Zabba injury update

[Beefymcfc]

So let me get this straight, all the people who think Pellegrini should only leave out Zabba if he had a a crystal ball to predict injury , think that the other players were left out purely because he wanted to be fair to those not playing & give them a chance ? Not because he was concerned they may pick up injuries ?

That's why clubs rotate players; not to prevent injury, but purely to give others a chance ?

Is this what you characters actually believe ?

Come on let's hear it.

It doesn't matter what anybody believes, what matters is that Pellers played him and he got an injury, one that he could've picked up a few days later.

So, what do you characters believe, you are better at managing than the manager?

That's right, what was I ever thinking ?

Lets just close down the fucking site & not bother, as the manager is always right & never gets anything wrong, just as he was when he thought we needed five goals at Bayern or when he played Garcia at centre back.

I'll pray to him later & see if he can explain it to me & then I will be enlightened & perhaps I will go forth & spread his word, along with that of Mancini who also could not be questioned, but wait, which word is the true word, seeing as neither can be fucking questioned ?

What's a matter pal, has God been questioned and talked back to?

You've just basically tried deriding everybody elses opinion with your aggressive manner but when the same happens to you then you go all soft-arse on people.

It is a debate and people have differing views. Get the fuck over it pal.

[twosips]

To be fair, there aren't many more frustrating things on a football forum than the absolutely irritating 'do you think you're a better manager?' line that's wheeled out to belittle valid arguments. It's totally and utterly pointless.

The whole world could see that starting Zabaleta was a risk that didn't need to be made. It was a stupid mistake....BUT having said that at the end of the day it's only football, we'll be alright and we'll get on with it and find a way to work through it as what is done is done as Pellegrini is our manager, a very good one too, but he's human and will mistakes like the rest of us.

[Ted Hughes]

Do we have hindsight?

No, we don't.

Do we want to win the League cup?

I for one do. Obvious reasons

Did Zabba have to play last night

No. But see question 1 and 2. Playing the best side available helps win games and we couldnt know an injury would be picked up. It's part and parcel of the game and could just as easily have happened v Fulham. You can't not play players because of 'might'. Its a bummer both full backs are injured at same time but so what. We have a great manager. We have a big squad. We have class players. Let them earn their fuckin corn and adapt to the situation at hand. Other teams have men out. Lets just get on with it. Starting Saturday with another 3 points.

Exactly. As a manager do you take a risk with a player that is hard as nails and you know has the stamina of a work-horse or do you play somebody out of position who hasn't had any real match play?

From my perspective, Pellers identified that Dyer was their biggest threat and countered it with the best possible player. Dyer had nothing against Zab's which left them very limited and it was only when DB came on that he started getting joy, DB immediately getting a yellow. Also, if I'm not correct, wasn't it Dyer who scored against us, slipping inside DB when DB left him?

Dyer caused neither Zabba nor Boyata much of a problem. The goal went through Vinny's legs & was a fluke.

[Ted Hughes]

So let me get this straight, all the people who think Pellegrini should only leave out Zabba if he had a a crystal ball to predict injury , think that the other players were left out purely because he wanted to be fair to those not playing & give them a chance ? Not because he was concerned they may pick up injuries ?

That's why clubs rotate players; not to prevent injury, but purely to give others a chance ?

Is this what you characters actually believe ?

Come on let's hear it.

It doesn't matter what anybody believes, what matters is that Pellers played him and he got an injury, one that he could've picked up a few days later.

So, what do you characters believe, you are better at managing than the manager?

That's right, what was I ever thinking ?

Lets just close down the fucking site & not bother, as the manager is always right & never gets anything wrong, just as he was when he thought we needed five goals at Bayern or when he played Garcia at centre back.

I'll pray to him later & see if he can explain it to me & then I will be enlightened & perhaps I will go forth & spread his word, along with that of Mancini who also could not be questioned, but wait, which word is the true word, seeing as neither can be fucking questioned ?

What's a matter pal, has God been questioned and talked back to?

You've just basically tried deriding everybody elses opinion with your aggressive manner but when the same happens to you then you go all soft-arse on people.

It is a debate and people have differing views. Get the fuck over it pal.

Debate my arse.

It's just you telling me it doesn't matter what people think because the manager knows better.

[Breks]

To be fair, there aren't many more frustrating things on a football forum than the absolutely irritating 'do you think you're a better manager?' line that's wheeled out to belittle valid arguments. It's totally and utterly pointless.

