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Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:39 pm

john68 wrote:You are right Slim, as fans, we are powerless to do anything but spectate, speculate and maybe try and calculate and project what may or may not happen. Beyond that, we are wholly dependent on how the wise men you refer to at City act and respond to the situation as it changes. As fans we have the luxury of being able to sit and pick our arses, our wise men don't.

For me, the biggest and more important issue is the campaign by a small group of clubs to gain influence and control over the global game. Though the FFPR issues (domestic and Europe) seem to be more immediate, current and grabbing the headlines, this campaign is silently and subversively continuing successfully and not being addressed. I have tried to stress that the FFPR shit is only a small defensive tool being used to protect their bigger gains.

Though balancing our books and complying, coming up with extra income or mounting some form of legal challenge may be the immediate problem, this battle must be viewed in a much wider context. City are battling to be accepted. Balancing the books may get us through the door but we still remain at odds with football's major powers. We remain friendless at the top and therefore our longer term interests are vulnerable to future attack. Politically in football we are seen as pariahs that threaten the elite old order that must be stopped.

This latest round of domestic FFPR crap means our wise men have a long way to go yet.


We are not the main target of this anymore. We may have been initially, but we are now just one of a group of clubs in that position, most of which will still be around with or without ffpr. PSG are the club who are flounting this more than anyone.

Slowing down our operation is of course desirable to the rags, but the bigger picture involves finding a way to protect Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs & similar elitest, corrupt, slimeball clubs in other countries.

They are already struggling because of us & Chelsea but it only need Everton & Newcastle to get a few quid & they're fucked; the Champions League system they invented in order to pull away from competition, will be closed to them. Their whole business model will be down the toilet.

They are pushing Platini to extend the Champions League & then they can attempt to pull up the drawbridge by bringing in restrictions to stop anyone else getting in. That's what this is mainly about now. They are worried that City could push up transfer fees further & ruin their profit making schemes, & would like to keep us at bay, of course but that's not the main point; they don't care if the rags win the league or if City win it, so long as their income is protected. The fact it plays into the rags' hands & handicaps us is not the main objective, apart from for the rags, who are lapping it up.
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Re: Stuart Brennan: the truth about M.U.F.C.F.F.P.

Postby Slim » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:46 pm

john68 wrote:You are right Slim, as fans, we are powerless to do anything but spectate, speculate and maybe try and calculate and project what may or may not happen. Beyond that, we are wholly dependent on how the wise men you refer to at City act and respond to the situation as it changes. As fans we have the luxury of being able to sit and pick our arses, our wise men don't.

For me, the biggest and more important issue is the campaign by a small group of clubs to gain influence and control over the global game. Though the FFPR issues (domestic and Europe) seem to be more immediate, current and grabbing the headlines, this campaign is silently and subversively continuing successfully and not being addressed. I have tried to stress that the FFPR shit is only a small defensive tool being used to protect their bigger gains.

Though balancing our books and complying, coming up with extra income or mounting some form of legal challenge may be the immediate problem, this battle must be viewed in a much wider context. City are battling to be accepted. Balancing the books may get us through the door but we still remain at odds with football's major powers. We remain friendless at the top and therefore our longer term interests are vulnerable to future attack. Politically in football we are seen as pariahs that threaten the elite old order that must be stopped.

This latest round of domestic FFPR crap means our wise men have a long way to go yet.


I realise that's all we do here and I am not saying don't, but if it gets you agitated thinking and posting about it then you can take solace in the fact it's out of our hands anyway.
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Re: Stuart Brennan: the truth about M.U.F.C.F.F.P.

Postby john68 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:05 pm

Slim wrote:
john68 wrote:You are right Slim, as fans, we are powerless to do anything but spectate, speculate and maybe try and calculate and project what may or may not happen. Beyond that, we are wholly dependent on how the wise men you refer to at City act and respond to the situation as it changes. As fans we have the luxury of being able to sit and pick our arses, our wise men don't.

For me, the biggest and more important issue is the campaign by a small group of clubs to gain influence and control over the global game. Though the FFPR issues (domestic and Europe) seem to be more immediate, current and grabbing the headlines, this campaign is silently and subversively continuing successfully and not being addressed. I have tried to stress that the FFPR shit is only a small defensive tool being used to protect their bigger gains.

Though balancing our books and complying, coming up with extra income or mounting some form of legal challenge may be the immediate problem, this battle must be viewed in a much wider context. City are battling to be accepted. Balancing the books may get us through the door but we still remain at odds with football's major powers. We remain friendless at the top and therefore our longer term interests are vulnerable to future attack. Politically in football we are seen as pariahs that threaten the elite old order that must be stopped.

