Clattenburg

[Nick]

Old habits die hard for me...and being a biased blue and the environment I'm in certainly affects my opinion, both at the time and after.

Sat at home in my armchair, either on my own or with other trusted Blues....PROBABLY A GOOD DECISION.
In the pub after being at the game, with trusted Blues...QUIETLY...PROBABLY A GOOD DECISION.
In a pub during or after the game, surrounded by rags...LOUDLY...THE REF IS A BENT BASTARD AND NEVILLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT OFF.
At the groung in real time...AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE...THE REF IS A BENT BASTARD AND EVERY ARSENAL TACKLE FROM THEN ON IS A SENDING OFF OFFENCE.

It's just the way it flops around my head.

Spot on, but i have to say regardless of the two big decisions, everything else went against us and you'd have to be a bitter united fan to not admit that (I recieved a text at the match from one stating we had got EVERY decision our way!!). Barry got booked for no reason, as did another one of ours. Denilson should have been sent off, possibly Song too. And thats just for starters.

[Alioune DVToure]

Old habits die hard for me...and being a biased blue and the environment I'm in certainly affects my opinion, both at the time and after.

Sat at home in my armchair, either on my own or with other trusted Blues....PROBABLY A GOOD DECISION.
In the pub after being at the game, with trusted Blues...QUIETLY...PROBABLY A GOOD DECISION.
In a pub during or after the game, surrounded by rags...LOUDLY...THE REF IS A BENT BASTARD AND NEVILLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT OFF.
At the groung in real time...AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE...THE REF IS A BENT BASTARD AND EVERY ARSENAL TACKLE FROM THEN ON IS A SENDING OFF OFFENCE.

It's just the way it flops around my head.

Spot on, but i have to say regardless of the two big decisions, everything else went against us and you'd have to be a bitter united fan to not admit that (I recieved a text at the match from one stating we had got EVERY decision our way!!). Barry got booked for no reason, as did another one of ours. Denilson should have been sent off, possibly Song too. And thats just for starters.

No you wouldn't. Why do people insist on coming out with this sort of stuff? Being a realist isn't being less of a fan. I'll give the ref grief even if I know I'm wrong just to add pressure, but about 5 seconds later I'll admit that I was wrong. We don't have to all agree, and I don't believe that the ref had anything to do with the defeat yesterday.

Clattenburg is a cock though.

[Ted Hughes]

The rule is, that in order for it to be a red card offence, Chamakh would have to be sure to be getting to the ball before Joe Hart. All the other stuff means nothing. Many pundits are adding or subtracting bits of rules that don't exist. The FACT is that unless Chamakh was going to get that ball 1st, it's not a red card. Those are the rules, not just 'last man' etc, it has to be that Chamakh was denied a 'CLEAR goalscoring opportunity'. That is what the ref is supposed to base his decision on, not just a foul by the last man. How can you have a clear goalscoring opportunity unless you have the ball ?

Are any of you honestly, absolutely certain that Chamakh was going to get to the ball 1st?

[Beefymcfc]

The rule is, that in order for it to be a red card offence, Chamakh would have to be sure to be getting to the ball before Joe Hart. All the other stuff means nothing. Many pundits are adding or subtracting bits of rules that don't exist. The FACT is that unless Chamakh was going to get that ball 1st, it's not a red card. Those are the rules, not just 'last man' etc, it has to be that Chamakh was denied a 'CLEAR goalscoring opportunity'. That is what the ref is supposed to base his decision on, not just a foul by the last man. How can you have a clear goalscoring opportunity unless you have the ball ?

Are any of you honestly, absolutely certain that Chamakh was going to get to the ball 1st?

Give it up mate, regardless of the actual rule Clattenburg got it right because everyone says so, and Dedryk is OK as well because he is young and will learn. Mancio was obviously right for playing him too, ahead of the 2 experienced Internationals we had to choose from.

All-in-all, no mistakes made and a good weekend had by all; beautiful.

[CityFanFromRome]

Correct me if I am wrong, But I always thought that it was a red card only if a "Clear Goalscoring Opportunity" is denied. Dedders tackle was outside the box which in my eyes does NOT make it a clear goalscoring opportunity. I'm certain that there is no particular rule for a sending off when you're the last man. Unless you have denied the above.

What does it matter if he's into the box or not? Once he had gone past him Chamakh would have had only the keeper to beat, more clear goalscoring chance than that...

The only question is if he would have reached the ball before Hart, which I think he would, so it makes Boyata's challenge one that denies a clear goalscoring opportunity, sadly.

