criag bellamy

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I can see Bellamy coming out and saying that to a fan. The guy is always open and honest with his feelings.
The bit about Cook and Marwood, REALLY HURTS though. I thought our executives valued Bellamy.
He's my favorite player on our squad and, despite his frequent outbursts, gives us everything he's got.
Like Dunney, he may not be exciting, but he's the 'hustling everyman,' type of player. I didn't like it when
we lost Dunne, and I won't like it if we lose Bellers!!

Cook values nothing other than money and self-glorification. He is even managing to convince some City fans that he cares about them. Wrong. He cares about their wallets, bank accounts and credit cards. Welsh internationals don't bring in as much money or publicity as Brazilian ones.

Absolutamente.

Whether that's good or bad for the Club is another matter but please don't fool yourselves into thinking that he is a football man. He isn't. He is a slimy marketing exec

He's running a multi million pound company.....what do you want him to be? A bloody local charity co-ordinator? Ex-public servant?

Get real lads FFS.

like I said, whether that is good or bad for the Club is whole another discussion. Maybe ruthless approach is what we have been lacking for years. However football man he ain't and he isn't interested about supporters as anything else than 'consumers' and players and management staff as 'essential part of the product'.

[ant london]

However football man he ain't and he isn't interested about supporters as anything else than 'consumers' and players and management staff as 'essential part of the product'.

I don't disagree with the that fundamentally.....although maybe the picture you paint is excessively black and white.

He certainly is a "sports industry" guy....and the industry part is key there. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to see things more rationally than we, as fans do. However, if we take that back to topic, I do agree that him not being a "football man" could lead to some situations (ie Bellamy) being mis-managed if there is an inadequate understanding of the footballing side and all the intangibles involved when putting together a pro/con case together for someone like Craig Bellamy.

I don't want us to become another Manchester United plc type operation but I actually don't think that is where the owners or senior management are taking us.

Sure it will become a bit more detached and clinical and "product"-like as we move forward but we, as fans, have to accept that there is a big trade off. It can be all nice and cosey and we win fuck all and stay in our "rightful place" as national figures of fun....OR.....we have to become significantly more corporate and we really might have a chance of seeing a very successful City. I don't think, unfortunately, that there is a happy medium. Actually, there is, that is somewhere like Fulham or Villa....I'm happy to make the sacrifice of a little bit of soul to be honest.

[mcfc1632]

Back to Bellamy - if he is not at the club next month I would see this as a direct consequence of the 25 man rule and the need for the manager to select a 25 man squad which will put pressure on all players that are either fringe in terms of capability or participation (like Craig).

Mancini will make that decision based on the rest of the balance of his squad - I cannot but think that Mancini would wish to have the option of Craig on the bench as an impact player if there were no restrictions. Once Mancini has made his decision - the management team will be left to handle the consequences - be it Weiss, Bellamy, RSC etc - and of course fans will be on their back is they do not achieve the right value etc - even though they will be trying to offload in an environment where the buyers know we are 'stuck' with these players.

The commercial team will be doing the mopping up - not deciding who is in Mancini's 25

Edited to say:

Just a thought - if he was leaving he would have probably been bought on for a cameo so the fans and him could say goodbye? - and if not that says more about the player management side rather than the execs

[zuricity]

Now 'arry's gone and NOT told us that he would like Bellamy !

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6301405,00.html

Wait until after Saturday 'arry !

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Now 'arry's gone and NOT told us that he would like Bellamy !

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6301405,00.html

Wait until after Saturday 'arry !

If Bellamy goes it's because Mancini doesn't want him. Surely it's as simple as that and however it might get painted I cannot see it any other way. Turn it around , if Mancini wants to have Bellamy in the 25 don't you think he would get what he wants? I would be really worried if Mancini wanted him and didn't get to keep him.

[Whassat]

Now 'arry's gone and NOT told us that he would like Bellamy !

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6301405,00.html

Wait until after Saturday 'arry !

If Bellamy goes it's because Mancini doesn't want him. Surely it's as simple as that and however it might get painted I cannot see it any other way. Turn it around , if Mancini wants to have Bellamy in the 25 don't you think he would get what he wants? I would be really worried if Mancini wanted him and didn't get to keep him.

Indeed.

Quality player. I really didn't think much of him before he came to City, but what a quality player. His mental strengths are insane.

[carolina-blue]

I have said on another thread Losing Bellamy would be madness You can have all the talent in the world but you win nowt without passion & pride and he has them both *innabundence ? ,.... And we dont even need to be picking up the phone from Shitehart lane ffs . And as for Cookie we need to get behind the guy, everybody from Kippax To Doomy who's met him says he deffo has the club at heart .

[Beefymcfc]

Wait a minute, who's Criag Bellamy? We've been had-off!

