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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby littlebig » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:29 pm

Kolo is perfect 3rd choice cb for me (Can't believe there are some who want to Joleon out of 1st eleven)
Adam Johnson out only if we get Bale or Hazard
Id kike to see an under the radar signing like Jarvis or Moses (young n hungry)
Higuain for dzeko - I'd eat your hand off if offered
Tevez must go, such a pity he's such a thicko hot head
Ronaldo in is a massive no no for me (I can see Messi coming in 3 or 4 seasons when he's achieved mostly everything at barca)
Also the likes of robben and Ribery we would be raped on price wise and no resale value there
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Swales4ever » Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:36 pm

I don't want major reshuffling on the rooster nor I think it's needed.
with Javi Matinez we can solve either the CB issue (assuming a VK & JL as 1st choice plus Javi and YAYA as luxury back-up) and provide a back up for resting Yaya.
then, we need a top attacking midfielder to solve the problem we currently are expiriencying when David is not at his spark and we miss creativity in the key area of our game. Here, though, I got less certainty, as I don't rate Lavezzi up to City level nor I've seen enough of/from Hazard to be sure that he may represent a step up iro Samir Nasri.
for the fourth striker I'll be fine with JG.

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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:48 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:I don't want major reshuffling on the rooster nor I think it's needed.
with Javi Matinez we can solve either the CB issue (assuming a VK & JL as 1st choice plus Javi and YAYA as luxury back-up) and provide a back up for resting Yaya.
then, we need a top attacking midfielder to solve the problem we currently are expiriencying when David is not at his spark and we miss creativity in the key area of our game. Here, though, I got less certainty, as I don't rate Lavezzi up to City level nor I've seen enough of/from Hazard to be sure that he may represent a step up iro Samir Nasri.
for the fourth striker I'll be fine with JG.


i don't think we need a top attacking midfielder. i think we need some pace on the wings to give Silva and Nasri space to work with. Hazard, Bale, Robben...any of them would fit that bill, some better than others.

I also think we need a 3rd choice CB to spell the disastrophy we've seen this season at times. someone experienced in their late 20s fits for me. Some solid Premiership players would fit the bill.

Lastly, i think a striker is in order, unless we think we can convince Tevez to stay, Dzeko to play, and Balo to focus. A lot to manage through to be honest.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Moonchesteri » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:09 pm

CityGer wrote:
Also, Gotze has just signed a new deal.

Doesn't mean a thing these days tho. Apart from the fact a buyer might have to for out a bit more money..

I don't want Dani Alves. I reckon he'd just be another Kolarov.

By the way how ridiculous is this to -more or less realistically- throw all these names on the board.
It wasn't long ago that I was crying for us to break the bank for Steed Malbranque! And Stelios would've also been an improvement...
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:19 pm

Moonchesteri wrote:By the way how ridiculous is this to -more or less realistically- throw all these names on the board.
It wasn't long ago that I was crying for us to break the bank for Steed Malbranque! And Stelios would've also been an improvement...

Now, now, Mooni, you're not allowed to say how shit we used to be any more. You'll have the thought police after you.

You're right though. We were all optimistic at signing Bernardo Corradi and I remember being told on these very pages that Ousmane Dabo was "class".

How about Miyaichi off Arsenal? Has pace, can improve and will, isn't afraid to take his man on, wouldn't be that pricey and would be a profitable move off the field too. I suspect that players of that type, young and promising, will be what we go for.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Dubaimancityfan » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:49 pm

I would settle for Bale and to bring back Ade with him. Give Ade the starring role that he craves and he will deliver (as he is doing now for Spuds) especially with Bale feeding him from the left.
Bale, Ade and Kun as our front line looks pretty good to me. And we dont have to spend much money to do it as Ade is still ours.
Dzeko and Tevez will have to go and Balo will still have a role and will mature even more (one can hope !).
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby phips » Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:08 pm

