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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Avalon » Fri May 06, 2011 12:34 pm

Paulo 'Ganso' Henrique? Rated higher than Neymar and is a central midfielder with a lot of attacking talent. Sure... he's Brazillian, so there's always the doubt whether he can physically handle the EPL, but Sandro from Tottenham seems to be adjusting fine.

There's also Defour from Standard, who looks quite good. I know Rags are after him, supposedly. So he could be another option.

Another player that could be interesting is Moussa Sissoko, I think he plays at Toulouse. Defensively he is quite strong and likes to go forward.

Another player is Miguel Veloso, sure he's a defensive midfielder, but got a great left foot for free kicks, corners and passes into the box.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 06, 2011 12:44 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:Javi Martínez.

Not exactly prolific but he carries an attacking threat. Plus he's still only a kid.


Mate, Javi Martinez is exactly kind of player I DON'T want! I mean, he is talented young player who could turn into real world beater. However, I'm happy with the overall age of our young squad. When we are trying to replace Tevez, we NEED to go for proven top quality. Not just add player that may or may not add something somewhere along the line but someone who will contribute from day one.

It's just not me either. Mancini needs to find such player. I believe that owners will want us to mount serious title challenge next year. Not necesserily win the title but be there and thereabouts this time next year. They will also want us to progress in CL. The kind of player I', talking about will not only have to contribute but also carry us on occasion like Tevez has. Be the difference between win and draw.

That's why I feel talk of someone like Carroll or whoever is absurd in this context. He may or may not turn out to be smashing player for Liverpool. Mancini can't afford such punts with Tevez replacement.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Londonblue1 » Fri May 06, 2011 12:54 pm

In my opinion if we want a goal scorer for the prem then look no further than darren bent,proven season after season simples.also I would take Ashley young to help aj and silva also prem proven.almost sounds too straight forward.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Alioune DVToure » Fri May 06, 2011 1:17 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:Javi Martínez.

Not exactly prolific but he carries an attacking threat. Plus he's still only a kid.


Mate, Javi Martinez is exactly kind of player I DON'T want! I mean, he is talented young player who could turn into real world beater. However, I'm happy with the overall age of our young squad. When we are trying to replace Tevez, we NEED to go for proven top quality. Not just add player that may or may not add something somewhere along the line but someone who will contribute from day one.

It's just not me either. Mancini needs to find such player. I believe that owners will want us to mount serious title challenge next year. Not necesserily win the title but be there and thereabouts this time next year. They will also want us to progress in CL. The kind of player I', talking about will not only have to contribute but also carry us on occasion like Tevez has. Be the difference between win and draw.

That's why I feel talk of someone like Carroll or whoever is absurd in this context. He may or may not turn out to be smashing player for Liverpool. Mancini can't afford such punts with Tevez replacement.


I was answering the question about which attacking CMs look the part rather than relating it back to Tevez's possible departure.

Javi Martínez is a fine player who I think would go straight into our 18 - and probably our 11. We shouldn't let age put us off. Some of the all-time stars of the Premier League have been bought at a young age and looked the part immediately (I'm thinking Anelka, Henry, Essien, Torres, Vieira, potentially Hernández and Suárez). We shouldn't be afraid to identify the best young players and go for them. He'll only end up going somewhere else and leave us feeling like we missed the boat.

Otherwise, the way Yaya's playing at the minute makes me think he could be the answer. His fitness is improving and he carries a persistent goal threat. Looks better with each game. He gets more room to burst into the box without Tevez in the side too. Mario is great at running across the back line and creating a hole for Yaya to burst through. Seen it so many times in recent weeks. Tevez on the other hand will never be more than ten feet from the ball when we're in a promising position.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri May 06, 2011 1:41 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:Javi Martínez.

Not exactly prolific but he carries an attacking threat. Plus he's still only a kid.


Mate, Javi Martinez is exactly kind of player I DON'T want! I mean, he is talented young player who could turn into real world beater. However, I'm happy with the overall age of our young squad. When we are trying to replace Tevez, we NEED to go for proven top quality. Not just add player that may or may not add something somewhere along the line but someone who will contribute from day one.

It's just not me either. Mancini needs to find such player. I believe that owners will want us to mount serious title challenge next year. Not necesserily win the title but be there and thereabouts this time next year. They will also want us to progress in CL. The kind of player I', talking about will not only have to contribute but also carry us on occasion like Tevez has. Be the difference between win and draw.

