, NQDP has failed to ever criticize Mancini or any manner of our performances. So he either is loving every minute of what he has seen or he is just over the moon that the last guy is gone, irrespective of how the current guy has us playing.

Anytime you're ready Antti, we're ready to hear what you DON'T like about Mancini?

so far he has done well to get us into contention for fourth spot. Sixth would be bit of a disappointment but yeah, I'd rather be disappointed with Mancini than some rag bastard.

No , so far THEY have done well to get us into contention for fourth spot. The rag bastard and Mancini.

At least you were man enough to tell everyone why you have never ever criticised mancini. I was beginning to think you weren't watching us play at all.

Still, try to be a bit more honest with your assessments of matches. People will be more likely to think the likes of these threads aren't complete bollox if you show a balanced view, instead of blaming everything from Mark Hughes, Spurs super form to Nigel De Jong as to why we probably won't finish fourth when its in our hands; and to why Mancini can in no way be held accountable for us throwing it all away.

Just a thought.

Objective people might think that the 1st derby this season was a more heroic performance- coming back 3 times - showing real fight - eventually being cheated out of it - than the more recent game - but just look at the responses from NQDP in his posts following each game - you are looking a honest / balanced approach - yeah right!

Ooops am I allowed on this thread?

[BobKowalski]

I said numerous of occasions that my season expectations were 5th and good push for 4th with a cup run. Don't start making up stuff.

How is your Cup Run doing? Out of the Semi Finals of the Carling Cup in Mancini's debut (getting there was Hughes' work) and out of the FA Cup to the first Premiership side we played after we couldn't finish them off at Home.

Imagine the carnage on here had Hughes been responsible for taking us out of the Cups.

Don't have to imagine. Just check out when we bombed out of the cups last season :)

Hughes will find a decent berth at West Ham or Newcastle and get them up to anywhere between 7th and 10th with the odd cup run and occasional decent result and everyone can go on about how he is the best potential young British manager until he hits say 60 and reflect on what might have been.

I sometimes think he bolts upright in the middle of the night with the cold sweats screaming "The defence Bowen. I'm telling you we have to sort out the defence!!"

Ah well on small things great matters hinge.

[Kladze]

Hughes is gone.

The king is dead, long live the king.

If most of us can get over Hughes then just maybe Antii can get over his Mancini obsession?

[Original Dub]

I said numerous of occasions that my season expectations were 5th and good push for 4th with a cup run. Don't start making up stuff.

How is your Cup Run doing? Out of the Semi Finals of the Carling Cup in Mancini's debut (getting there was Hughes' work) and out of the FA Cup to the first Premiership side we played after we couldn't finish them off at Home.

Imagine the carnage on here had Hughes been responsible for taking us out of the Cups.

Don't have to imagine. Just check out when we bombed out of the cups last season :)

Hughes will find a decent berth at West Ham or Newcastle and get them up to anywhere between 7th and 10th with the odd cup run and occasional decent result and everyone can go on about how he is the best potential young British manager until he hits say 60 and reflect on what might have been.

I sometimes think he bolts upright in the middle of the night with the cold sweats screaming "The defence Bowen. I'm telling you we have to sort out the defence!!"

Ah well on small things great matters hinge.

Do you think hughes' defence was terrible at Blackburn?

[Beefymcfc]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

[bluej]

Of course he shouldn't go - we need consistency, as most of us have been saying for the last 2 years.

[mcfc1632]

Hughes is gone.

The king is dead, long live the king.

If most of us can get over Hughes then just maybe Antii can get over his Mancini obsession?

I think that you have it the wrong way around - I think that NQDP has a Hughes obsession he can just not let go

There were a few highly vocal Hughes haters that went on and on - after they got what they wanted it is them that have not been able to let it go - this is just another thread (after several others) that seem to be aimed more about those same people reaffirming that they were right

Meanwhile the rest of us are just getting on with supporting CITY (as we were before)

[edge275]

He's doing great points wise, he's young and a proven winner. My only problem with him at the moment is the negative football (at times). I'm not calling for a gung ho approach by any means but a few shots and chances away from home wouldn't go amiss.

[Mark Garrett]

No, I think Mancini should stay. Wanted a top 6 finish this season back in August under Hughes and see no reason to change that target for Mancini as manager.

