Savic

[Slim]

Savic, needs games he is a lot wiser this morning, than he was, the premier has plenty of defenders who look lost, Evra, Luiz have looked as bad, The whole Arsenak back 4 for 5 yrs have looked crap, give him some game time who knows. I agree work to do, Mancini, will give him a chance he has to take it.

And what have they won in those 5 years?

[bigblue]

You can have as much patience as you like with him & I hope he becomes fantastic, just don't play him in the fucking team in the meantime.

Yeah, because giving Savic some experience has really hurt our form and caused us to drop points...

Sure he could have cost us the game, but he didn't. We win or lose as a team and Savic is a part of that team. I think he has great potential. Needs to work on his positioning and physicality - but is very good when people dribble at him, is normally good in the air, and is composed when in possession. Another year or two playing with Kompany & Lescott and training against Mario, Silva, Sergio, Nasri, Dzeko.... and he'll really blossom.

If we were struggling and failing to get results I could see your point. But as long as we keep winning - I don't see how giving young players experience hurts us or how criticizing those young players helps us.

Where in Gods name have you got any evidence for that !!?? Have you got any recordings of the games he's started, including for Montenegro or pre season for City ? Watch them. I have & he gets skinned almost at will if anyone runs at him 1v1. Unless he has several other players around to help him out or is running for a 50/50 ball over the top, he gets skinned. He obstructs, trips over, dives in he's fucking hopeless at it ! I wish you lot would actually deal with facts rather than letting your imagination run away with you.

Just try to remember the one time someone took him on, on his own, at QPR; he threw himself on the deck & stuck his leg out hopefully in the general direction of the ball, in our penalty area & had the bloke gone over, it was a pen & 2 points out of the window. At Wolves he could have been red carded in the 1st 15 mins for obstructing & diving in.

As for good in the air; at the other end of the pitch maybe. Kolarov & Zabba are winning a higher percentage of headers v the strikers than Savic. That's not a joke, it's a fact. At QPR Lescott won almost every header, Savic lost almost every header. Had Vinny been playing, there would have been almost no threat. It was because of Savic that QPR gave us a game. He fucked up our whole defence.

I take no pleasure in his incompetence but he's the worst fucking defender we've had in the team for years. People take the piss (rightly) out of Johnny Evans; he's making one shit mistake to each 5 made by Savic. He's currently miles better than Savic & he's shite. nIf he'd played for the rags v us, we would have scored 15 as he would have been more of a liability on the pitch than Evans was off it.

Well now you're just letting your irrational hatred get in the way of your already questionable judgement. You've completely surpassed Carl's hatred of Lescott by miles. You've even spewing the same shit as the commentators that "If the attacker on QPR would have gone down it would have been a penalty"!? Savic got the ball on that tackle!

Look @ 3:40 in the video: http://www.footytube.com/video/queens-p ... p_ozeit_mp
SWP runs at him but Savic DOES WELL. Maybe you don't remember it because it doesn't fit with your preconceived judgement.

He didn't have a good game by any means but you're just talking shit now. Boyata lost us the game against Arsenal last year by getting sent off in the 5th minute, but no one said that he's shit and should be sold. If this is the amount of patience that we give young players, we might as well tell the whole youth academy and EDS to fuck off, and just focus on buying the big name stars at the moment.

[shawzy]

Looks abit lightweight for a prem centre half..Got out muscled in the air a few times yesterday..Not writing the lad off..Its bloody hard filling Komps boots..If given more game time in the cups and wack on a few pounds he mite come good.

[stefano]

between Richards and Lescott also Pique could suck

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

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Just try to remember the one time someone took him on, on his own, at QPR; he threw himself on the deck & stuck his leg out hopefully in the general direction of the ball, in our penalty area & had the bloke gone over, it was a pen & 2 points out of the window.

Fucking hell Ted...He won the ball!
So you are saying If the player had cheated and dived he may have won a pen, so Savic is shit?
He got a vital touch on the ball, it was fine effort.
Had he not touched that ball the chappie may well have scored.