[Ted Hughes]

The rule is, that in order for it to be a red card offence, Chamakh would have to be sure to be getting to the ball before Joe Hart. All the other stuff means nothing. Many pundits are adding or subtracting bits of rules that don't exist. The FACT is that unless Chamakh was going to get that ball 1st, it's not a red card. Those are the rules, not just 'last man' etc, it has to be that Chamakh was denied a 'CLEAR goalscoring opportunity'. That is what the ref is supposed to base his decision on, not just a foul by the last man. How can you have a clear goalscoring opportunity unless you have the ball ?

Are any of you honestly, absolutely certain that Chamakh was going to get to the ball 1st?

Give it up mate, regardless of the actual rule Clattenburg got it right because everyone says so, and Dedryk is OK as well because he is young and will learn. Mancio was obviously right for playing him too, ahead of the 2 experienced Internationals we had to choose from.

All-in-all, no mistakes made and a good weekend had by all; beautiful.

It's about time that the fuckers who get paid to talk about these things actually learned the fucking rules they're discussing. They don't understand the fucking offside rule either.

[Ted Hughes]

Correct me if I am wrong, But I always thought that it was a red card only if a "Clear Goalscoring Opportunity" is denied. Dedders tackle was outside the box which in my eyes does NOT make it a clear goalscoring opportunity. I'm certain that there is no particular rule for a sending off when you're the last man. Unless you have denied the above.

What does it matter if he's into the box or not? Once he had gone past him Chamakh would have had only the keeper to beat, more clear goalscoring chance than that...

The only question is if he would have reached the ball before Hart, which I think he would, so it makes Boyata's challenge one that denies a clear goalscoring opportunity, sadly.

You can't THINK that he may reach the ball, you have to be sure or you're supposed to give the defender the benefit of the doubt rather than guess & send him off. There's no way anyone could be sure so it's not a red card.

[CityFanFromRome]

Correct me if I am wrong, But I always thought that it was a red card only if a "Clear Goalscoring Opportunity" is denied. Dedders tackle was outside the box which in my eyes does NOT make it a clear goalscoring opportunity. I'm certain that there is no particular rule for a sending off when you're the last man. Unless you have denied the above.

What does it matter if he's into the box or not? Once he had gone past him Chamakh would have had only the keeper to beat, more clear goalscoring chance than that...

The only question is if he would have reached the ball before Hart, which I think he would, so it makes Boyata's challenge one that denies a clear goalscoring opportunity, sadly.

You can't THINK that he may reach the ball, you have to be sure or you're supposed to give the defender the benefit of the doubt rather than guess & send him off. There's no way anyone could be sure so it's not a red card.

I see what you mean but you can'0t be sure he wouldn't have reached it in time either, and in these 50/50 situations I've most of the time seen referees give the red card. So it wasn't a 100% sure red, perhaps, but I'd say most of the referees would have given it. Now, with common sense, the ref wouldn't have given it in the fifth minute of an important game like that, but had the situation been reversed I would have called for a red card, so I really can't find it in me to complain about that.

[Ted Hughes]

Correct me if I am wrong, But I always thought that it was a red card only if a "Clear Goalscoring Opportunity" is denied. Dedders tackle was outside the box which in my eyes does NOT make it a clear goalscoring opportunity. I'm certain that there is no particular rule for a sending off when you're the last man. Unless you have denied the above.

What does it matter if he's into the box or not? Once he had gone past him Chamakh would have had only the keeper to beat, more clear goalscoring chance than that...

The only question is if he would have reached the ball before Hart, which I think he would, so it makes Boyata's challenge one that denies a clear goalscoring opportunity, sadly.

You can't THINK that he may reach the ball, you have to be sure or you're supposed to give the defender the benefit of the doubt rather than guess & send him off. There's no way anyone could be sure so it's not a red card.

I see what you mean but you can'0t be sure he wouldn't have reached it in time either, and in these 50/50 situations I've most of the time seen referees give the red card. So it wasn't a 100% sure red, perhaps, but I'd say most of the referees would have given it. Now, with common sense, the ref wouldn't have given it in the fifth minute of an important game like that, but had the situation been reversed I would have called for a red card, so I really can't find it in me to complain about that.

The ref is supposed to favour the defender if he's not sure so shouldn't give a red card.

Just because you'd call for a red card doesn't mean you'd get one. I call for Gary Neville to be covered in petrol & burned alive but still it doesn't happen.

[Beefymcfc]

Does anyone think that Chamahk was actually looking for the foul as well? For soneone baring down on goal he didn't seem to have total control of the ball and seemed to toe-poke it forward.

