Joe Hart on Balotelli's red card

[Grob]

Our away form has completely collapsed since November and we've exited 4 competitions since the turn of the year with no finals.

The main gist the dissenters were making was that having had a wank away record for months,

Look at our away record in February.

Look at our away form in March

Look at our away form in January

Look at our away form so far in April

Look at our away form in December, even

[Tokyo Blue]

Our away form has completely collapsed since November and we've exited 4 competitions since the turn of the year with no finals.

The main gist the dissenters were making was that having had a wank away record for months,

Look at our away record in February.

Look at our away form in March

Look at our away form in January

Look at our away form so far in April

Look at our away form in December, even

OK, seeing as it's you, mate.

No pen given for clear foul on Silva - denial of a goalscoring opportunity would demand a red card also - plus pen wrongly given against Lescott at Chelsea.

Offside goal for Sunderland allowed to stand.

City goal disallowed for offside v West Brom which was not offside.

Penalty wrongly given for Liverpool in the League Cup at Anfield.

Penalty wrongly given for Swansea. Richards' goal might have been given for certain teams. No "benefit of the doubt to the attacking team" for us, I note.

Freak goal for Stoke, Stoke players allowed to repeatedly target Silva, elbow in the side of the head on Dave unpunished, ref simply laughs in Silva's face when questioned about what should have been a simple red card decision. For an honest referee of course.

Song challenge worthy of at least a yellow, if not more, unpunished.

Add to this, the incredible stats like us getting 5 free-kicks in 90 minutes v such wonderful cultured football teams as Wolves and Bolton. The filth play 9 times v ten men, we get that luxury once - and look what happened then. They get 7 penalties away and we get 0, even when we were good - nothing. Five of their penalties result in sendings off, including the wrongly given ones, cf Sunday. None of ours do. Strange that.

Funnily enough, much less of this kind of thing has happened at home. I wonder why. Perhaps because the likes of messrs webb and atkinson would be in fear of their lives if they did. I note however that it does not seem to deter messrs mason and foy, who between them cost us a chance in both cups at home. And strangely those two are ref and fourth official for tonight's game.

The cumulative effect of all this is enormous both in terms of possession within the match (keep giving Bolton the ball and they will eventually do something useful with it) and on the mentality of the team as a whole. It does not make you stronger and it does not even itself out over the season. It makes you wonder why the fucking hell you get out of bed in the morning to do your job.

Anyone who claims this season has been a level playing field can just fuck off, I'm, afraid. If the players have "given up" as some claim, is it that surprising? And since most of you lot gave up several weeks ago, you are in no position whatsoever to criticise the management or players for doing the same.

[Im_Spartacus]

OK, seeing as it's you, mate.

No pen given for clear foul on Silva - denial of a goalscoring opportunity would demand a red card also - plus pen wrongly given against Lescott at Chelsea.

Offside goal for Sunderland allowed to stand.

City goal disallowed for offside v West Brom which was not offside.

Penalty wrongly given for Liverpool in the League Cup at Anfield.

Penalty wrongly given for Swansea. Richards' goal might have been given for certain teams. No "benefit of the doubt to the attacking team" for us, I note.

Freak goal for Stoke, Stoke players allowed to repeatedly target Silva, elbow in the side of the head on Dave unpunished, ref simply laughs in Silva's face when questioned about what should have been a simple red card decision. For an honest referee of course.

Song challenge worthy of at least a yellow, if not more, unpunished.

Add to this, the incredible stats like us getting 5 free-kicks in 90 minutes v such wonderful cultured football teams as Wolves and Bolton. The filth play 9 times v ten men, we get that luxury once - and look what happened then. They get 7 penalties away and we get 0, even when we were good - nothing. Five of their penalties result in sendings off, including the wrongly given ones, cf Sunday. None of ours do. Strange that.

Funnily enough, much less of this kind of thing has happened at home. I wonder why. Perhaps because the likes of messrs webb and atkinson would be in fear of their lives if they did. I note however that it does not seem to deter messrs mason and foy, who between them cost us a chance in both cups at home. And strangely those two are ref and fourth official for tonight's game.