[Ted Hughes]

You can have as much patience as you like with him & I hope he becomes fantastic, just don't play him in the fucking team in the meantime.

Yeah, because giving Savic some experience has really hurt our form and caused us to drop points...

Sure he could have cost us the game, but he didn't. We win or lose as a team and Savic is a part of that team. I think he has great potential. Needs to work on his positioning and physicality - but is very good when people dribble at him, is normally good in the air, and is composed when in possession. Another year or two playing with Kompany & Lescott and training against Mario, Silva, Sergio, Nasri, Dzeko.... and he'll really blossom.

If we were struggling and failing to get results I could see your point. But as long as we keep winning - I don't see how giving young players experience hurts us or how criticizing those young players helps us.

Where in Gods name have you got any evidence for that !!?? Have you got any recordings of the games he's started, including for Montenegro or pre season for City ? Watch them. I have & he gets skinned almost at will if anyone runs at him 1v1. Unless he has several other players around to help him out or is running for a 50/50 ball over the top, he gets skinned. He obstructs, trips over, dives in he's fucking hopeless at it ! I wish you lot would actually deal with facts rather than letting your imagination run away with you.

Just try to remember the one time someone took him on, on his own, at QPR; he threw himself on the deck & stuck his leg out hopefully in the general direction of the ball, in our penalty area & had the bloke gone over, it was a pen & 2 points out of the window. At Wolves he could have been red carded in the 1st 15 mins for obstructing & diving in.

As for good in the air; at the other end of the pitch maybe. Kolarov & Zabba are winning a higher percentage of headers v the strikers than Savic. That's not a joke, it's a fact. At QPR Lescott won almost every header, Savic lost almost every header. Had Vinny been playing, there would have been almost no threat. It was because of Savic that QPR gave us a game. He fucked up our whole defence.

I take no pleasure in his incompetence but he's the worst fucking defender we've had in the team for years. People take the piss (rightly) out of Johnny Evans; he's making one shit mistake to each 5 made by Savic. He's currently miles better than Savic & he's shite. nIf he'd played for the rags v us, we would have scored 15 as he would have been more of a liability on the pitch than Evans was off it.

Well now you're just letting your irrational hatred get in the way of your already questionable judgement. You've completely surpassed Carl's hatred of Lescott by miles. You've even spewing the same shit as the commentators that "If the attacker on QPR would have gone down it would have been a penalty"!? Savic got the ball on that tackle!

Look @ 3:40 in the video: http://www.footytube.com/video/queens-p ... p_ozeit_mp
SWP runs at him but Savic DOES WELL. Maybe you don't remember it because it doesn't fit with your preconceived judgement.

He didn't have a good game by any means but you're just talking shit now. Boyata lost us the game against Arsenal last year by getting sent off in the 5th minute, but no one said that he's shit and should be sold. If this is the amount of patience that we give young players, we might as well tell the whole youth academy and EDS to fuck off, and just focus on buying the big name stars at the moment.

Actually I said Boyata & Boateng cost us the game v Arsenal & that neither was good enough to be playing against that team & that Bob was a fucking idiot to be gambling with our season by trying them out in such an important game. Exactly as I'm saying now. One or two people argued their case like you are now doing. By the time both were dumped out of the squad, the arguments had become a whisper. Both were better than Savic is at this time.

Why on earth would I hate Savic ? T5hat's a ridiculous idea! we sign a 20 year old kid & I randomly decide I'll make every effort to slag him off ! ?? I would love him to be good enough. He isn't. I am sure you can find instances where Savic manages to win a header or get an interception in. The problem is, I might also be able to win one occasional header or one occasional tackle too if you put me on the pitch. It's all the other occasions when I'd get the piss taken out of me that would be the problem. Savic currently has the same problem. He should not be playing centre back for MCFC. He is not currently good enough.