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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Swales4ever » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:10 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:I don't want major reshuffling on the rooster nor I think it's needed.
with Javi Matinez we can solve either the CB issue (assuming a VK & JL as 1st choice plus Javi and YAYA as luxury back-up) and provide a back up for resting Yaya.
then, we need a top attacking midfielder to solve the problem we currently are expiriencying when David is not at his spark and we miss creativity in the key area of our game. Here, though, I got less certainty, as I don't rate Lavezzi up to City level nor I've seen enough of/from Hazard to be sure that he may represent a step up iro Samir Nasri.
for the fourth striker I'll be fine with JG.


i don't think we need a top attacking midfielder. i think we need some pace on the wings to give Silva and Nasri space to work with. Hazard, Bale, Robben...any of them would fit that bill, some better than others.

I also think we need a 3rd choice CB to spell the disastrophy we've seen this season at times. someone experienced in their late 20s fits for me. Some solid Premiership players would fit the bill.

Lastly, i think a striker is in order, unless we think we can convince Tevez to stay, Dzeko to play, and Balo to focus. A lot to manage through to be honest.

I agree those 3 are the areas of intervention.
I am puzzled as for a winger to fit the bill in our game while I ideally prefer to find out a back up to Silva of almost the same level but I am far from being convinced where to find it out. even Nasri (second best choice availableon the market) has very rarely lived up to expectation, but it's fair to suspend judgment to the next season. robben is too old for City plans, Bale has pace but what's more, and I don't know enough of hazard.
CB is certainly needed and Javi Martinez or Yaya can fill that void better than any available bet on the market (Savic and Boateng tell)
I concede that sticking with Edin and Mario is a huge bet as well, but I have faith in them, cause I can't believe Edin is that we have seen in the second half of the season and Balotelli is growing and working on his antics and I expect him to improve next season as much as he had from last year (I pretend to forget the horrible aggro at free kick yesterday).

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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby gillie » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:03 pm

I know we would never get him but i would sign Valencia in a heartbeat that guy CAN cross a ball FACT.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby simplytolmie » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:46 pm

Outs firstly -
Savic
Kolarov
Dzeko
Tevez
Balotelli

In's
Vertoghen
Tiote
Neymar
Edin Hazard
Cavani

Bring Back
Rekik
Boyata
Adebayor

Starting Team

Hart
Richards / Kompany / Vertoghen / Clichy
Silva/Yaya/Tiote/Hazard
Aguero/Naymar

Bench
GK / Rekik / Zab / Lescott / Boyata / De Jong / Milner / Barry / Adebayor / Johnson / Nasri / Cavan
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby blue 68 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:50 pm

I'd like shrink to get into the mind of some, no most, of our players and find out what frick they are thinking. I wish the club had a way to fine those whose attitude and application is continously not up to scratch.
Very frustrating watching a bunch of over paid pansies throw our season away.
Not sure new blood will see us through a new season anymore than the new blood we brought in last summer have. We need to change our set up and get more from the resources we already have.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:01 pm

simplytolmie wrote:Outs firstly -
Savic
Kolarov
Dzeko
Tevez
Balotelli

In's
Vertoghen
Tiote
Neymar
Edin Hazard
Cavani

Bring Back
Rekik
Boyata
Adebayor

Starting Team

Hart
Richards / Kompany / Vertoghen / Clichy
Silva/Yaya/Tiote/Hazard
Aguero/Naymar

Bench
GK / Rekik / Zab / Lescott / Boyata / De Jong / Milner / Barry / Adebayor / Johnson / Nasri / Cavan


With a username like simplytolmie how can I argue with you?
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Dazzacity » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:26 pm

Id keep Kolarov !! the guy has a brilliant left boot. Ins would be Van Persie and Bale. Two proven players in the Prem. Along with another centre back and a Barry replacement.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby DoomMerchant » Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:15 am

Dazzacity wrote:Id keep Kolarov !! the guy has a brilliant left boot. Ins would be Van Persie and Bale. Two proven players in the Prem. Along with another centre back and a Barry replacement.


i don't get the Barry slagging lately. Barry starting last Saturday == 3 pts i think. Am i crazy?