The cumulative effect of all this is enormous both in terms of possession within the match (keep giving Bolton the ball and they will eventually do something useful with it) and on the mentality of the team as a whole. It does not make you stronger and it does not even itself out over the season. It makes you wonder why the fucking hell you get out of bed in the morning to do your job.

Anyone who claims this season has been a level playing field can just fuck off, I'm, afraid. If the players have "given up" as some claim, is it that surprising? And since most of you lot gave up several weeks ago, you are in no position whatsoever to criticise the management or players for doing the same.

And people wonder where the term bitter blue comes from.

We do not get penalties away because we spend little or no time camped out in the oppositions box away from home. 2 goals from open play in 5 months is evidence enough for that.

At home we spend lots of time in and around the box, which is why we have been awarded more penalties than anyone else.

Honestly, i know some of this is frustrating, but jesus man, you create your own luck on penalties by being in the opposition box more often

[Grob]

Our away form has completely collapsed since November and we've exited 4 competitions since the turn of the year with no finals.

The main gist the dissenters were making was that having had a wank away record for months,

Look at our away record in February.

Look at our away form in March

Look at our away form in January

Look at our away form so far in April

Look at our away form in December, even

OK, seeing as it's you, mate.

No pen given for clear foul on Silva - denial of a goalscoring opportunity would demand a red card also - plus pen wrongly given against Lescott at Chelsea.

Offside goal for Sunderland allowed to stand.

City goal disallowed for offside v West Brom which was not offside.

Penalty wrongly given for Liverpool in the League Cup at Anfield.

Penalty wrongly given for Swansea. Richards' goal might have been given for certain teams. No "benefit of the doubt to the attacking team" for us, I note.

Freak goal for Stoke, Stoke players allowed to repeatedly target Silva, elbow in the side of the head on Dave unpunished, ref simply laughs in Silva's face when questioned about what should have been a simple red card decision. For an honest referee of course.

Song challenge worthy of at least a yellow, if not more, unpunished.

Add to this, the incredible stats like us getting 5 free-kicks in 90 minutes v such wonderful cultured football teams as Wolves and Bolton. The filth play 9 times v ten men, we get that luxury once - and look what happened then. They get 7 penalties away and we get 0, even when we were good - nothing. Five of their penalties result in sendings off, including the wrongly given ones, cf Sunday. None of ours do. Strange that.

Funnily enough, much less of this kind of thing has happened at home. I wonder why. Perhaps because the likes of messrs webb and atkinson would be in fear of their lives if they did. I note however that it does not seem to deter messrs mason and foy, who between them cost us a chance in both cups at home. And strangely those two are ref and fourth official for tonight's game.

The cumulative effect of all this is enormous both in terms of possession within the match (keep giving Bolton the ball and they will eventually do something useful with it) and on the mentality of the team as a whole. It does not make you stronger and it does not even itself out over the season. It makes you wonder why the fucking hell you get out of bed in the morning to do your job.

Anyone who claims this season has been a level playing field can just fuck off, I'm, afraid. If the players have "given up" as some claim, is it that surprising? And since most of you lot gave up several weeks ago, you are in no position whatsoever to criticise the management or players for doing the same.

Cant disagree with the evidence above, I can only think of 2 slices of luck we have had and thats Mario not getting sent off for stamping on Parker and Johnson conning a pen in the Fulham home game. Not sur if there are any others.

The usual rule of thumb is that it evens itself over a season, the evidence suggests not though when you measure our fortune/misfortune against United.

Wigan had a legitiate disallowed goal ruled out tonight aswell by all accounts.

As for your last point, I certainly havent given up thank you very much and I hadnt before tonights result either. Until its mathematically impossible ill never say never. But the likelihood is we will finish second, the position we are in now, so why not debate accrordingly. Theres nothing wrong with that. Just becase some posters dont show blind faith at all times that doesnt mean they should be shouted down.

Incidently, the players and management team sure did look like they'd given up at Arsenel would you not agree?