That's why I feel talk of someone like Carroll or whoever is absurd in this context. He may or may not turn out to be smashing player for Liverpool. Mancini can't afford such punts with Tevez replacement.


We took a punt on Dzeko, Balotelli & Jo. Caroll could & should have been taken as an option; give Newcastle £5M for first option to sign him next season & agree a fee. We would have got him for 10 mil less than Liverpool & if he'd been shite for Newcastle we could have bailed out. With him as a plan B we would have been unstoppable imo, even if he only got 10 goals; they would all be matchwinners & he'd lay on shiploads for others.

We need other attacking options in all areas imo, including midfield, out wide & centre attack even if Tevez stays. We've almost (& I do say ALMOST) got away with it this season, without having a full replacement for Tevez & we were asking for trouble (the gods of football always bite you on the arse in these situations) & got it. We could still yet pay for it but hopefully won't.

Imo, we need to sign the kind of player you suggest, Sneijder etc not as a replacement for Tevez but as a replacement for Ireland & partner for, or a backup/alternative to Silva. If he also serves as a replacement for Tevez in some games then good but I think we need another goalscorer, whether Tevez stays or not. If Balotelli & Dzeko both play brilliantly, we can always sell off the least effective striker at the end of the season, should he be unsettled, but I recon, with 4 competitions & expecting a certain number of injuries, there are enough games to carry 4 strikers & two top quality players in every other position.

We should be going into next season with Balotelli, Dzeko, Tevez (or A.N. Other) + one more top striker, another wide player + AJ & another creative midfielder + Silva. Also a better left back alternative imo. If they're all top quality & as good as each other, they can all play plenty of games. The problem comes when one player is much better than the one on the bench & plays most games, which is how it is at the moment.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri May 06, 2011 1:59 pm

Ashley Jung.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri May 06, 2011 2:03 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Ashley Jung.



Will probably be on our radar I should imagine, as he can play more than one position & used to link up well with Milner, but the rumours about Sanchez seem to be very strong & I don't see us signing both.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri May 06, 2011 2:38 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Ashley Jung.



Will probably be on our radar I should imagine, as he can play more than one position & used to link up well with Milner, but the rumours about Sanchez seem to be very strong & I don't see us signing both.

I reckon he's definately an option and if the chance came, he'd be over here in a flash. What I like about him is that he can play either wing and has been used down the middle, plus will be able to bring AJ on as a player; he's not come on atall for me.

With him though, I'd think it'd be a tug-of-war between Marwood and Mancini, Marwood wanting him and Mancini not so keen.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri May 06, 2011 2:39 pm

Oh, and Jimmy Grimble.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri May 06, 2011 2:51 pm

who thinks Sanchez is done and Tevez is off...for cash and Sneijdley Whipfoot? i do.

who also thinks we won't make ANY other major purchase in the summer but those two? i do.

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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby lets all have a disco » Fri May 06, 2011 2:57 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:who thinks Sanchez is done and Tevez is off...for cash and Sneijdley Whipfoot? i do.

who also thinks we won't make ANY other major purchase in the summer but those two? i do.

cheers


I hope thats not the case as we need another Left Back.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Wooders » Fri May 06, 2011 3:05 pm

if he goes we should replace him with Kaka and Sanchez and get some delivery into the box for Dzeko, Balla and Ade

there.. problem solved
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby 13021J » Fri May 06, 2011 3:13 pm

lets all have a disco wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:who thinks Sanchez is done and Tevez is off...for cash and Sneijdley Whipfoot? i do.

who also thinks we won't make ANY other major purchase in the summer but those two? i do.

cheers


I hope thats not the case as we need another Left Back.

Coentrao?

Sanchis and Sneijder would be da bomb, although hasn't Wesley got some chronic injury at the moment?

Lots of people saying Wesley would be back up to Silva, I'm David biggest fan but Wes is Silvax2
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri May 06, 2011 3:21 pm

lets all have a disco wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:who thinks Sanchez is done and Tevez is off...for cash and Sneijdley Whipfoot? i do.

who also thinks we won't make ANY other major purchase in the summer but those two? i do.

cheers


I hope thats not the case as we need another Left Back.


i think so too, but i think Bob has blinders on and thinks his current crew can do it with some more training and study and growth into next season.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby bluej » Fri May 06, 2011 3:59 pm

13021J wrote:
lets all have a disco wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:who thinks Sanchez is done and Tevez is off...for cash and Sneijdley Whipfoot? i do.

who also thinks we won't make ANY other major purchase in the summer but those two? i do.

cheers


I hope thats not the case as we need another Left Back.

