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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:52 am

Seanyod wrote:Yeah the same bunch who barely played for 80 min. The same bunch who couldn't be arsed against Swansea . Who didn't make 1 more chance after we scored against Stoke . When its come to putting that bit extra in when we needed it they not done it. It's all well and good having talent. Bit that alone don't win titles


You honestly think that those results were down to the players not trying ? Nothing to do with just not playing well enough ? If they had tried, they would have just won all three ?
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Seanyod » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:01 pm

I believe they were trying, don't get me wrong. But at this stage of the season a bit extra is required . As iv said in another thread. Have u seen one player screaming at the other some encouragement . Did any stick an arm round savic when made a mistake against Swansea . Even look at Mancini when we scores the second on sat. Wasn't arses. When we got the the third , up again. I expect more from a lot of them
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:05 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Seanyod wrote:Yeah the same bunch who barely played for 80 min. The same bunch who couldn't be arsed against Swansea . Who didn't make 1 more chance after we scored against Stoke . When its come to putting that bit extra in when we needed it they not done it. It's all well and good having talent. Bit that alone don't win titles


You honestly think that those results were down to the players not trying ? Nothing to do with just not playing well enough ? If they had tried, they would have just won all three ?

I think if you look at the stats from those games, including Sunderland, we had more attempts than any of them. Which says to me, it's not the effort, it's our eratic shooting.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:12 pm

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Seanyod wrote:Yeah the same bunch who barely played for 80 min. The same bunch who couldn't be arsed against Swansea . Who didn't make 1 more chance after we scored against Stoke . When its come to putting that bit extra in when we needed it they not done it. It's all well and good having talent. Bit that alone don't win titles


You honestly think that those results were down to the players not trying ? Nothing to do with just not playing well enough ? If they had tried, they would have just won all three ?

I think if you look at the stats from those games, including Sunderland, we had more attempts than any of them. Which says to me, it's not the effort, it's our eratic shooting.


Imo we let in bad goals v Swansea & Sunderland & Stoke scored with a fluke.

We haven't been anything like our best going forward but we've let in four really awful goals which I would expect our full strength defence (& midfield) to stop easily. The same happened v Sporting.

The injuries & suspensions to Vinny & Lescott have been the root of our problems imo, undermining the team.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Seanyod » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:12 pm

We prob did but watch the games a couple of times. Very few clear cut chances. Stats can be turned into whatever. For example a lame kolorov shot into the keepers hands is a shot on target. Not dismissing any of the points but my point is about drive and determination. Maybe I'm wrong . But I personally don't see it. Like I said. Me personally I expect more
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:16 pm

Seanyod wrote:We prob did but watch the games a couple of times. Very few clear cut chances. Stats can be turned into whatever. For example a lame kolorov shot into the keepers hands is a shot on target. Not dismissing any of the points but my point is about drive and determination. Maybe I'm wrong . But I personally don't see it. Like I said. Me personally I expect more


I think the opposite.

I think we have struggled for form but have shown fantastic spirit to fight back.

Earlier in the season, when we were battering everybody, I said at the time that my biggest question was whether we would have what it takes to fight back if we went behind. I think we have proved now that we do have that & it bodes well for the future. We have proved we are capable of the same kind of comebacks which the rags are famous for.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Seanyod » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:26 pm

Yeah fair dos . Respect the opinion but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. All in all it's most of our first ever title races so plenty to learn for everyone at the club.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:36 pm

Seanyod wrote:Yeah fair dos . Respect the opinion but we will have to agree to disagree on this one. All in all it's most of our first ever title races so plenty to learn for everyone at the club.


It's back on if we win this weekend.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Seanyod » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:41 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
It's back on if we win this weekend.


I hope u are right
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Im_Spartacus » Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:57 pm

Just come across this on a blog in the independent. Not sure whether to applaud the research or whether its clutching straws. But im sure it adds to the debate.




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We studied the last six competitive games of United’s seasons since the creation of the Premier League 20 years ago – games once the title had been decided were discounted.

Over the previous 19 completed Premier League seasons, United have taken an average of 12.9 points from the available 18, showing that United tend to drop five points in their last six competitive games. In fact, in four of the last six seasons they’ve done exactly that, winning four, drawing one and losing one.

Should that happen this season, and if City won all their games, both teams would end the season on 92 points, and the league title would be decided on goal difference (which City are currently ahead on by virtue of a single goal)."
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Original Dub » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:01 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:Just come across this on a blog in the independent. Not sure whether to applaud the research or whether its clutching straws. But im sure it adds to the debate.