[Grob]

Maybe ruthless approach is what we have been lacking for years. However football man he ain't and he isn't interested about supporters as anything else than 'consumers' and players and management staff as 'essential part of the product'.

I wouldnt say ruthless, i'd say direct and ambitious.

The last time we had a football man run the business we ended up in Division 2.

Cook of course needs the club to generate income from its customers. Its not just fans though. I bet we have some of the richest sponsership deals in world football.

The club gives alot to its fans, the training day on Friday, the fantastic website, buying lots of top quality players etc.

Its give and take but i feel we as fans are given more than is taken away from us. I used to pay 4-500 pounds a season to watch Joey Barton be our playmaker.

[DoomMerchant]

I find it really hard to believe Bellamy would come out with that to a fan. He might be well known for airing his views but he's not stupid either. Personally I don't think he's going anywhere- he's a huge asset to us, we know it, he knows it, Mancini knows it.

word for word what I was going to write. Even IF such thing would occure inside the club I would find it very hard to believe he would go and say stuff like that to supporters.

I don't like either Marwood or Cook and still believe Marwood's appointment was stupid move but surely he wouldn't be stupid enough to start civil war with Mancini, who clearly rates Bellamy, over a player who'll stay here maybe season or two anyway.

One thing though is how hard Marwood and Cook are going to push for Robinho to be reinstated. Mancini clearlo don't like Robinho or want him but Cook only thinks about saving his own face.

i can fuclin assure you that if Cook wants Bellers gone it's because Mancini wants him gone, end of. Same for Ireland.

AND to make it more complex neither of them will leave unless they WANT to leave. i know that, cuz...he fuclin TOLD me that. And i believed him.

How's that sit with you? Your constant slagging off of Cook is actually kinda sad tbh. I think he's a really good thing for the club, and you keep finding ways to ridicule him and basically bash him just like the media wants to do. You are, in effect, doing the same thing they are. We hardly disagree on things in all walks of life, but here you are dead wrong i think bro. He may have some warts but Cook has the best interests of this club and our fans at heart. And i think he feels the same about Marwood. He may come off like a tool sometimes, but he's our tool...and i'm pretty ok with that.

cheers

[DoomMerchant]

I find it really hard to believe Bellamy would come out with that to a fan. He might be well known for airing his views but he's not stupid either. Personally I don't think he's going anywhere- he's a huge asset to us, we know it, he knows it, Mancini knows it.

word for word what I was going to write. Even IF such thing would occure inside the club I would find it very hard to believe he would go and say stuff like that to supporters.

I don't like either Marwood or Cook and still believe Marwood's appointment was stupid move but surely he wouldn't be stupid enough to start civil war with Mancini, who clearly rates Bellamy, over a player who'll stay here maybe season or two anyway.

One thing though is how hard Marwood and Cook are going to push for Robinho to be reinstated. Mancini clearlo don't like Robinho or want him but Cook only thinks about saving his own face.

i can fuclin assure you that if Cook wants Bellers gone it's because Mancini wants him gone, end of. Same for Ireland.

AND to make it more complex neither of them will leave unless they WANT to leave. i know that, cuz...he fuclin TOLD me that. And i believed him.

How's that sit with you? Your constant slagging off of Cook is actually kinda sad tbh. I think he's a really good thing for the club, and you keep finding ways to ridicule him and basically bash him just like the media wants to do. You are, in effect, doing the same thing they are. We hardly disagree on things in all walks of life, but here you are dead wrong i think bro. He may have some warts but Cook has the best interests of this club and our fans at heart. And i think he feels the same about Marwood. He may come off like a tool sometimes, but he's our tool...and i'm pretty ok with that.

cheers

also, before i head to bed, and before i forget...one more word:

World. Sauna. Championships.

WTF. You've all lost your reindeer-munching minds. ;)

cheers again

[mcfc1632]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

[Colin the King]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

[DoomMerchant]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

if he was slovenly and impersonal you'd somehow appreciate what he's doing more? Rarely could i say you seem immature, but this is one time when you do...it's his job to convince you it's all about you, because ultimately, it is. And i think he believes that.

i've said my piece on the topic of him, i'll drop it now, but i just don't think he's someone who deserves vilification.i love open criticism and a debate ,so lemme hear something dispassionate and unemotional about Cook's performance other than that he's a "vulture" and apparently a smart dresser.

cheers

[Beefymcfc]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

if he was slovenly and impersonal you'd somehow appreciate what he's doing more? Rarely could i say you seem immature, but this is one time when you do...it's his job to convince you it's all about you, because ultimately, it is. And i think he believes that.

i've said my piece on the topic of him, i'll drop it now, but i just don't think he's someone who deserves vilification.i love open criticism and a debate ,so lemme hear something dispassionate and unemotional about Cook's performance other than that he's a "vulture" and apparently a smart dresser.

cheers

Did you and Cookie pop down to Vegas while he was there; I wanna see the photo's?