[Ted Hughes]

You can have as much patience as you like with him & I hope he becomes fantastic, just don't play him in the fucking team in the meantime.

Yeah, because giving Savic some experience has really hurt our form and caused us to drop points...

Sure he could have cost us the game, but he didn't. We win or lose as a team and Savic is a part of that team. I think he has great potential. Needs to work on his positioning and physicality - but is very good when people dribble at him, is normally good in the air, and is composed when in possession. Another year or two playing with Kompany & Lescott and training against Mario, Silva, Sergio, Nasri, Dzeko.... and he'll really blossom.

If we were struggling and failing to get results I could see your point. But as long as we keep winning - I don't see how giving young players experience hurts us or how criticizing those young players helps us.

Where in Gods name have you got any evidence for that !!?? Have you got any recordings of the games he's started, including for Montenegro or pre season for City ? Watch them. I have & he gets skinned almost at will if anyone runs at him 1v1. Unless he has several other players around to help him out or is running for a 50/50 ball over the top, he gets skinned. He obstructs, trips over, dives in he's fucking hopeless at it ! I wish you lot would actually deal with facts rather than letting your imagination run away with you.

Just try to remember the one time someone took him on, on his own, at QPR; he threw himself on the deck & stuck his leg out hopefully in the general direction of the ball, in our penalty area & had the bloke gone over, it was a pen & 2 points out of the window. At Wolves he could have been red carded in the 1st 15 mins for obstructing & diving in.

As for good in the air; at the other end of the pitch maybe. Kolarov & Zabba are winning a higher percentage of headers v the strikers than Savic. That's not a joke, it's a fact. At QPR Lescott won almost every header, Savic lost almost every header. Had Vinny been playing, there would have been almost no threat. It was because of Savic that QPR gave us a game. He fucked up our whole defence.

I take no pleasure in his incompetence but he's the worst fucking defender we've had in the team for years. People take the piss (rightly) out of Johnny Evans; he's making one shit mistake to each 5 made by Savic. He's currently miles better than Savic & he's shite. nIf he'd played for the rags v us, we would have scored 15 as he would have been more of a liability on the pitch than Evans was off it.

Well now you're just letting your irrational hatred get in the way of your already questionable judgement. You've completely surpassed Carl's hatred of Lescott by miles. You've even spewing the same shit as the commentators that "If the attacker on QPR would have gone down it would have been a penalty"!? Savic got the ball on that tackle!

Look @ 3:40 in the video: http://www.footytube.com/video/queens-p ... p_ozeit_mp
SWP runs at him but Savic DOES WELL. Maybe you don't remember it because it doesn't fit with your preconceived judgement.

He didn't have a good game by any means but you're just talking shit now. Boyata lost us the game against Arsenal last year by getting sent off in the 5th minute, but no one said that he's shit and should be sold. If this is the amount of patience that we give young players, we might as well tell the whole youth academy and EDS to fuck off, and just focus on buying the big name stars at the moment.

Actually I said Boyata & Boateng cost us the game v Arsenal & that neither was good enough to be playing against that team & that Bob was a fucking idiot to be gambling with our season by trying them out in such an important game. Exactly as I'm saying now. One or two people argued their case like you are now doing. By the time both were dumped out of the squad, the arguments had become a whisper. Both were better than Savic is at this time.

Why on earth would I hate Savic ? T5hat's a ridiculous idea! we sign a 20 year old kid & I randomly decide I'll make every effort to slag him off ! ?? I would love him to be good enough. He isn't. I am sure you can find instances where Savic manages to win a header or get an interception in. The problem is, I might also be able to win one occasional header or one occasional tackle too if you put me on the pitch. It's all the other occasions when I'd get the piss taken out of me that would be the problem. Savic currently has the same problem. He should not be playing centre back for MCFC. He is not currently good enough.

I used to watch the youth team both in games & in training btw. all my life I have been an advocate of bringing through young players. When they are good enough & at the right time.