Arsenal seem to be doing this quite a lot lately, asking for the challenge certain to get the player into trouble; or is it just me?

[the_georgian_genius]

It was a red card.

It was a pen.

and he got a few decisions wrong but which refeee doesn't?

Was fun giving him abuse though in the game.

[brite blu sky]

Im sure there is some serious slagging off of Clattenburg in this thread, i haven't read most of it.

Unrelated to this instance i hate refs who spoil a game before it has started - even if that favours City cos it just twists the game out of all proportion.
In this instance i though there were a number of mitigating circumstances.
1. Too early in the game for red ( unless it was out and out deliberate violence)
2. The ref didn't have the best view of it, he relied on the linesman.
3. It was just too close for a red between Chamachakacha poking it and Boyata missing the ball... so not deliberate.
4. It was pretty clear Chamachakacha would not have recovered the ball anyway.

All that together would have told me that a bit of common sense should prevail and just give the free kick and a yellow.

[david yearsley]

Old habits die hard for me...and being a biased blue and the environment I'm in certainly affects my opinion, both at the time and after.

Sat at home in my armchair, either on my own or with other trusted Blues....PROBABLY A GOOD DECISION.
In the pub after being at the game, with trusted Blues...QUIETLY...PROBABLY A GOOD DECISION.
In a pub during or after the game, surrounded by rags...LOUDLY...THE REF IS A BENT BASTARD AND NEVILLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT OFF.
At the groung in real time...AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE...THE REF IS A BENT BASTARD AND EVERY ARSENAL TACKLE FROM THEN ON IS A SENDING OFF OFFENCE.

It's just the way it flops around my head.

haha spot on that. Superb John

Through confusion one arrives at clarity - J68 sums up perfectly how I felt coming on here after the match - he´s such a perceptive fucler ;)

[zuricity]

Im sure there is some serious slagging off of Clattenburg in this thread, i haven't read most of it.

Unrelated to this instance i hate refs who spoil a game before it has started - even if that favours City cos it just twists the game out of all proportion.
In this instance i though there were a number of mitigating circumstances.
1. Too early in the game for red ( unless it was out and out deliberate violence)
2. The ref didn't have the best view of it, he relied on the linesman.
3. It was just too close for a red between Chamachakacha poking it and Boyata missing the ball... so not deliberate.
4. It was pretty clear Chamachakacha would not have recovered the ball anyway.

All that together would have told me that a bit of common sense should prevail and just give the free kick and a yellow.

I would not have sent boyata off. At most a yellow. I certainly wouldn't have given the penalty, which ever team it was.

Clattenburg is a disgrace. He is a very ,very poor referee. A glory hunter.

[Beefymcfc]

Im sure there is some serious slagging off of Clattenburg in this thread, i haven't read most of it.

Unrelated to this instance i hate refs who spoil a game before it has started - even if that favours City cos it just twists the game out of all proportion.
In this instance i though there were a number of mitigating circumstances.
1. Too early in the game for red ( unless it was out and out deliberate violence)
2. The ref didn't have the best view of it, he relied on the linesman.
3. It was just too close for a red between Chamachakacha poking it and Boyata missing the ball... so not deliberate.
4. It was pretty clear Chamachakacha would not have recovered the ball anyway.

All that together would have told me that a bit of common sense should prevail and just give the free kick and a yellow.

I would not have sent boyata off. At most a yellow. I certainly wouldn't have given the penalty, which ever team it was.

Clattenburg is a disgrace. He is a very ,very poor referee. A glory hunter.

Good points, well made, in total agreement.

[marvin]

I wasn't sure about the sending off as I was at the other end, but what enraged me was the way he allowed Arsenal players to dictate the game. He did the same against Blackburn.

For me Arsenal are now Enemy No. 1

[Sister of fu]

It was a red card.

It was a pen.

and he got a few decisions wrong but which refeee doesn't?

Was fun giving him abuse though in the game.

Got to agree with this post. Also, have we not had a huge rub of the green in the last couple of games with the Lescott challenge agaisnt Newcastle and the two goals against Blackpool?? As they say, these things tend to even out over a season.

Best ref this season, the one in the Juve game. No idea who he was but he took no messing or fannying about from players telling them to get up, wish we saw more of this in the game.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

lol "too early for a red". some of you really crack me up :D

[Beefymcfc]

lol "too early for a red". some of you really crack me up :D

I refer the Honourable Gentleman to this:

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[Ted Hughes]

It was a red card.

It was a pen.

and he got a few decisions wrong but which refeee doesn't?

Was fun giving him abuse though in the game.

No it wasn't , yes it was, none, yes it was.