Appalled

[Whassat]

I have to moan a bit. And that moaning will have fuck all to do with team that has just made it to FA Cup final, on pretty nice run in the league and winning the game in hand, will have closed the gap to leaders to 10 points. It's all about the spoiled bastards some of the people have become.

I mean fucking hell, I'm not exactly happy about the way our Champion's League "run" turned out but that's something we need to work on in coming years. We've had our ups and downs and football hasn't been as cavaliar all the time as it was during last spring. And yes, it's a fucking shame we lost the title to rags out of all the teams in the world. But if we are lifting yet another trophy come may, I will be over the moon once again.

The way we are as a team and as a Club couldn't make me happier. Some individual results or even seasons isn't going to change that. We aren't going to win quadrable every fucking season, probably never. That's just not how it goes. Some people here sound like the worst kind of rags we used to make fun of. The kind that after season of winning another trophy moaned about not winning some Mickey Mouse world club team competition of the year. Some people really need some fucking perspective and should start to enjoy all we've witnessed in alst few years and all we've done this year.

If we win the the cup Ill be a happy mofo. Actually Ill be a happy mofo anyway, thats just my outlook on life. But a bit happier even then.

[branny]

We've had a good week so now everything is ok? I see....

To put it in context, no we've had 3 good years after 35 mainly shit ones.

[ant london]

We gave ourselves a mountain to climb in terms of retaining the title as soon as that leatherfaced incompetent had completed his transfer market masterclass last summer.

It was clear as day that the scum were going to be as fired up and motivated as is possible and we managed to also let that happen in tandem with them adding a couple of quality players and us making marginal improvements (essentially Nastasic altho Garcia I believe will come good and Rodwell is good if he can get and stay fit).

We could have put clear water between them and us but we have allowed them back into the game and filled them with belief again.

I said it at the time but last summer was a fucking disaster and that tanned halfwit is largely to blame.

Mancini has failed to some degree also, he is flawed and if I were the owners/Ferran/Tricky I would be happy to give him another season at least BUT with some pretty clear expectations about the shit he has to improve or cut out. He's lucky that Mourinho is likely not the type of publicity our owners want and the likes of Klopp are seemingly currently unavailable as if the right man came free I would have some reservations about whether he would survive the summer

[Blue Since 76]

I said it at the time but last summer was a fucking disaster and that tanned halfwit is largely to blame.

Which bits are he to blame for? Deciding to sell AJ or de Jong? Or following the club policy on not paying the agent for Hazard? Or Van Persie, who Mancini said the problem wasn't money so how is that Marwood's fault?

There are a lot of people to blame for the failings and it's not fair to see Marwood as the easy target. You could start with Cook who left us without leadership due to his idiocy and lie. How about Khaldoon who decided, rightly, to rein in the spending but did it so quickly the market didn't believe us and we ended up getting none of the first targets. Or Mancini for not having decent back ups and then being stubborn about not playing Sinclair, presumably as he wasn't his choice. Or the doctors who said Rodwell was capable of walking.

Last summer was a mess, but the whole management structure has to share the blame

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

If we win the cup and finish second then it would be difficult to sack Mancini. I'm sure he'll keep his job but I suspect it will only be papering over the cracks.
We are better than the filth, and yet we failed to put up a realistic challenge all season.
So we've had a gentle cup run right to the semi final. There were three absolute gimmies, and one slightly tricky game at a struggling Stoke. That doesn't make up for the dismal fuck up the rest of the season has been, but it looks good if we win it.
I'll be there for the weekend, having a laugh with good Blues, and when I'm at Wembley, I'll sing me heart out and leap about again. And I'll be ecstatic if we win. But offer me the choice, and I'd still look for somebody more attack minded than Bob.
It's not appalling and nor does it make me not a City fan. To suggest otherwise is over dramatic big girl's blouse behaviour or just fucking stupid.
Oh and Ted, keep going. I understand the bit about having nowt new to say, but I'd sooner read your posts than some 'brain dead' saying Vieira is a cunt because he dares to answer a question honestly. Keep the quality of the board up my man.

[Beefymcfc]

Ted's in a sulk Pic's and I can't believe anybody wouldn't post because they had nothing more to say. If that was the case, I'd be sat at the end of the bar all on my loansome ;-)

[Bridge'srightfoot]

We've had a good week so now everything is ok? I see....

No Wooders, we've had a good week after knowing exactly where we were. If you want to live in Doom Land then so be it. Me, I prefer to move with where we are at and enjoy the ride.