This latest round of domestic FFPR crap means our wise men have a long way to go yet.


I realise that's all we do here and I am not saying don't, but if it gets you agitated thinking and posting about it then you can take solace in the fact it's out of our hands anyway.


Valuable point made and already taken Mate, Thanks.
It wasn't the issue nor the details of it that got me agitated mate. I found that part interesting. I also enjoyed the research and gathering of knowledge. Bringing what I found to the table for others was a pleasure...Nutting brick walls was painful. I will leave it at that....:-)
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Postby Crossie » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:29 pm

Why have they only just started moaning officially?

We were spending crazy money from 2009 onwards, why not protest then?

Its only the cry babies losing the league with the last kick of the game that have given this any sort of clout.

If this goes through I'll finish my interest in football.

bitter fucking jealous mother fucking bastards.
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Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:09 pm

Crossie wrote:Why have they only just started moaning officially?

We were spending crazy money from 2009 onwards, why not protest then?

Its only the cry babies losing the league with the last kick of the game that have given this any sort of clout.

If this goes through I'll finish my interest in football.

bitter fucking jealous mother fucking bastards.


Sadly I feel very similar. If we can't compete cos were shit, big deal we support through thick and thin.

If we stopped from competing I'm not sure what the point is.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:17 pm

It's all sour grapes. We must piss them off more than their oversized haemorrhoids.
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:23 pm

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Crossie wrote:Why have they only just started moaning officially?

We were spending crazy money from 2009 onwards, why not protest then?

Its only the cry babies losing the league with the last kick of the game that have given this any sort of clout.

If this goes through I'll finish my interest in football.

bitter fucking jealous mother fucking bastards.


Sadly I feel very similar. If we can't compete cos were shit, big deal we support through thick and thin.

If we stopped from competing I'm not sure what the point is.

That's the question all fans should be asking themselves. But as most will never be in a position to challenge they'll quite happily back measures that will guarantee they'll never be in a position to challenge. This is what Nietzsche called Ressentiment, although I think he was a Notts County fan at the time....
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Postby Ironpot » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:14 am

fantastic journalism for sure but the truth is that the risk being carried by the Glazers bankers is probably giving them heartburn and is the driver behind this proposal.

when they negotiated the MUFC loans it probably appeared to them to be nice bit of business but it must now appear to them increasingly risky as Fergie ages and I reckon this is simply just a bit of cat-skinning on the Glazers behalf:-
    On the face of it MUFC has poor succession planning in place should Fergie keel over tomorrow - even little farms are better prepared.
    What happens if RvP has a serious injury?
    Another season like 2012 may just be the start of a lean cycle for them - the worst case for them is that MUFC do a Blackburn
    etc etc
Bankers do not like these risks and have probably put pressure on the MUFC and Liverpool boards to come up with a solution to make these risks more manageable (not sure about Arsenal!) Next one will be no relegation!!

The senior execs of League clubs are, by and large, very successful guys (including Gill) and they WILL see through this shite - in any case it wouldn't affect City or Chelsea but what's the chances of say a Notts Forest or Southampton displacing Utd sometime in the future and MUFC being unable to repay their bonds? Frightening!!??
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Postby zuricity » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:36 am

Ironpot wrote:fantastic journalism for sure but the truth is that the risk being carried by the Glazers bankers is probably giving them heartburn and is the driver behind this proposal.

when they negotiated the MUFC loans it probably appeared to them to be nice bit of business but it must now appear to them increasingly risky as Fergie ages and I reckon this is simply just a bit of cat-skinning on the Glazers behalf:-
On the face of it MUFC has poor succession planning in place should Fergie keel over tomorrow - even little farms are better prepared.
What happens if RvP has a serious injury?
Another season like 2012 may just be the start of a lean cycle for them - the worst case for them is that MUFC do a Blackburn
etc etc
Bankers do not like these risks and have probably put pressure on the MUFC and Liverpool boards to come up with a solution to make these risks more manageable (not sure about Arsenal!) Next one will be no relegation!!

The senior execs of League clubs are, by and large, very successful guys (including Gill) and they WILL see through this shite - in any case it wouldn't affect City or Chelsea but what's the chances of say a Notts Forest or Southampton displacing Utd sometime in the future and MUFC being unable to repay their bonds? Frightening!!??