The whole world could see that starting Zabaleta was a risk that didn't need to be made. It was a stupid mistake....BUT having said that at the end of the day it's football, we'll be alright and we'll get on with it and find a way to work through it as what is done is done.

Stupid mistake? Your right how silly of Pellers to want to win the cup and pay the competition some respect. How stupid of him for playing our only fit recognised RB. How short sighted of him not to know Zabba would pull his hamstring. Stupid stupid mistake.

[Beefymcfc]

Do we have hindsight?

No, we don't.

Do we want to win the League cup?

I for one do. Obvious reasons

Did Zabba have to play last night

No. But see question 1 and 2. Playing the best side available helps win games and we couldnt know an injury would be picked up. It's part and parcel of the game and could just as easily have happened v Fulham. You can't not play players because of 'might'. Its a bummer both full backs are injured at same time but so what. We have a great manager. We have a big squad. We have class players. Let them earn their fuckin corn and adapt to the situation at hand. Other teams have men out. Lets just get on with it. Starting Saturday with another 3 points.

Exactly. As a manager do you take a risk with a player that is hard as nails and you know has the stamina of a work-horse or do you play somebody out of position who hasn't had any real match play?

From my perspective, Pellers identified that Dyer was their biggest threat and countered it with the best possible player. Dyer had nothing against Zab's which left them very limited and it was only when DB came on that he started getting joy, DB immediately getting a yellow. Also, if I'm not correct, wasn't it Dyer who scored against us, slipping inside DB when DB left him?

Dyer caused neither Zabba nor Boyata much of a problem. The goal went through Vinny's legs & was a fluke.

Eh, he was there only outlet. I know you're just saying that to back-up your point mate because you can't be serious.

I've not seen it back but I'm almost certain that DB got dragged about by Dyer for the goal, bringing in inside before passing it off. DB went with him before leaving him to try and cut-out the cross to Dyer which he was miles away from. My son mentioned it to me at the time, that's where I noticed it. Without that he wouldn't even have had the chance to get the deflection.

[Ted Hughes]

So he would just play 60 games if Richards was injured then ?

No because a replacement for Richards would be brought in.

Why, if Zabaleta can play there ?

The way you are talking, it's as if Zabba would be risking injury by playing too often, but if that was the case, then surely the manager would be making every effort to keep him rested for the huge schedule of big games ahead & play someone else there in the League Cup, against a Championship side, seeing as Zabba has just played a very tough, hard running game v Arsenal.

Hmm, this doesn't seem to make sense.

[twosips]

To be fair, there aren't many more frustrating things on a football forum than the absolutely irritating 'do you think you're a better manager?' line that's wheeled out to belittle valid arguments. It's totally and utterly pointless.

The whole world could see that starting Zabaleta was a risk that didn't need to be made. It was a stupid mistake....BUT having said that at the end of the day it's football, we'll be alright and we'll get on with it and find a way to work through it as what is done is done.

Stupid mistake? Your right how silly of Pellers to want to win the cup and pay the competition some respect. How stupid of him for playing our only fit recognised RB. How short sighted of him not to know Zabba would pull his hamstring. Stupid stupid mistake.

As with any high level job risk assessment is essential. The risk here was losing Kompany or Zabaleta. The 'want to win the cup and pay the competition some respect' would be a valid one if he played a full strength first team - he didn't. He saw the game as unchallenging enough to rest several first teamers and for some reason he started the two that have no adequate cover - Kompany and Zabaleta. Both Demichelis and Boyata should have been starting for them and that would have been MORE than enough.

[Beefymcfc]

Debate my arse.

It's just you telling me it doesn't matter what people think because the manager knows better.

Absolute bollocks. Who was it who started with the 'Thick Cunts' comment, it certainly wasn't anybody other than yourself.

Then you go all 'I can't even debate my points' bollocks when the truth is that's all we are doing.

You want to question the manager, a few have said that they understand why he played Zab's and gave reasons behind it; I know I did. That's not closing the debate down, it's giving another opinion to your own, and that's what the site is for, isn't it?

Look, if you now know you're wrong, just admit it. The bigger man and all that ;-)

[C & C]

Dec 1 Swansea City
Dec 4 West Brom
Dec 7 Southampton
Dec 10 Bayern Munich (all but 16 minutes)
Dec 14 Arsenal
Dec 17 Leicester City
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Dec 21 Fulham
Dec 26 Liverpool
Dec 28 Crystal Palace
Jan 1 Swansea City
Jan 4 Blackburn

12 games in 34 days

There was an attempt to rest Zabs against Bayern, but obviously that didn't work out. Zabs was always going to play against Arsenal.