I'll bite. No one is unhappy about where we are as a football club in the bigger picture. No one.
We all are amazed at where we are now compared to just 5 years ago and never did I think we'd win the league or FA Cup any time soon. So I wish people would stop with the 'stop being so ungrateful and spoilt' view. We're a big club now and need to adopt that mentality. And it annoys the crap out of me and others that when we lose to a side we shouldn't posters on here go 'yeah but 6 years ago we were playing Grimsby' etc.

We're disappointed by our performance in the league this season, letting a United side who have not been great run away with the league and being out of the title race by February.
I'm delighted with the recent performances but they also make me realise had we played to that level or anything near that level more often this season we'd certainly of had a very good chance of retaining the title.
We are a world class club with world class players and we have a right to be disappointed when they don't perform to the level they are capable of.

It is not the finishing second which is disappointing, not at all. It's the way we've given up the title to the Rags on somewhat of a whimper, barely challenging them since the turn of the year.

Having said that I hope beyond hope that the Rags self combust, lose every game and we win the league.

[City64]

We've had a good week so now everything is ok? I see....

To put it in context, no we've had 3 good years after 35 mainly shit ones.

This for me aswell :)

Anyone not happy needs medication or support Blackburn Rovers instead ! pmsfl !

[Beefymcfc]

We've had a good week so now everything is ok? I see....

No Wooders, we've had a good week after knowing exactly where we were. If you want to live in Doom Land then so be it. Me, I prefer to move with where we are at and enjoy the ride.

I'll bite. No one is unhappy about where we are as a football club in the bigger picture. No one.
We all are amazed at where we are now compared to just 5 years ago and never did I think we'd win the league or FA Cup any time soon. So I wish people would stop with the 'stop being so ungrateful and spoilt' view. We're a big club now and need to adopt that mentality. And it annoys the crap out of me and others that when we lose to a side we shouldn't posters on here go 'yeah but 6 years ago we were playing Grimsby' etc.

We're disappointed by our performance in the league this season, letting a United side who have not been great run away with the league and being out of the title race by February.
I'm delighted with the recent performances but they also make me realise had we played to that level or anything near that level more often this season we'd certainly of had a very good chance of retaining the title.
We are a world class club with world class players and we have a right to be disappointed when they don't perform to the level they are capable of.

It is not the finishing second which is disappointing, not at all. It's the way we've given up the title to the Rags on somewhat of a whimper, barely challenging them since the turn of the year.

Having said that I hope beyond hope that the Rags self combust, lose every game and we win the league.

Adopting that mentality and expecting it to come overnight are 2 widely different issues. I don't use the 'Where we've come from' thing but it does have to be taken in perspective. Even now, not many would say that they weren't surprised on how far we have risen in such a short period. It's looking like we'll have our 3rd continuous season in the CL, won the FA Cup (with a possibility of another) and we won the biggest one for me, the Premier League. This, all in the space of the last few years.

They say that you should never forget where you have come from and that your past will define your future. I find it very true and it keeps peoples feet on the ground, ensuring that the mentality does not change just because we won a few cups.

United have done well (even if I do think they've had an easy ride with decisions) and had the whereabouts to pull away from the pack. Us, and the rest, have played very well at times but each have had their own factors to deal with and taking all our factors into account, I do not see it being a disastrous season, or one that people should be crying about. And that's where the mentality kicks in for a few. We don't expect to win everything, I'd say this season I'd be more expecting to cement our position in the top echelon of English football and await the closed season and see what it brings. From there, I'll realise my expectations again and see if we live up to them. All part of the game.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

We've had a good week so now everything is ok? I see....

No Wooders, we've had a good week after knowing exactly where we were. If you want to live in Doom Land then so be it. Me, I prefer to move with where we are at and enjoy the ride.

I'll bite. No one is unhappy about where we are as a football club in the bigger picture. No one.
We all are amazed at where we are now compared to just 5 years ago and never did I think we'd win the league or FA Cup any time soon. So I wish people would stop with the 'stop being so ungrateful and spoilt' view. We're a big club now and need to adopt that mentality. And it annoys the crap out of me and others that when we lose to a side we shouldn't posters on here go 'yeah but 6 years ago we were playing Grimsby' etc.

We're disappointed by our performance in the league this season, letting a United side who have not been great run away with the league and being out of the title race by February.
I'm delighted with the recent performances but they also make me realise had we played to that level or anything near that level more often this season we'd certainly of had a very good chance of retaining the title.
We are a world class club with world class players and we have a right to be disappointed when they don't perform to the level they are capable of.

It is not the finishing second which is disappointing, not at all. It's the way we've given up the title to the Rags on somewhat of a whimper, barely challenging them since the turn of the year.

Having said that I hope beyond hope that the Rags self combust, lose every game and we win the league.