[highlight]Coentrao[/highlight]?

Sanchis and Sneijder would be da bomb, although hasn't Wesley got some chronic injury at the moment?

Lots of people saying Wesley would be back up to Silva, I'm David biggest fan but Wes is Silvax2


Is he the lad who plays for Benfica? I've heard a lot about him and I've only seen him once (last night) but he was utterly woeful. Defensively suspect time and time again and didn't offer much more than Kolarov going forward.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby 1950 » Fri May 06, 2011 4:18 pm

Eh? They doubled up on him (a left back!) on the half way line in the dying minutes. He was a constant threat & it was all gung-ho after the goal anyway.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 06, 2011 5:26 pm

13021J wrote:
lets all have a disco wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:who thinks Sanchez is done and Tevez is off...for cash and Sneijdley Whipfoot? i do.

who also thinks we won't make ANY other major purchase in the summer but those two? i do.

cheers


I hope thats not the case as we need another Left Back.

Coentrao?

Sanchis and Sneijder would be da bomb, although hasn't Wesley got some chronic injury at the moment?

Lots of people saying Wesley would be back up to Silva, I'm David biggest fan but Wes is Silvax2


No fookin Coentrao's or any other shitbag who is "good going forward". We need a leftback who can DEFEND. If he CAN bomb forwared every now and then, great, but it's not feature desperately needed.

This is exactly why I wasn't buzzing about Kolarov signing (and was called miserable bastard by many). Good going forward but shaky at the back even in fucking Italy. And what has he offered going forward anyway? Nothing. Using fullbacks as some sort of attacking weapon is pointless especially if you are sacrificing someone in midfield covering for fullback. Even the world's best attacking fullbacks like Ashley Cole don't offer that much really.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby 1950 » Fri May 06, 2011 5:58 pm

Bollocks. Look in the mirror & tell yourself with a straight face that Alves & Marcelo "don't offer that much really".

Pointless? Tell that to the World Cup winning brazilian squads who relied on attacking fullbacks for width so they could cram as many playmakers, trequartistas & strikers into the side as possible.

In his better games Kolarov has offered an outlet. His decision making, if you can even call it that, has been absurd, but his garbageness doesn't make the role he's asked to play pointless in itself.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Alioune DVToure » Fri May 06, 2011 6:50 pm

I don't agree with you here, NQDP.

After a shaky start, Evra has given a lot going in both directions for the nuems. When fit, Richards has done a good job of it this season for us.

I think if your players are good enough it isn't a problem.

I also disagree about Ashley Cole. He's immense as an attacking force for Chelsea, and the extra width he gives them often enables them to play 3 CMs and boss the middle of the park.

I would agree that the fundamentals for a defender have to be a their ability to defend, but most top sides have full-backs (Alves, Evra, Ramos, LAHM!) that can give you another option going forward, which makes a side more dynamic/less predictable.

Finally, with Barry and De Jong sitting quite deep and covering a flank each defensively, it does give our full-backs license to bomb on - and they do. Look at Zabba's goal last weekend, Micah at Stoke...
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 06, 2011 6:57 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:I don't agree with you here, NQDP.

After a shaky start, Evra has given a lot going in both directions for the nuems. When fit, Richards has done a good job of it this season for us.

I think if your players are good enough it isn't a problem.

I also disagree about Ashley Cole. He's immense as an attacking force for Chelsea, and the extra width he gives them often enables them to play 3 CMs and boss the middle of the park.

I would agree that the fundamentals for a defender have to be a their ability to defend, but most top sides have full-backs (Alves, Evra, Ramos, LAHM!) that can give you another option going forward, which makes a side more dynamic/less predictable.

Finally, with Barry and De Jong sitting quite deep and covering a flank each defensively, it does give our full-backs license to bomb on - and they do. Look at Zabba's goal last weekend, Micah at Stoke...


Of those four only Evra is genuinely good defender. Alves is alright. Both Lahm and especially Ramos offer nothing as far as defending goes.

Last bit is exactly my point. If we had defensive fullbacks (Zabba is one actually.... only he CAN go forward) and positive central midfielders they would add 5-10 goals and 5-15 assists each. Instead we got attacking fullbacks who add maybe three goals and two assists PUT TOGETHER. Not good enough.
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