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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:55 am

simplytolmie wrote:Outs firstly -
Savic
Kolarov
Dzeko
Tevez
Balotelli

In's
Vertoghen
Tiote
Neymar
Edin Hazard
Cavani

Bring Back
Rekik
Boyata
Adebayor

Starting Team

Hart
Richards / Kompany / Vertoghen / Clichy
Silva/Yaya/Tiote/Hazard
Aguero/Naymar

Bench
GK / Rekik / Zab / Lescott / Boyata / De Jong / Milner / Barry / Adebayor / Johnson / Nasri / Cavan


That's worse starting eleven than we have now. And you have way too many players on the bench.

People just casually say "replace Dzeko with Neymar". Now Dzeko has had some dodgy moments but he has still contributed with 17 goals this season. Neymar is small and soft bag of shite who has only ever done it in currently weak Brazilian league. And while I can't claim to have followed Brazilian league through any more than highlights in recent years, it seems he is having down year even there.

It's crap like that that makes me think some of our supporters are seriously spoiled. I mean, I'm sure there are better strikers than Dzeko but it's not video game either.

Then is that Cheick Tiote in the middle? I like the feller but we already have likes of Barry, De Jong and Milner. I'm not sure he'd be upgrade on any of them.

Eden Hazard = Samir Nasri.

Spending for the sake of player turnover isn't going to improve us at this stage.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby ant london » Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:45 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Spending for the sake of player turnover isn't going to improve us at this stage.


Agree with that 100%.

There are a few tweaks to be made. There are players who we all know will be leaving. Some of the other "possibles" (such as Kolo/Johnson etc) should only be sold if we have already targeted and think we will be able to bring in real quality upgrades.

Otherwise the main spending we need to do it for the purposes of depth.

Dzeko is a tricky one. If this question had been posed three months ago I'd say there was no chance we'd even accept a good offer but his form has been patchy at best since just pre-xmas and I think the big issue is that there are a lot of clubs who would have him in a heartbeat as unlike Adebayor/Tevez he appears to come with no baggage (...well, apart from PALUS) and I think he will have already been approached by the likes of Bayern/Milan and that if they make offers we'll let him go.

If we then assume that we will finally sell Tevez then, I'm sorry, replacing two strikers of their value and quality in a summer's business is going to be a very tough ask....never mind those who you who think we could get replace three and still continue to progress smoothly on from this season
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:28 am

ant london wrote:If we then assume that we will finally sell Tevez then, I'm sorry, replacing two strikers of their value and quality in a summer's business is going to be a very tough ask....never mind those who you who think we could get replace three and still continue to progress smoothly on from this season


That's the thing. It's fucking easy to say that sell Dzeko and Tevez and bring in Messi and Benzema. That might happen in some video game but that's not how things work in real life.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby lets all have a disco » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:04 am

Would i sell Dzeko?

YES,100% BACK TO GERMANY.

Would it be hard to find a player of better quality? No,Darren bent is a better striker.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:08 am

lets all have a disco wrote:Would i sell Dzeko?

YES,100% BACK TO GERMANY.

Would it be hard to find a player of better quality? No,Darren bent is a better striker.


No he isn't. Certainly not for team like us. Bent is classic big fish in a small pond player. He is star when everything is geared towards him scoring goals but was huge disappointment when in Tottenham he was asked to participate to overall play.
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Re: Players who can change us this summer

Postby Blue Since 76 » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:15 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
No he isn't. Certainly not for team like us. Bent is classic big fish in a small pond player. He is star when everything is geared towards him scoring goals but was huge disappointment when in Tottenham he was asked to participate to overall play.


Are you describing Bent or Dzeko?

Bent did fail to deliver in his one chance at a big club (Sunderland were struggling when he was there and Villa has fallen apart) and I wouldn't want him. However, I think there are similarities between him and Dzeko - both have decent goals to games statistics but generally offer absolutely nothing else besides the goals. If you want to carry them and play that way it's fine, but I'd you have a team needing a pressing game they're both a waste of time
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