Adopting that mentality and expecting it to come overnight are 2 widely different issues. I don't use the 'Where we've come from' thing but it does have to be taken in perspective. Even now, not many would say that they weren't surprised on how far we have risen in such a short period. It's looking like we'll have our 3rd continuous season in the CL, won the FA Cup (with a possibility of another) and we won the biggest one for me, the Premier League. This, all in the space of the last few years.

They say that you should never forget where you have come from and that your past will define your future. I find it very true and it keeps peoples feet on the ground, ensuring that the mentality does not change just because we won a few cups.

United have done well (even if I do think they've had an easy ride with decisions) and had the whereabouts to pull away from the pack. Us, and the rest, have played very well at times but each have had their own factors to deal with and taking all our factors into account, I do not see it being a disastrous season, or one that people should be crying about. And that's where the mentality kicks in for a few. We don't expect to win everything, I'd say this season I'd be more expecting to cement our position in the top echelon of English football and await the closed season and see what it brings. From there, I'll realise my expectations again and see if we live up to them. All part of the game.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. And no I will never forget the past or where we came from but now we are a big club. We've spent huge amounts, have some of the world's finest players and as fans we have every right to expect to be winning things or at the very least challenging. Are you happy that we were out of the title race by February? Honestly. Yes the Rags have had decisions go for them but that doesn't account for why they are so far ahead.
Our players have not performed to the level they can this season. The game at OT proved we have the better side yet we're still so far behind them.

In the same way, if someone like Fulham was to be taken over by multi billionaires, spend huge amounts on some of the world's best players it would be normal to expect them to be challenging and winning trophies within a few years, irrespective of where they've come from.

[ruralblue]

I have never been happier being a Blue. Ok there are glaring things that we see and would like to change and yes without a doubt we have thrown a couple of games this yeat that we shouldnt. However we are up there, have stayed up there and in contention for the FA Cup. A lot of drama queens on every board, not just City who want things perfect all of the time but lifes not like that is it. I loved them when we were on our knees, in fact the whole typical City thing perversly made me love them more for it. The rollercoaster, the journey and we are heading in the right direction.

Chuffed I am at what we havr achieved and very excited for the future.

[Beefymcfc]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. And no I will never forget the past or where we came from but now we are a big club. We've spent huge amounts, have some of the world's finest players and as fans we have every right to expect to be winning things or at the very least challenging. Are you happy that we were out of the title race by February? Honestly. Yes the Rags have had decisions go for them but that doesn't account for why they are so far ahead.
Our players have not performed to the level they can this season. The game at OT proved we have the better side yet we're still so far behind them.

In the same way, if someone like Fulham was to be taken over by multi billionaires, spend huge amounts on some of the world's best players it would be normal to expect them to be challenging and winning trophies within a few years, irrespective of where they've come from.

To be honest mate, if you can't except that things haven't been all rosey in the garden this season then it's impossible to debate. Regardless of what has happened this season you are firmly in the belief that we should be in or around United. I do think we've got one of the best 1st teams around but once you lose one of the better players then things change.

I'm not sure if you are one of those who say we were lucky last season but either way we finished level on points with the Rags which meant that over the course of a season that we were equal teams with only a few goals separating our teams. They went out and strengthened substantially where we rested on our laurels. Nothing wrong with that and you'd possibly expect us to come out a little stronger but at the same time you'd have to expect the same of the Rags, and with their renewed imputus then you'd have to expect more.

So, there's the difference. You choose to complain that we should've been better where I prefer to see the bigger picture ;-)

[Rag_hater]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. And no I will never forget the past or where we came from but now we are a big club. We've spent huge amounts, have some of the world's finest players and as fans we have every right to expect to be winning things or at the very least challenging. Are you happy that we were out of the title race by February? Honestly. Yes the Rags have had decisions go for them but that doesn't account for why they are so far ahead.
Our players have not performed to the level they can this season. The game at OT proved we have the better side yet we're still so far behind them.

In the same way, if someone like Fulham was to be taken over by multi billionaires, spend huge amounts on some of the world's best players it would be normal to expect them to be challenging and winning trophies within a few years, irrespective of where they've come from.

To be honest mate, if you can't except that things haven't been all rosey in the garden this season then it's impossible to debate. Regardless of what has happened this season you are firmly in the belief that we should be in or around United. I do think we've got one of the best 1st teams around but once you lose one of the better players then things change.

I'm not sure if you are one of those who say we were lucky last season but either way we finished level on points with the Rags which meant that over the course of a season that we were equal teams with only a few goals separating our teams. They went out and strengthened substantially where we rested on our laurels. Nothing wrong with that and you'd possibly expect us to come out a little stronger but at the same time you'd have to expect the same of the Rags, and with their renewed imputus then you'd have to expect more.