Cheers ;-)

[DoomMerchant]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

if he was slovenly and impersonal you'd somehow appreciate what he's doing more? Rarely could i say you seem immature, but this is one time when you do...it's his job to convince you it's all about you, because ultimately, it is. And i think he believes that.

i've said my piece on the topic of him, i'll drop it now, but i just don't think he's someone who deserves vilification.i love open criticism and a debate ,so lemme hear something dispassionate and unemotional about Cook's performance other than that he's a "vulture" and apparently a smart dresser.

cheers

Did you and Cookie pop down to Vegas while he was there; I wanna see the photo's?

Cheers ;-)

i could easily see him getting some lapdances at the Rhino with my crew. I think he'd bankroll the champagne room for a group of Blues. Nuff sed.

cheers

[Colin the King]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

if he was slovenly and impersonal you'd somehow appreciate what he's doing more? Rarely could i say you seem immature, but this is one time when you do...it's his job to convince you it's all about you, because ultimately, it is. And i think he believes that.

i've said my piece on the topic of him, i'll drop it now, but i just don't think he's someone who deserves vilification.i love open criticism and a debate ,so lemme hear something dispassionate and unemotional about Cook's performance other than that he's a "vulture" and apparently a smart dresser.

cheers

I can't be dispassionate because it's an irrational hatred. Everyone's entitled to one.

Niall- Lahm
Vhero- Ireland
Kev- Isaksson
IBH- Richards
Sweeny- Given
Me- Cook

I'm willing to be open and rational, and discuss at length any topic- except Garry Cook. The cunt.

[DoomMerchant]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

if he was slovenly and impersonal you'd somehow appreciate what he's doing more? Rarely could i say you seem immature, but this is one time when you do...it's his job to convince you it's all about you, because ultimately, it is. And i think he believes that.

i've said my piece on the topic of him, i'll drop it now, but i just don't think he's someone who deserves vilification.i love open criticism and a debate ,so lemme hear something dispassionate and unemotional about Cook's performance other than that he's a "vulture" and apparently a smart dresser.

cheers

I can't be dispassionate because it's an irrational hatred. Everyone's entitled to one.

Niall- Lahm
Vhero- Ireland
Kev- Isaksson
IBH- Richards
Sweeny- Given
Me- Cook

I'm willing to be open and rational, and discuss at length any topic- except Garry Cook. The cunt.

fair enough...you know i love you, and why have you taken down diabolical crustcore? answer please.

cheers

[Colin the King]

Good post - as I mentioned earlier - this board should really go off the direct experience of respected members that have met him rather than the poisonous comments of an agenda ridden media and we should get behind our people - I know that you were very clear of his commitment to the club after meeting him - and I would take that over some Sunday Supplement toad every fucking day

I encountered him over in Germany the night we played Schalke, he couldn't have been nicer, engaging with fans, smiling, having his picture taken, buying drinks- it doesn't change how I feel about him as a person. He's in his position because he's good at convincing people that it's all about them, 'supporter experience', 'heart of the city' etc. He may well be one of the best executives in the world, but he's a vulturous individual and no amount of posturing and filling people with exactly what they want (and what he knows you want) to hear can change that. We're moving forward and becoming successful, great, but I can't attribute any thanks to Cook. Harsh, perhaps. Unreasonable, probably. I don't care. I just despise him and everything his smartly dressed ilk are made of.

if he was slovenly and impersonal you'd somehow appreciate what he's doing more? Rarely could i say you seem immature, but this is one time when you do...it's his job to convince you it's all about you, because ultimately, it is. And i think he believes that.

i've said my piece on the topic of him, i'll drop it now, but i just don't think he's someone who deserves vilification.i love open criticism and a debate ,so lemme hear something dispassionate and unemotional about Cook's performance other than that he's a "vulture" and apparently a smart dresser.

cheers

I can't be dispassionate because it's an irrational hatred. Everyone's entitled to one.

Niall- Lahm
Vhero- Ireland
Kev- Isaksson
IBH- Richards
Sweeny- Given
Me- Cook

I'm willing to be open and rational, and discuss at length any topic- except Garry Cook. The cunt.

fair enough...you know i love you, and why have you taken down diabolical crustcore? answer please.

cheers

Primarily...because it's diabolical crustcore. It was always a speedy operation, get the listen in, and then bin it forever. Putrid filth. Actually it makes me more angry than Garry Cook.

[DoomMerchant]

Primarily...because it's diabolical crustcore. It was always a speedy operation, get the listen in, and then bin it forever. Putrid filth. Actually it makes me more angry than Garry Cook.

meh...put it back up. i'm on my 2nd whisky and need to hear it again.

BTW just for the record Makers 46 is a fantastic new taste if you like Kentucky Bourbon and not that fancy scottish shit you guys are prone to.

just sayin

cheers