[Ted Hughes]

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Just try to remember the one time someone took him on, on his own, at QPR; he threw himself on the deck & stuck his leg out hopefully in the general direction of the ball, in our penalty area & had the bloke gone over, it was a pen & 2 points out of the window.

Fucking hell Ted...He won the ball!
So you are saying If the player had cheated and dived he may have won a pen, so Savic is shit?
He got a vital touch on the ball, it was fine effort.
Had he not touched that ball the chappie may well have scored.

He barely touched the ball then brought down the player as his dangling foot came through whilst the player still had the ball in his control. The chappie left him for dead & would most likely have got a pen if he'd gone over. Savic should never have needed to go to ground, he should have been in a better position but failed to see the situation. That kind of defending against higher quality players would be disasterous.

[getdressedmctavish]

A centre half must dominate physically. If he has this you can coach everything else. Savic hasn't got the basic tools for the job. He is an accomplished footballer everywhere else on the pitch as his cross for Montenegro and his goal at blackburn showed.But unless he grows 3 inches, as the mrs wishes I would, he wont make a centre half.With Kolo out of favour, rightly so, and the kid doin poorly at Bolton, Hansen is right.Its what we need in Jan.

[Ted Hughes]

A centre half must dominate physically. If he has this you can coach everything else. Savic hasn't got the basic tools for the job. He is an accomplished footballer everywhere else on the pitch as his cross for Montenegro and his goal at blackburn showed.But unless he grows 3 inches, as the mrs wishes I would, he wont make a centre half.With Kolo out of favour, rightly so, and the kid doin poorly at Bolton, Hansen is right.Its what we need in Jan.

It really is so fucking simple & obvious isn't it ? I've already said I wouldn't rule him out as a fullback or defensive mid but how in the fucking world could he possibly play against someone like Kenwyne Jones or Peter Crouch, like Lescott & Kompany have to do every other week?

[bigblue]

Why on earth would I hate Savic ? T5hat's a ridiculous idea! we sign a 20 year old kid & I randomly decide I'll make every effort to slag him off ! ??

Yes it is ridiculous, very ridiculous.

[bigblue]

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Just try to remember the one time someone took him on, on his own, at QPR; he threw himself on the deck & stuck his leg out hopefully in the general direction of the ball, in our penalty area & had the bloke gone over, it was a pen & 2 points out of the window.

Fucking hell Ted...He won the ball!
So you are saying If the player had cheated and dived he may have won a pen, so Savic is shit?
He got a vital touch on the ball, it was fine effort.
Had he not touched that ball the chappie may well have scored.

He barely touched the ball then brought down the player as his dangling foot came through whilst the player still had the ball in his control. The chappie left him for dead & would most likely have got a pen if he'd gone over. Savic should never have needed to go to ground, he should have been in a better position but failed to see the situation. That kind of defending against higher quality players would be disasterous.

No matter how much you hate the player he won the ball. If Kompany or De Jong had made the tackle you'd be saying something very different

[zuricity]

Fair do's. I think he's been piss poor in the air and the last time I saw someone run at him they were needlessly body checked and Savic booked five mins in to the game.

Against QPR, SWP and another player I forget had a run at Savic when he was isolated and Savic did very well to hold them up until team mates can cover behind. Many players his age would just keep backing up and give away a shot or dive in and give a free kick. Maybe a tint of Blue shades, but I think the card he got was a bit of a dive by the Birmingham player.

I do remember him being solid in the air when he has come on as a sub and when playing at home. He did have the goal @ blackburn (even if he was unmarked). But as is the nature of internet forums, if he is slightly off one game he is shit and needs to be sold. Then when he plays better he'll be a great find by Mancini, destined to be amongst the greats.