[BobKowalski]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

1. If Mancini was brought in to get 4th place and he doesn't then he will have failed in that task irrespective of how many points he gets. In that sense Mancini's position will be reviewed and correctly so, after all if you are employed to do something and don't do it then there are consequences.

2. Huge improvement. Mancini can actually coach a team for one thing. Hughes first season was dire and his second season well thank god the owners put the entire regime out of its misery. Personally a loaded revolver and a glass of Scotch should have been left in Hughes office. But then he would have delegated the task to Bowen who would have cocked it up so probably best not. As to Hughes having a decent run well you only have to review the previous 10 games or in fact his entire 18 months at the club to get your answer. Serioulsy if after looking at Hughes record you are willing to cut him a break then in all decency you should do the same to Mancini even if we tank the next three games.

3. If Mancini does tank the next 3 games ie we lose badly then the owners may indeed sack him which is fair enough. Its a tough gig and only the best can hack it and if Mancini cannot hack it then adios.

However I don't think Mancini wil get the push even if we don't get 4th but thats just my opinion and based on nothing more than:

a) He fits into the City corporate structure on such matters as transfer policy
b) He is happy to blood academy players and encourage the youth policy
c) He is capable of coaching a team and utilising staff other than his 'favoured few'
d) Considering his sudden arrival and minimal influence on the shape and makeup of the squad he has got on with it without resorting to a million and one excuses as to why things cannot be done and has sought to do the one thing we were crying out for and that is coach the f**king squad. Like not conceding from corners and for f**Ks sake you have to concentrate for 90+ minutes (it must do Mancini's head in). The training is different and for some obviously difficult with its empahasis on tactics and team shape but we are trying to be amongst the best in the PL and Europe not be a glorified pub side with crazy 3-3 draws every other week.

I just think Mancini (or someone like Mancini) ticks a lot of boxes for the owners in a way that a Rafa or even a Jose does not especially if you consider youth policy or in transfer dealings. Both Rafa and Jose have never been strong in these departments and Rafa let loose with millions doesn't bear thinking about. I actually rate both managers (yes even Rafa) I just think they are the wrong animal for ADUG.

The owners contrary to popular belief do not have a history of rash managerial changes having made only one managerial appointment in their 18 months in charge - in fact they stuck with the incumbent manager and gave Hughes every chance to prove himself despite him not being their man and even after a disappointing first season and not qualifying for Europe. The porn barons took over WHU and started pissing over Zola in the first 5 minutes to barely a word of criticism whereas ADUG backed Hughes to the tune of £200m after a crap season and eventually sacked him after 1 win in 10 to a barrage of media vitriol and much angst and hand wringing from a lot of fans. Anyway the point is that they backed someone who wasn't their guy so why does everyone think they won't back the guy they actually appointed?

This is ADUG's first full season in charge and it has been bloody outstanding. We are pushing for a CL spot with 3 games to go which is unheard of. Irrespective of what I think of Hughes or whatever others think of Mancini the fact remain under their combined stewardship we have reached the point where our destiny is in our hands which for a new squad and one new manager to this bloody country I think is an excellent achievement. If we actually fulfill this destiny then will be an outstanding achievement and credit will go to all concerned - even those I don't rate - and the blame will also be shared if we don't.

So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do and getting depressed because we drew 0-0 away to Arsenal and I stop taking cheap shots at Hughes who has played a big part in this season for better or for worse.

I have no idea why I have gone on a bit of rant here or why I am actually chastising myself but I feel better having typed it :)

[Beefymcfc]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

1. If Mancini was brought in to get 4th place and he doesn't then he will have failed in that task irrespective of how many points he gets. In that sense Mancini's position will be reviewed and correctly so, after all if you are employed to do something and don't do it then there are consequences.

2. Huge improvement. Mancini can actually coach a team for one thing. Hughes first season was dire and his second season well thank god the owners put the entire regime out of its misery. Personally a loaded revolver and a glass of Scotch should have been left in Hughes office. But then he would have delegated the task to Bowen who would have cocked it up so probably best not. As to Hughes having a decent run well you only have to review the previous 10 games or in fact his entire 18 months at the club to get your answer. Serioulsy if after looking at Hughes record you are willing to cut him a break then in all decency you should do the same to Mancini even if we tank the next three games.