Knowing Richards was out for a month or so, when was the next spot you could reasonably expect Zabs to be rested? Playing him vs Leicester meant he's played 6 games in 17 days. He wasn't going to be rested vs Liverpool.

Those of you saying it was right to play him vs Leicester, do you think he should have been rested against Fulham or are you saying Zabs doesn't need rested and he can be expected to play 8 games in 26 days?

[Dameerto]

I'm just pleased we're taking the competition seriously for the first time since the takeover. It usually gets 'red headed stepchild' status.

[clippo22]

Personally I'm glad zaba started and believe it to have been the right decision. I agree that dyer was their biggest threat and felt much more comfortable seeing zaba start against him than an out of match practice Boyata.

It was the quarter finals of the cup for fuck sake! The only team now left in the comp who we haven't already beaten this season is stoke! Anyone thought that maybe he had Boyata on the bench as CB cover rather than having to play him at right back?

[Beefymcfc]

Dec 1 Swansea City
Dec 4 West Brom
Dec 7 Southampton
Dec 10 Bayern Munich (all but 16 minutes)
Dec 14 Arsenal
Dec 17 Leicester City
-------
Dec 21 Fulham
Dec 26 Liverpool
Dec 28 Crystal Palace
Jan 1 Swansea City
Jan 4 Blackburn

12 games in 34 days

There was an attempt to rest Zabs against Bayern, but obviously that didn't work out. Zabs was always going to play against Arsenal.

Knowing Richards was out for a month or so, when was the next spot you could reasonably expect Zabs to be rested? Playing him vs Leicester meant he's played 6 games in 17 days. He wasn't going to be rested vs Liverpool.

Those of you saying it was right to play him vs Leicester, do you think he should have been rested against Fulham or are you saying Zabs doesn't need rested and he can be expected to play 8 games in 26 days?

Very good point mate and well put.

[Ted Hughes]

Do we have hindsight?

No, we don't.

Do we want to win the League cup?

I for one do. Obvious reasons

Did Zabba have to play last night

No. But see question 1 and 2. Playing the best side available helps win games and we couldnt know an injury would be picked up. It's part and parcel of the game and could just as easily have happened v Fulham. You can't not play players because of 'might'. Its a bummer both full backs are injured at same time but so what. We have a great manager. We have a big squad. We have class players. Let them earn their fuckin corn and adapt to the situation at hand. Other teams have men out. Lets just get on with it. Starting Saturday with another 3 points.

Exactly. As a manager do you take a risk with a player that is hard as nails and you know has the stamina of a work-horse or do you play somebody out of position who hasn't had any real match play?

From my perspective, Pellers identified that Dyer was their biggest threat and countered it with the best possible player. Dyer had nothing against Zab's which left them very limited and it was only when DB came on that he started getting joy, DB immediately getting a yellow. Also, if I'm not correct, wasn't it Dyer who scored against us, slipping inside DB when DB left him?

Dyer caused neither Zabba nor Boyata much of a problem. The goal went through Vinny's legs & was a fluke.

Eh, he was there only outlet. I know you're just saying that to back-up your point mate because you can't be serious.

I've not seen it back but I'm almost certain that DB got dragged about by Dyer for the goal, bringing in inside before passing it off. DB went with him before leaving him to try and cut-out the cross to Dyer which he was miles away from. My son mentioned it to me at the time, that's where I noticed it. Without that he wouldn't even have had the chance to get the deflection.

Boyata lined up like City's defence do quite often this season & the oppo got as us in the same way Arsenal, Southampton & others have done whoever has played there. Another reason we don't want novices trying to learn this shit in big games; the first11 can't get it right yet either.The goal itself would be cut out 9 times out of 10, but it was a lucky deflection.

[Beefymcfc]

Boyata lined up like City's defence do quite often this season & the oppo got as us in the same way Arsenal, Southampton & others have done whoever has played there. Another reason we don't want novices trying to learn this shit in big games; the first11 can't get it right yet either.The goal itself would be cut out 9 times out of 10, but it was a lucky deflection.

You said Dyer had no affect on the game? From what I seen, he was the only one to do anything positive.

But OK, we'll blame Lescott then.

[Ted Hughes]

Debate my arse.