My main point is that it's waaaayyy too early for such extreme judgements on (I'll repeat again) a 20 yr old player bought in the summer from another country. A handful of appearances in the first 1/3 of a season is all we've seen. I think hes had a few good games and a few not so good. But has he PROVED that he isn't good enough? fuck no

I think you are right. It is way too early to judge the young lad. They also made some point on motd that if the player had gone down , it would have been a penalty. Well it would have been a dive, because Savic got the ball and not the man. He does need to beef up a bit though, when you see some of the players these days and how tall and broad they are. Mind you micah was surprisingly lax and easily outjumped in the first half at QPR. Which i wasn't expecting because of his strength and fitness. However the QPR player did get a good run up.

[Blue Since 76]

This player had 56 games in Serbia and 6 full caps before coming to City.

He's not a 17 year old(as Messi was) he is 20 years old.

I severely doubt Messi showed absolutely nothing to be positive about in his first game, let alone his 60th.

Ok, first full game in a foreign country. Lots of players struggle in a different country with language, culture and not least different football style. From the current side, Silva, Mario, Dzeko, yaya, Vince and Nige all struggled initially. Herman stank west ham out till Xmas.

I'm not sure I'd play Savic for a few weeks, especially against anyone with a physical centre forward, but that doesn't mean he should be on the transfer list come January.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Mind your knees lads, arthritis is a bitch.

[Slim]

This player had 56 games in Serbia and 6 full caps before coming to City.

He's not a 17 year old(as Messi was) he is 20 years old.

I severely doubt Messi showed absolutely nothing to be positive about in his first game, let alone his 60th.

Ok, first full game in a foreign country. Lots of players struggle in a different country with language, culture and not least different football style. From the current side, Silva, Mario, Dzeko, yaya, Vince and Nige all struggled initially. Herman stank west ham out till Xmas.

I'm not sure I'd play Savic for a few weeks, especially against anyone with a physical centre forward, but that doesn't mean he should be on the transfer list come January.

Of course not, does everyone around here speak in absolutes all the fucking time.

Easy games, get him grounded and work him into the team.

BUT, we need another centrehalf. Can't rely on Kolo being here, very little competition for those two spots.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Tell you something for nothing, as much as I love Lescott, I feel a lot more comfortable when Savic is in possession than I do when Joleon is.

Give him time, ok fair enough he's not looked great aerially but he's just a kid, hopefully he learns how to adjust his game to make up for the shortfall in his physical presence, like for example Cannavaro did to become one of the world's best at one stage.

Patience people!

[Ted Hughes]

Savic has looked better in possession than Lescott & Kompany. Thus I've wondered if he may make a midfield player at some time in the future. At QPR though, mainly he was passing to Lescott & spraying the odd dodgy pass around; he wasn't good at all on the ball. This was probably due to lack of confidence caused by the arse raping he was receiving whenever a QPR striker got near him.

I am happy for all you Savic disciples to keep him at City for 5 years while he matures into the world's greatest CB. Nothing would make me happier. Just don't put him in the fucking team if he isn't good enough. Currently, he's not even close & is a bigger liability than Johnny Evans. I don't understand why people can't comprehend this. We are supposed to be challenging for the title. We have players on loan and an EDS team, to help young players come through.

Otherwise, why not start with Reece Wabara & Karim Rekik v Newcastle? Wabara is much faster than Savic & just as good on the ball, Rekik seems physically stronger. They'll get fucking destroyed but who gives a shit right ?

We'll just score 5 or 6, it really is that easy.

[Slim]

Don't knock Rekik, that lad is 16 years old. I am amazed he is already this developed in the physical sense at that age, I think he could be fucking immense for us.

[Ted Hughes]

Don't knock Rekik, that lad is 16 years old. I am amazed he is already this developed in the physical sense at that age, I think he could be fucking immense for us.

Well let's get him in now. Why not ? If we slip down the league who gives a fuck so long as these lads get game time ?

Rekik looks twice the prospect Savic is to me & I expect him to be above Savic in the pecking order within a year. I won't write off Savic until he's had time to settle into football over here though. Hopefully on loan somewhere else, unless we try him at fullback of course; which is where I'm 90% sure he will end up playing.