3. If Mancini does tank the next 3 games ie we lose badly then the owners may indeed sack him which is fair enough. Its a tough gig and only the best can hack it and if Mancini cannot hack it then adios.

However I don't think Mancini wil get the push even if we don't get 4th but thats just my opinion and based on nothing more than:

a) He fits into the City corporate structure on such matters as transfer policy
b) He is happy to blood academy players and encourage the youth policy
c) He is capable of coaching a team and utilising staff other than his 'favoured few'
d) Considering his sudden arrival and minimal influence on the shape and makeup of the squad he has got on with it without resorting to a million and one excuses as to why things cannot be done and has sought to do the one thing we were crying out for and that is coach the f**king squad. Like not conceding from corners and for f**Ks sake you have to concentrate for 90+ minutes (it must do Mancini's head in). The training is different and for some obviously difficult with its empahasis on tactics and team shape but we are trying to be amongst the best in the PL and Europe not be a glorified pub side with crazy 3-3 draws every other week.

I just think Mancini (or someone like Mancini) ticks a lot of boxes for the owners in a way that a Rafa or even a Jose does not especially if you consider youth policy or in transfer dealings. Both Rafa and Jose have never been strong in these departments and Rafa let loose with millions doesn't bear thinking about. I actually rate both managers (yes even Rafa) I just think they are the wrong animal for ADUG.

The owners contrary to popular belief do not have a history of rash managerial changes having made only one managerial appointment in their 18 months in charge - in fact they stuck with the incumbent manager and gave Hughes every chance to prove himself despite him not being their man and even after a disappointing first season and not qualifying for Europe. The porn barons took over WHU and started pissing over Zola in the first 5 minutes to barely a word of criticism whereas ADUG backed Hughes to the tune of £200m after a crap season and eventually sacked him after 1 win in 10 to a barrage of media vitriol and much angst and hand wringing from a lot of fans. Anyway the point is that they backed someone who wasn't their guy so why does everyone think they won't back the guy they actually appointed?

This is ADUG's first full season in charge and it has been bloody outstanding. We are pushing for a CL spot with 3 games to go which is unheard of. Irrespective of what I think of Hughes or whatever others think of Mancini the fact remain under their combined stewardship we have reached the point where our destiny is in our hands which for a new squad and one new manager to this bloody country I think is an excellent achievement. If we actually fulfill this destiny then will be an outstanding achievement and credit will go to all concerned - even those I don't rate - and the blame will also be shared if we don't.

So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do and getting depressed because we drew 0-0 away to Arsenal and I stop taking cheap shots at Hughes who has played a big part in this season for better or for worse.

I have no idea why I have gone on a bit of rant here or why I am actually chastising myself but I feel better having typed it :)

Thought you couldn't be bothered, and I can't be arsed reading it!

Only joking and I actually agree with you on nearly all your points and feel that Mancio will be here next season, I was however playing Devil's Advocate and pointing out the reality in the sacking of Hughsey and the replacement with Mancio. The only thing i will point out is that when Mancio took over, the Trajectory did not stipulate fourth so if he did attain 70 points but not fourth, then the club would've looked foolish sacking him. I personally believe that Mancio will be here regardless, but if he fails to get the best out of the lads for the last 3, then circumstances may change.

[zuricity]

Bob Kowalski aside.

What an absolutely stupid thread, at the stupidest of times.

[Beefymcfc]

Bob Kowalski aside.

What an absolutely stupid thread, at the stupidest of times.

Agreed, but it keeps us off the streets!

[BobKowalski]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

1. If Mancini was brought in to get 4th place and he doesn't then he will have failed in that task irrespective of how many points he gets. In that sense Mancini's position will be reviewed and correctly so, after all if you are employed to do something and don't do it then there are consequences.

2. Huge improvement. Mancini can actually coach a team for one thing. Hughes first season was dire and his second season well thank god the owners put the entire regime out of its misery. Personally a loaded revolver and a glass of Scotch should have been left in Hughes office. But then he would have delegated the task to Bowen who would have cocked it up so probably best not. As to Hughes having a decent run well you only have to review the previous 10 games or in fact his entire 18 months at the club to get your answer. Serioulsy if after looking at Hughes record you are willing to cut him a break then in all decency you should do the same to Mancini even if we tank the next three games.