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We studied the last six competitive games of United’s seasons since the creation of the Premier League 20 years ago – games once the title had been decided were discounted.

Over the previous 19 completed Premier League seasons, United have taken an average of 12.9 points from the available 18, showing that United tend to drop five points in their last six competitive games. In fact, in four of the last six seasons they’ve done exactly that, winning four, drawing one and losing one.

Should that happen this season, and if City won all their games, both teams would end the season on 92 points, and the league title would be decided on goal difference (which City are currently ahead on by virtue of a single goal)."


Also, presuming we beat them, it would add at least two goals to the difference in our favour.

Its still well on. We shouldn't be in this position, but we are and what you've just posted should tell the likes of those who think its as easy to win the lotto as it is for the rags to drop points, that they're full of shit.

They are favourites to win the title. Not shoe-ins.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:14 pm

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

This Arsenal game could change the whole thing & half our fans aren't fucking arsed about it. It's not a pie in the sky thing, it's a genuine possibility, maybe even probability that we are right back in a 50/50 title race if we win at the Emirates.

It's a really hard game which could decide the outcome of our season & we need every ounce of positivity we can get from everyone at the club. Arsenal will be right up for this & we need to be, it's crucial.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby dazby » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:16 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:No, but you're all just having blind faith at the moment. Do any of you seriously expect QPR to take anything? Maybe it could happen, but I could also win the lottery. it's just so unlikely.


Jesus you are so far up their arse.

I expect QPR to continue their amazing form reversal and do them. I also expect agents Barton, Onouha and Wright-Phillips to kick the living shit out of them putting Shrek, Young, Valencia and two of the pensioners out for the rest of the season. Then they will be fucked.

Anything can happen mate and if this season is anything to go by, it will.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby carolina-blue » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:25 pm

This Is the kind of Shit Ted Is on about , Article from the muen ( unsigned article at that) Had Ushited lost the other night, do you think this would have been written about them would it Fuck

With seven games to go, the Blues aren’t just fighting to stay in the Premier League title race.

There are some players, and maybe even the manager, who are battling for their very futures at the Etihad Stadium.

That may seem a harsh assessment as we approach the end of one of the most exhilarating seasons in City’s history, chock-full of stunning football and record-breaking form.

But amid all that positivity, there are plenty of questions to be asked, and when the club owners and management team gather in Abu Dhabi in June to review the season, those questions WILL be asked.

Mancini’s management will be under scrutiny, and so will the ability of some of his players to get City to the elite level.

Of course, the whole mood of that meeting will be very different if the Blues can gird their loins, win at Arsenal on Sunday and scrap their way back into contention.



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Between now and that crunch match at the Emirates, there are a few players who need to sit down and ask themselves if they want to be part of a bright Blue future. If they do, they need to show it on the pitch starting on Sunday.

Here, M.E.N. Sport looks at the prospects for Mancini and his players in the next month.

Manager

In some ways, Roberto Mancini has been his own worst enemy. By masterminding a brilliant start to the season, the City boss set standards which he has since struggled to maintain.

His brief was to improve on last season, but also to win at least one trophy.

There is little doubt that City HAVE improved, but if they don’t beat the odds and win the league, the Blues will end the season empty-handed.

Questions will be asked about his handling of the Carlos Tevez affair, the behaviour of Mario Balotelli, and some of his decisions at key parts of the season.

But City also have to ask themselves if they want to continue the revolving door policy which has hindered their progress for the last 25 years.

Mancini was seen as the man to take the Blues forward, and he has advanced the cause.

Now he needs to find a way of firing up his players for one last push, as in recent weeks they have not looked like a team ready to rip the doors from their hinges as they seek to catch United.

But the fact is that Sir Alex Ferguson would be a happy man if the Blues got rid of Mancini in the summer – and that says it all.

Goalkeeper

Joe Hart has established himself as the best keeper in England and has been a key factor in why the Blues are still breathing in the title race.

Now he needs to keep that focus – there are still important saves to make.

Defence

City's best back four – Micah Richards, Vincent Kompany, Joleon Lescott and Gael Clichy – is a strong one.

The problem comes when players are out, with Kompany especially being missed during recent suspension and injury.

Clichy is almost certain to improve in his second season, and Pablo Zabaleta is a tremendous player – City could do with bottling his attitude and giving a few doses to certain others.