It's just you telling me it doesn't matter what people think because the manager knows better.

Absolute bollocks. Who was it who started with the 'Thick Cunts' comment, it certainly wasn't anybody other than yourself.

Then you go all 'I can't even debate my points' bollocks when the truth is that's all we are doing.

You want to question the manager, a few have said that they understand why he played Zab's and gave reasons behind it; I know I did. That's not closing the debate down, it's giving another opinion to your own, and that's what the site is for, isn't it?

Look, if you now know you're wrong, just admit it. The bigger man and all that ;-)

I'm sorry, I thought it was you who said 'it doesn't matter what anyone believes' when I asked for an answer to a specific question, & you who said ' So, what do you characters believe, you are better at managing than the manager?' & now I find I imagined the whole thing.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Dec 1 Swansea City
Dec 4 West Brom
Dec 7 Southampton
Dec 10 Bayern Munich (all but 16 minutes)
Dec 14 Arsenal
Dec 17 Leicester City
-------
Dec 21 Fulham
Dec 26 Liverpool
Dec 28 Crystal Palace
Jan 1 Swansea City
Jan 4 Blackburn

12 games in 34 days

There was an attempt to rest Zabs against Bayern, but obviously that didn't work out. Zabs was always going to play against Arsenal.

Knowing Richards was out for a month or so, when was the next spot you could reasonably expect Zabs to be rested? Playing him vs Leicester meant he's played 6 games in 17 days. He wasn't going to be rested vs Liverpool.

Those of you saying it was right to play him vs Leicester, do you think he should have been rested against Fulham or are you saying Zabs doesn't need rested and he can be expected to play 8 games in 26 days?

Very well put. Apparently applying that kind of logic means you're a bellend though.

[Beefymcfc]

Debate my arse.

It's just you telling me it doesn't matter what people think because the manager knows better.

Absolute bollocks. Who was it who started with the 'Thick Cunts' comment, it certainly wasn't anybody other than yourself.

Then you go all 'I can't even debate my points' bollocks when the truth is that's all we are doing.

You want to question the manager, a few have said that they understand why he played Zab's and gave reasons behind it; I know I did. That's not closing the debate down, it's giving another opinion to your own, and that's what the site is for, isn't it?

Look, if you now know you're wrong, just admit it. The bigger man and all that ;-)

I'm sorry, I thought it was you who said 'it doesn't matter what anyone believes' when I asked for an answer to a specific question, & you who said ' So, what do you characters believe, you are better at managing than the manager?' & now I find I imagined the whole thing.

Wo wo wo, sweet child of mine. Once again, you brought that sort of speak into the debate, not me. I just thought I'd reciprocate in the only right manner.

Do you need to re-read your posts?

Anyway, he's injured and out for a couple of weeks. Instead of talking recriminations surely we should be talking replacements.

Milner, Clichy or Boyata?

[Hazy2]

Debate my arse.

It's just you telling me it doesn't matter what people think because the manager knows better.

Absolute bollocks. Who was it who started with the 'Thick Cunts' comment, it certainly wasn't anybody other than yourself.

Then you go all 'I can't even debate my points' bollocks when the truth is that's all we are doing.

You want to question the manager, a few have said that they understand why he played Zab's and gave reasons behind it; I know I did. That's not closing the debate down, it's giving another opinion to your own, and that's what the site is for, isn't it?

Look, if you now know you're wrong, just admit it. The bigger man and all that ;-)

I'm sorry, I thought it was you who said 'it doesn't matter what anyone believes' when I asked for an answer to a specific question, & you who said ' So, what do you characters believe, you are better at managing than the manager?' & now I find I imagined the whole thing.

Wo wo wo, sweet child of mine. Once again, you brought that sort of speak into the debate, not me. I just thought I'd reciprocate in the only right manner.

Do you need to re-read your posts?

Anyway, he's injured and out for a couple of weeks. Instead of talking recriminations surely we should be talking replacements.

Milner, Clichy or Boyata?

We could have had Phil Jones lurking about.

[Beefymcfc]

Wo wo wo, sweet child of mine. Once again, you brought that sort of speak into the debate, not me. I just thought I'd reciprocate in the only right manner.

Do you need to re-read your posts?

Anyway, he's injured and out for a couple of weeks. Instead of talking recriminations surely we should be talking replacements.

Milner, Clichy or Boyata?

We could have had Phil Jones gurning about.

Fixed.