3. If Mancini does tank the next 3 games ie we lose badly then the owners may indeed sack him which is fair enough. Its a tough gig and only the best can hack it and if Mancini cannot hack it then adios.

However I don't think Mancini wil get the push even if we don't get 4th but thats just my opinion and based on nothing more than:

a) He fits into the City corporate structure on such matters as transfer policy
b) He is happy to blood academy players and encourage the youth policy
c) He is capable of coaching a team and utilising staff other than his 'favoured few'
d) Considering his sudden arrival and minimal influence on the shape and makeup of the squad he has got on with it without resorting to a million and one excuses as to why things cannot be done and has sought to do the one thing we were crying out for and that is coach the f**king squad. Like not conceding from corners and for f**Ks sake you have to concentrate for 90+ minutes (it must do Mancini's head in). The training is different and for some obviously difficult with its empahasis on tactics and team shape but we are trying to be amongst the best in the PL and Europe not be a glorified pub side with crazy 3-3 draws every other week.

I just think Mancini (or someone like Mancini) ticks a lot of boxes for the owners in a way that a Rafa or even a Jose does not especially if you consider youth policy or in transfer dealings. Both Rafa and Jose have never been strong in these departments and Rafa let loose with millions doesn't bear thinking about. I actually rate both managers (yes even Rafa) I just think they are the wrong animal for ADUG.

The owners contrary to popular belief do not have a history of rash managerial changes having made only one managerial appointment in their 18 months in charge - in fact they stuck with the incumbent manager and gave Hughes every chance to prove himself despite him not being their man and even after a disappointing first season and not qualifying for Europe. The porn barons took over WHU and started pissing over Zola in the first 5 minutes to barely a word of criticism whereas ADUG backed Hughes to the tune of £200m after a crap season and eventually sacked him after 1 win in 10 to a barrage of media vitriol and much angst and hand wringing from a lot of fans. Anyway the point is that they backed someone who wasn't their guy so why does everyone think they won't back the guy they actually appointed?

This is ADUG's first full season in charge and it has been bloody outstanding. We are pushing for a CL spot with 3 games to go which is unheard of. Irrespective of what I think of Hughes or whatever others think of Mancini the fact remain under their combined stewardship we have reached the point where our destiny is in our hands which for a new squad and one new manager to this bloody country I think is an excellent achievement. If we actually fulfill this destiny then will be an outstanding achievement and credit will go to all concerned - even those I don't rate - and the blame will also be shared if we don't.

So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do and getting depressed because we drew 0-0 away to Arsenal and I stop taking cheap shots at Hughes who has played a big part in this season for better or for worse.

I have no idea why I have gone on a bit of rant here or why I am actually chastising myself but I feel better having typed it :)

Thought you couldn't be bothered, and I can't be arsed reading it!

Ah but you replied...so....

...well so something. Not entirely sure what but I'm aiming in the area of 'moral victory' :)

[Beefymcfc]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

1. If Mancini was brought in to get 4th place and he doesn't then he will have failed in that task irrespective of how many points he gets. In that sense Mancini's position will be reviewed and correctly so, after all if you are employed to do something and don't do it then there are consequences.

2. Huge improvement. Mancini can actually coach a team for one thing. Hughes first season was dire and his second season well thank god the owners put the entire regime out of its misery. Personally a loaded revolver and a glass of Scotch should have been left in Hughes office. But then he would have delegated the task to Bowen who would have cocked it up so probably best not. As to Hughes having a decent run well you only have to review the previous 10 games or in fact his entire 18 months at the club to get your answer. Serioulsy if after looking at Hughes record you are willing to cut him a break then in all decency you should do the same to Mancini even if we tank the next three games.

3. If Mancini does tank the next 3 games ie we lose badly then the owners may indeed sack him which is fair enough. Its a tough gig and only the best can hack it and if Mancini cannot hack it then adios.