Perhaps Mr. Brennan could enlighten us and explain why it took him so long to see what is perfectly obvious to most people. Simply that FFP will not work.
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Postby john68 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:36 pm

Surely FFPR workin or not would wholly depend on your aims. As a means to fair play, obviously not but as a means to protect their ill gotten gains, if passed could be just the reverse.
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:51 pm

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Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Will they have enough votes to get this passed in the Premier League?

Reportedly, ourselves, Chelsea, WBA, Fulham and Everton are against it.

I can't imagine QPR's owners being too keen on the idea.

That leaves one more to convince to join the light side of the force.


They can have as many votes as they like if a judge tells them its all bolloks it will not matter.

Something similar happened to Chelsea when UEFA banned them from purchasing players. They took it to court and that was end of the ban.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:54 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Will they have enough votes to get this passed in the Premier League?

Reportedly, ourselves, Chelsea, WBA, Fulham and Everton are against it.

I can't imagine QPR's owners being too keen on the idea.

That leaves one more to convince to join the light side of the force.


They can have as many votes as they like if a judge tells them its all bolloks it will not matter.

Something similar happened to Chelsea when UEFA banned them from purchasing players. They took it to court and that was end of the ban.

The proposals for the PL FFP will help them resolve this problem as they can claim a restriction on buying players would affect both leagues so therefore wouldn't cause any due harm in just the one. Equal across the board.
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Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:01 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Will they have enough votes to get this passed in the Premier League?

Reportedly, ourselves, Chelsea, WBA, Fulham and Everton are against it.

I can't imagine QPR's owners being too keen on the idea.

That leaves one more to convince to join the light side of the force.


They can have as many votes as they like if a judge tells them its all bolloks it will not matter.

Something similar happened to Chelsea when UEFA banned them from purchasing players. They took it to court and that was end of the ban.

The proposals for the PL FFP will help them resolve this problem as they can claim a restriction on buying players would affect both leagues so therefore wouldn't cause any due harm in just the one. Equal across the board.

On the other hand, restriction in trade in one jurisdiction applies to the other. It is illegal.
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Postby zuricity » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:13 pm

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:On the other hand, restriction in trade in one jurisdiction applies to the other. It is illegal.


Who the f*ck do these premier leages clubs think they are? There are four leagues . What gives ManU or anyone else the right to tell an owner of a club like Bury for example, to stay a small club ? It is the height of arrogance, nay stupidity, to completely disrespect the way football has developed over many, many decades.

Sheffield weds might not be great right now, but they were once and who knows, with good investment and not leeches like the Glazers or our very own Swales. They might come good again
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Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:34 pm

zuricity wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:On the other hand, restriction in trade in one jurisdiction applies to the other. It is illegal.


Who the f*ck do these premier leages clubs think they are? There are four leagues . What gives ManU or anyone else the right to tell an owner of a club like Bury for example, to stay a small club ? It is the height of arrogance, nay stupidity, to completely disrespect the way football has developed over many, many decades.

Sheffield weds might not be great right now, but they were once and who knows, with good investment and not leeches like the Glazers or our very own Swales. They might come good again


This hits the nail right on the head.

They are deeply offended by us being able to spend more money than them & think it's 'unfair' , but they never had a problem with putting up wages & transfer fees when they had the chance. They didn't worry how that would effect City or Sheffield Wed or Derby or Forest or worry how we could possibly compete with them ever again. They didn't care that we had no chance of sharing in that money & that just because we were having a bad spell at the time when the money came in, our whole potential future as a top club was being written off.

That was 'fair'.
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Re: Stuart Brennan: the truth about M.U.F.C.F.F.P.

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:09 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
zuricity wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:On the other hand, restriction in trade in one jurisdiction applies to the other. It is illegal.


Who the f*ck do these premier leages clubs think they are? There are four leagues . What gives ManU or anyone else the right to tell an owner of a club like Bury for example, to stay a small club ? It is the height of arrogance, nay stupidity, to completely disrespect the way football has developed over many, many decades.

Sheffield weds might not be great right now, but they were once and who knows, with good investment and not leeches like the Glazers or our very own Swales. They might come good again


This hits the nail right on the head.

They are deeply offended by us being able to spend more money than them & think it's 'unfair' , but they never had a problem with putting up wages & transfer fees when they had the chance. They didn't worry how that would effect City or Sheffield Wed or Derby or Forest or worry how we could possibly compete with them ever again. They didn't care that we had no chance of sharing in that money & that just because we were having a bad spell at the time when the money came in, our whole potential future as a top club was being written off.

That was 'fair'.

I know mate. When they cannot dictate they changed the rules to suit. Looking at the Shef Wednesday/Derby/Forest link etc, haven't the Championship and other leagues adopted a similar take with regard to FFP?
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