Kolo Toure has also been a good back-up, even if he has not played as often as he would like.

It is to be hoped that Stefan Savic’s nervous appearances are down to his youthful inexperience rather than his ability.

Perhaps more than any other defender Aleks Kolarov has points to prove.

He often seems to be included for his set-piece specialisation and his attacking ability down the left, but we have not seen enough come from either facet of his play, and some of his defending has been poor.

Midfield

An area which has been City’s biggest strength for two seasons is now looking jaded and half-hearted.

It would be harsh to measure the contributions of David Silva, Yaya Toure and Gareth Barry over the displays of the last month or two, as they were brilliant earlier in the season.

But there are others who have the talent to make a difference in the closing stages of the season.

James Milner is a model pro who made big strides in the first half of the season but has been strangely under-used recently. He could be vital in the next few weeks.

Nigel de Jong was a star in Mancini’s more conservative side of last season, but needs a couple of big performances if he is intent on staying in the manager’s plans.

Adam Johnson helped rescue a draw against Sunderland as a sub, but if he is to be the answer to City’s need for pace out wide, he must show more.

Attack

Stories about top scorer Sergio Aguero being unhappy are being dismissed by City sources, and the player himself has recently expressed his contentment with life in Manchester.

That is just as well, as Aguero is perhaps the only one of the four strikers with a guaranteed place in the squad next season.

Mancini is adamant he will stick by Mario Balotelli, but a big offer from Italy would be tempting for the club – unless the youngster grows up quickly in these last few games.

Carlos Tevez’s reintroduction was always seen as a temporary measure, and there will be moves to shift him from the wage bill again this summer.

Perhaps the most intriguing question surrounds Edin Dzeko, who has suitors in Germany, Italy and Spain and has not reached his potential with City.

The situation is crying out for a hero, and any one of those four strikers could be the man.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Blue Since 76 » Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:46 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
It's not just a possibility, it's a decent bet. That kind of shit happens more often than not in title races & the whole rag propoganda machine has been in absolutely full flow to try & brainwash people into believing that even if we beat the rags, it doesn't matter.

To the doubters: The surprise isn't if the rags drop points, it's if they DON'T you stupid brainwashed fucks.

What they are trying to do, is to get us to lie down, so when Sunderland beat them, it doesn't fucking matter. That's what it's all about & it's got half of the people on here by the fucking balls.

Tokyo fucking Rose & Lord HawHaw have spoken: "give up now, there's no point in trying, it's all over, just lie down, everyone does it, you will feel better, join us, join us. Why fight when you have nothing to fight for, it's easier this way "

Some of you have been absolutely arse fucked by the rag Ferguson media machine to look upon an opposition team which has lost at home to Blackburn, & could easily have lost to them again just two days ago, with more belief than you have in your own team.

Sure, if Arsenal beat us, then it needs an unlikely amount of capitulation by the rags in order for us to win the title. In that case, those of you who have decided you would rather whinge like little fucking girls rather than get behind the team, can wallow in your comfort zone of finger pointing & self harm.

If however, we actually beat Arsenal, the rags (who think they have the title sewn up) are suddenly in the position where THEY are the team under pressure. We are suddenly in a position where we have our mojo back & go into the run in with nothing to lose & everything to gain. They are the team who can 'blow it', they are the team who, if they lose at our place, suddenly see their possible 8 point lead back down to two points & perhaps HAVE to win at Sunderland on the last day of the season.

They didn't manage to win at fucking Blackburn on the last day of last season.

If this situation was reversed, all the usual rag apologists would be on here talking about their 'experience' & how the wheels could come off if we lose at their place & how it's not over.

Grow some fucking testicles & try to put some positivity into the air for this weekend. Every fucking media outlet is wanking themselves into a coma with anti City propoganda to try & get the rags over the line. They are doing that because they KNOW from EXPERIENCE that it's NOT OVER if we win this game.

This is the cup final all over again. Get yourselves up for it and support your fucking team.


I've said before Ted that the rags recently got results where we hoped and perhaps expected they wouldn't - Spurs, Chelsea and arsenal. That came at the same time as the start if our drop in form and perhaps there is a link. No one really expects us to beat arsenal or Norwich away. If we do, their nerves will start, as they know a dodgy decision (unlikely) or a missed chance could cost them. I think if we'd beat Sunderland they'd have struggled more against Blackburn, as they'd have had to win. As it was, they could afford a draw, hence no pressure, hence they won.