So, there's the difference. You choose to complain that we should've been better where I prefer to see the bigger picture ;-)

That is one of the main points for me.
The fact that those twats have quite a few in that poty thing suggests the twats are not as bad as people say,so us being 2nd to them,ain't to bad.
Also I think us having so many world class players makes us think we should be able to tonk everybody,but I think that a few other teams also have a few world class players who will not allow us to simply run away with things.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

That is one of the main points for me.
The fact that those twats have quite a few in that poty thing suggests the twats are not as bad as people say,so us being 2nd to them,ain't to bad.
Also I think us having so many world class players makes us think we should be able to tonk everybody,but I think that a few other teams also have a few world class players who will not allow us to simply run away with things.

So to summarize, they have good players and should be winning.

We have good players but shouldn't expect to be winning?

[Im_Spartacus]

That is one of the main points for me.
The fact that those twats have quite a few in that poty thing suggests the twats are not as bad as people say,so us being 2nd to them,ain't to bad.
Also I think us having so many world class players makes us think we should be able to tonk everybody,but I think that a few other teams also have a few world class players who will not allow us to simply run away with things.

On the whole though, its not the teams with world class players that have been the problem.

The problem is that the best of the other teams with world class players has managed to not be derailed by teams which don't have world class players. And that is when it comes down to the attitude instilled in the players, and the tactics directed by the manager.

I dont think we have a right to win anything, but I think I have a right to expect that the title race wont be over 3-4 months before the end of the season, or that we put up a reasonable showing against our peers in Europe.

[john68]

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[Bridge'srightfoot]

That is one of the main points for me.
The fact that those twats have quite a few in that poty thing suggests the twats are not as bad as people say,so us being 2nd to them,ain't to bad.
Also I think us having so many world class players makes us think we should be able to tonk everybody,but I think that a few other teams also have a few world class players who will not allow us to simply run away with things.

On the whole though, its not the teams with world class players that have been the problem.

The problem is that the best of the other teams with world class players has managed to not be derailed by teams which don't have world class players. And that is when it comes down to the attitude instilled in the players, and the tactics directed by the manager.

I dont think we have a right to win anything, but I think I have a right to expect that the title race wont be over 3-4 months before the end of the season, or that we put up a reasonable showing against our peers in Europe.

That's the crux of the argument. We're not demanding to win everything but we are demanding to sustain a challenge.
Those who say they are happy with our performance this season, will you be happy next season if we are out of the title race by February again?

[Grandad Rosler]

I'm going to echo a few sentiments on here and say that its not just the trophy wins or lack thereof, it's the manner in which we have approached games at points this season.

I could take a loss any day of the week as long as we die trying to win the game and give 100%

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

That is one of the main points for me.
The fact that those twats have quite a few in that poty thing suggests the twats are not as bad as people say,so us being 2nd to them,ain't to bad.
Also I think us having so many world class players makes us think we should be able to tonk everybody,but I think that a few other teams also have a few world class players who will not allow us to simply run away with things.

On the whole though, its not the teams with world class players that have been the problem.

The problem is that the best of the other teams with world class players has managed to not be derailed by teams which don't have world class players. And that is when it comes down to the attitude instilled in the players, and the tactics directed by the manager.

I dont think we have a right to win anything, but I think I have a right to expect that the title race wont be over 3-4 months before the end of the season, or that we put up a reasonable showing against our peers in Europe.

That's the crux of the argument. We're not demanding to win everything but we are demanding to sustain a challenge.
Those who say they are happy with our performance this season, will you be happy next season if we are out of the title race by February again?

Bridge, you keep saying it was over in February. It was done at least two months earlier than that.

[Tim777]

Methinks some doth analyse too much, whether we should be appalled or not with the title defence this season.
If we look at the table at present, the scum have lost the same amount of games as us (4) but there's a huge difference in drawing thus the huge difference in the winning margin.
I'm putting it down to plain ol' (cliche'-if-you-want-to-call-it) luck.
Of late we've had the pick of our key players back at last, who'd been out for the majority of the season, for our Newcastle game on 30th March and look what happened: a game reminiscent of last season.
This compared to bouts of complacency and decisions having not gone our way is miniscual compared to the injury factor.
Look at how the scum started losing games again recently when their showcase player rvp lost his form, like he might as well have been off injured.
If we'd had our key players at our disposal throughout the season, our title defence would not be in the shambles that it is in now.
Nevertheless, considering this, and how far we've come in the last three years, 2nd in the league and a very real chance of lifting the FA cup this season is, although not ideal, far better than most teams will fare in the top flight, and I for one am proud of this.