However I don't think Mancini wil get the push even if we don't get 4th but thats just my opinion and based on nothing more than:

a) He fits into the City corporate structure on such matters as transfer policy
b) He is happy to blood academy players and encourage the youth policy
c) He is capable of coaching a team and utilising staff other than his 'favoured few'
d) Considering his sudden arrival and minimal influence on the shape and makeup of the squad he has got on with it without resorting to a million and one excuses as to why things cannot be done and has sought to do the one thing we were crying out for and that is coach the f**king squad. Like not conceding from corners and for f**Ks sake you have to concentrate for 90+ minutes (it must do Mancini's head in). The training is different and for some obviously difficult with its empahasis on tactics and team shape but we are trying to be amongst the best in the PL and Europe not be a glorified pub side with crazy 3-3 draws every other week.

I just think Mancini (or someone like Mancini) ticks a lot of boxes for the owners in a way that a Rafa or even a Jose does not especially if you consider youth policy or in transfer dealings. Both Rafa and Jose have never been strong in these departments and Rafa let loose with millions doesn't bear thinking about. I actually rate both managers (yes even Rafa) I just think they are the wrong animal for ADUG.

The owners contrary to popular belief do not have a history of rash managerial changes having made only one managerial appointment in their 18 months in charge - in fact they stuck with the incumbent manager and gave Hughes every chance to prove himself despite him not being their man and even after a disappointing first season and not qualifying for Europe. The porn barons took over WHU and started pissing over Zola in the first 5 minutes to barely a word of criticism whereas ADUG backed Hughes to the tune of £200m after a crap season and eventually sacked him after 1 win in 10 to a barrage of media vitriol and much angst and hand wringing from a lot of fans. Anyway the point is that they backed someone who wasn't their guy so why does everyone think they won't back the guy they actually appointed?

This is ADUG's first full season in charge and it has been bloody outstanding. We are pushing for a CL spot with 3 games to go which is unheard of. Irrespective of what I think of Hughes or whatever others think of Mancini the fact remain under their combined stewardship we have reached the point where our destiny is in our hands which for a new squad and one new manager to this bloody country I think is an excellent achievement. If we actually fulfill this destiny then will be an outstanding achievement and credit will go to all concerned - even those I don't rate - and the blame will also be shared if we don't.

So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do and getting depressed because we drew 0-0 away to Arsenal and I stop taking cheap shots at Hughes who has played a big part in this season for better or for worse.

I have no idea why I have gone on a bit of rant here or why I am actually chastising myself but I feel better having typed it :)

Thought you couldn't be bothered, and I can't be arsed reading it!

Ah but you replied...so....

...well so something. Not entirely sure what but I'm aiming in the area of 'moral victory' :)

Check the post before that, you replied to my reply to early sunshine, look again........draws a point in the air ;-)

[BobKowalski]

I said numerous of occasions that my season expectations were 5th and good push for 4th with a cup run. Don't start making up stuff.

How is your Cup Run doing? Out of the Semi Finals of the Carling Cup in Mancini's debut (getting there was Hughes' work) and out of the FA Cup to the first Premiership side we played after we couldn't finish them off at Home.

Imagine the carnage on here had Hughes been responsible for taking us out of the Cups.

Don't have to imagine. Just check out when we bombed out of the cups last season :)

Hughes will find a decent berth at West Ham or Newcastle and get them up to anywhere between 7th and 10th with the odd cup run and occasional decent result and everyone can go on about how he is the best potential young British manager until he hits say 60 and reflect on what might have been.

I sometimes think he bolts upright in the middle of the night with the cold sweats screaming "The defence Bowen. I'm telling you we have to sort out the defence!!"

Ah well on small things great matters hinge.

Do you think hughes' defence was terrible at Blackburn?

Would not have a clue but I am sure his defence at Blackburn was fine. Top notch. The best...

"Its the defence Bowen I'm telling you..WE..MUST..FIX..DEFENCE!!!"
"Done Boss"
Cue heaving dry sobbing "Really? Please...please don't toy with me...its...its all fixed now?"
"Sure is Boss. Fence is now up all round the training pitch. Big green thing. The fence is fixed...boss?...Boss you ok?"

Tell me you saw this one coming

[BobKowalski]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

1. If Mancini was brought in to get 4th place and he doesn't then he will have failed in that task irrespective of how many points he gets. In that sense Mancini's position will be reviewed and correctly so, after all if you are employed to do something and don't do it then there are consequences.