Let's win all our games. If we get 92 points and they still beat us on goal difference or points then fair play, they deserve it.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:22 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:Just come across this on a blog in the independent. Not sure whether to applaud the research or whether its clutching straws. But im sure it adds to the debate.




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We studied the last six competitive games of United’s seasons since the creation of the Premier League 20 years ago – games once the title had been decided were discounted.

Over the previous 19 completed Premier League seasons, United have taken an average of 12.9 points from the available 18, showing that United tend to drop five points in their last six competitive games. In fact, in four of the last six seasons they’ve done exactly that, winning four, drawing one and losing one.

Should that happen this season, and if City won all their games, both teams would end the season on 92 points, and the league title would be decided on goal difference (which City are currently ahead on by virtue of a single goal)."

It is a nice thought but even me as the optimist is still wary of these stats. What they don't take into account is how many points their opposition have dropped. Saying we win all our games is so flippant and even if we go off our start of the season form then we could be looking at 19 points, which would leave us 2 short.

These games are not played out by crunching the numbers though and in the heat of it anything can happen. United lost a 12 point lead to Arsenal back in the day but followed the next season by taking the crown. We'll just have to watch and see.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby DoomMerchant » Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:42 pm

this is retarded, but i had a dream on a cross country redeye flight last night that we won the league on goal difference after beating Sparky 8-0 on the final day where the filth lost 2-1 to Sunderland.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:35 pm

The point is, that anything can happen in these situations & usually does. It hardly ever just runs smoothly for one team.

This is our biggest one off game since the Cup final. If we don't believe we can win it, or we think we're out of the title race, Arsenal will turn us over & I'll tel you what will happen next; the rags will drop fucking points & we'll realise we just spunked the title because they told us it was over.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby DoomMerchant » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:41 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:The point is, that anything can happen in these situations & usually does. It hardly ever just runs smoothly for one team.

This is our biggest one off game since the Cup final. If we don't believe we can win it, or we think we're out of the title race, Arsenal will turn us over & I'll tel you what will happen next; the rags will drop fucking points & we'll realise we just spunked the title because they told us it was over.


eggsackly.

what will mancini be telling the players now? how do you get them to avoid the noise that's impacting all of our conversations? sure, they are professionals, and are used to media bollox...but this is a total pressure cooker.

One game to save our lives. Will Mancini work them up to a foaming-at-the-mouth, rabid dog rage to get out and show something or will he be cool as an "esss normull" cucumber and think his tactics will win the day?

im interested to see if he comes out swashbuckling at the end of the week and gets a little salty. His team needs to see him emblazoned with a thirst to win this title if we have any hope.
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Re: The Arsenal Game

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:13 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:The point is, that anything can happen in these situations & usually does. It hardly ever just runs smoothly for one team.

This is our biggest one off game since the Cup final. If we don't believe we can win it, or we think we're out of the title race, Arsenal will turn us over & I'll tel you what will happen next; the rags will drop fucking points & we'll realise we just spunked the title because they told us it was over.


eggsackly.

what will mancini be telling the players now? how do you get them to avoid the noise that's impacting all of our conversations? sure, they are professionals, and are used to media bollox...but this is a total pressure cooker.

One game to save our lives. Will Mancini work them up to a foaming-at-the-mouth, rabid dog rage to get out and show something or will he be cool as an "esss normull" cucumber and think his tactics will win the day?

im interested to see if he comes out swashbuckling at the end of the week and gets a little salty. His team needs to see him emblazoned with a thirst to win this title if we have any hope.


Well he's won most of the big one off games in recent times.

This is an intriguing one because in theory this is a normal game of football away from home against a side which is trying to beat us, rather than just trying to fuck us over and get whatever they can. They are in the best run of form for ages at home, at full strength & favourites for this, so it could actually be that a solid, mundane, early days Bob performance is required, at least initially.

Where we take the edge off them, impose our game & then kill them off, like the cup semi v rags. The important thing is not to panic & to be ready to change tactics quickly if whatever we start with doesn't work.

Personally, I would like us to keep it tight, with Silva on the bench, play our slow boring passing game, hit them on the counter, then if we're not in front, chuck the fucking kitchen sink at them for the last 30 mins, perhaps withn Silva. We know how to score doing that now so it's not that risky to hope for a late goal or two.
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