2. Huge improvement. Mancini can actually coach a team for one thing. Hughes first season was dire and his second season well thank god the owners put the entire regime out of its misery. Personally a loaded revolver and a glass of Scotch should have been left in Hughes office. But then he would have delegated the task to Bowen who would have cocked it up so probably best not. As to Hughes having a decent run well you only have to review the previous 10 games or in fact his entire 18 months at the club to get your answer. Serioulsy if after looking at Hughes record you are willing to cut him a break then in all decency you should do the same to Mancini even if we tank the next three games.

3. If Mancini does tank the next 3 games ie we lose badly then the owners may indeed sack him which is fair enough. Its a tough gig and only the best can hack it and if Mancini cannot hack it then adios.

However I don't think Mancini wil get the push even if we don't get 4th but thats just my opinion and based on nothing more than:

a) He fits into the City corporate structure on such matters as transfer policy
b) He is happy to blood academy players and encourage the youth policy
c) He is capable of coaching a team and utilising staff other than his 'favoured few'
d) Considering his sudden arrival and minimal influence on the shape and makeup of the squad he has got on with it without resorting to a million and one excuses as to why things cannot be done and has sought to do the one thing we were crying out for and that is coach the f**king squad. Like not conceding from corners and for f**Ks sake you have to concentrate for 90+ minutes (it must do Mancini's head in). The training is different and for some obviously difficult with its empahasis on tactics and team shape but we are trying to be amongst the best in the PL and Europe not be a glorified pub side with crazy 3-3 draws every other week.

I just think Mancini (or someone like Mancini) ticks a lot of boxes for the owners in a way that a Rafa or even a Jose does not especially if you consider youth policy or in transfer dealings. Both Rafa and Jose have never been strong in these departments and Rafa let loose with millions doesn't bear thinking about. I actually rate both managers (yes even Rafa) I just think they are the wrong animal for ADUG.

The owners contrary to popular belief do not have a history of rash managerial changes having made only one managerial appointment in their 18 months in charge - in fact they stuck with the incumbent manager and gave Hughes every chance to prove himself despite him not being their man and even after a disappointing first season and not qualifying for Europe. The porn barons took over WHU and started pissing over Zola in the first 5 minutes to barely a word of criticism whereas ADUG backed Hughes to the tune of £200m after a crap season and eventually sacked him after 1 win in 10 to a barrage of media vitriol and much angst and hand wringing from a lot of fans. Anyway the point is that they backed someone who wasn't their guy so why does everyone think they won't back the guy they actually appointed?

This is ADUG's first full season in charge and it has been bloody outstanding. We are pushing for a CL spot with 3 games to go which is unheard of. Irrespective of what I think of Hughes or whatever others think of Mancini the fact remain under their combined stewardship we have reached the point where our destiny is in our hands which for a new squad and one new manager to this bloody country I think is an excellent achievement. If we actually fulfill this destiny then will be an outstanding achievement and credit will go to all concerned - even those I don't rate - and the blame will also be shared if we don't.

So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do and getting depressed because we drew 0-0 away to Arsenal and I stop taking cheap shots at Hughes who has played a big part in this season for better or for worse.

I have no idea why I have gone on a bit of rant here or why I am actually chastising myself but I feel better having typed it :)

Thought you couldn't be bothered, and I can't be arsed reading it!

Ah but you replied...so....

...well so something. Not entirely sure what but I'm aiming in the area of 'moral victory' :)

Check the post before that, you replied to my reply to early sunshine, look again........draws a point in the air ;-)

You utter, utter bastard

[mcfc1632]

"So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do............."


...but Bob - most of us are - who started this thread - the Hughes thread and several others?? - not anyone criticising our manager -

You suggest that you just let it go re Hughes - good job - hope others can do the same and we can all get on with supporting CITY at a very important time

[BobKowalski]

I think the question should be 'If Mancini fails to get Champions League?', because after giving it a little thought, there a few questions that spring to mind.

1. He was brought in because the 'Trajectory of Points' didn't match the clubs expectations, and if we all believe that 70 points is the magic number, then he has failed.

2. Has he actually proved more capable than Hughes? Think about it, we have heard similar things regarding training and atmosphere, as well as some quite dire performances. We have done better defensively but lost out in the attacking areas. And who says that a team led by Hughes couldn't have had a very decent run in those 10 winnable games when Mancio took over?

3. And the biggest question for me personally is the next 3 games. If Mancio cannot lead a team who should not need any motivation at all (the Champions League is motivation enough), into these 3 games needing to win, and not achieve that, then should we be looking at him to lead the club forward?

If he answers Q1 and 3 positively in the next 3 games, then long may he reign. However if he doesn't, and we're out of it by time the Spuds game finishes, then he's put himself in the same boat as Hughes; don't you think?

PS. COME ON MANCINI, COME ON CITY!!!

1. If Mancini was brought in to get 4th place and he doesn't then he will have failed in that task irrespective of how many points he gets. In that sense Mancini's position will be reviewed and correctly so, after all if you are employed to do something and don't do it then there are consequences.

2. Huge improvement. Mancini can actually coach a team for one thing. Hughes first season was dire and his second season well thank god the owners put the entire regime out of its misery. Personally a loaded revolver and a glass of Scotch should have been left in Hughes office. But then he would have delegated the task to Bowen who would have cocked it up so probably best not. As to Hughes having a decent run well you only have to review the previous 10 games or in fact his entire 18 months at the club to get your answer. Serioulsy if after looking at Hughes record you are willing to cut him a break then in all decency you should do the same to Mancini even if we tank the next three games.

3. If Mancini does tank the next 3 games ie we lose badly then the owners may indeed sack him which is fair enough. Its a tough gig and only the best can hack it and if Mancini cannot hack it then adios.

However I don't think Mancini wil get the push even if we don't get 4th but thats just my opinion and based on nothing more than:

a) He fits into the City corporate structure on such matters as transfer policy
b) He is happy to blood academy players and encourage the youth policy
c) He is capable of coaching a team and utilising staff other than his 'favoured few'
d) Considering his sudden arrival and minimal influence on the shape and makeup of the squad he has got on with it without resorting to a million and one excuses as to why things cannot be done and has sought to do the one thing we were crying out for and that is coach the f**king squad. Like not conceding from corners and for f**Ks sake you have to concentrate for 90+ minutes (it must do Mancini's head in). The training is different and for some obviously difficult with its empahasis on tactics and team shape but we are trying to be amongst the best in the PL and Europe not be a glorified pub side with crazy 3-3 draws every other week.

I just think Mancini (or someone like Mancini) ticks a lot of boxes for the owners in a way that a Rafa or even a Jose does not especially if you consider youth policy or in transfer dealings. Both Rafa and Jose have never been strong in these departments and Rafa let loose with millions doesn't bear thinking about. I actually rate both managers (yes even Rafa) I just think they are the wrong animal for ADUG.

The owners contrary to popular belief do not have a history of rash managerial changes having made only one managerial appointment in their 18 months in charge - in fact they stuck with the incumbent manager and gave Hughes every chance to prove himself despite him not being their man and even after a disappointing first season and not qualifying for Europe. The porn barons took over WHU and started pissing over Zola in the first 5 minutes to barely a word of criticism whereas ADUG backed Hughes to the tune of £200m after a crap season and eventually sacked him after 1 win in 10 to a barrage of media vitriol and much angst and hand wringing from a lot of fans. Anyway the point is that they backed someone who wasn't their guy so why does everyone think they won't back the guy they actually appointed?

This is ADUG's first full season in charge and it has been bloody outstanding. We are pushing for a CL spot with 3 games to go which is unheard of. Irrespective of what I think of Hughes or whatever others think of Mancini the fact remain under their combined stewardship we have reached the point where our destiny is in our hands which for a new squad and one new manager to this bloody country I think is an excellent achievement. If we actually fulfill this destiny then will be an outstanding achievement and credit will go to all concerned - even those I don't rate - and the blame will also be shared if we don't.

So how about we enjoy the ride instead of trying tp pick holes in every little thing that Mancini does or doesn't do and getting depressed because we drew 0-0 away to Arsenal and I stop taking cheap shots at Hughes who has played a big part in this season for better or for worse.

I personally believe that Mancio will be here regardless, but if he fails to get the best out of the lads for the last 3, then circumstances may change.

Wise words and very true