Why our EDS don't make it to the first team?

[Bluemoon4610]

It doesn't take much brain cranking to work out that the Chavs and all the other clubs at the top of the league are streets ahead of us in producing players for their own first team.

Of the 15 Chelsea players to have made their debuts since Conte took the helm at the start of 2016/17, only 5 are currently at the club. In the same time period, we've given debuts to 15, as well, but 8 are currently with us.

but those five are regulars for the Chavs - Mount, Abraham, James, Hudson Odoi & Christiansen with Gilmour waiting in the wings - already 18 first team appearances so far. That is the point BiB (tedious though it is to have to keep making it)

But which of those 5/6 would get anywhere near our 1st team squad? And who would they replace?

With respect friend, that is not the point. Their contribution as home grown first team players at an elite club is what matters
Abrahams - 80 apps
Mount - 89 apps
Christensen - 115 apps
James – 65 apps
Hudson Odoi – 89 apps

IMHO that's exactly the point. To get in our 1st team squad, let alone 1st 11, you need to be world class. Not many academy players are that advanced (though I will concede a select few are), no matter what club they're at. One look at the current PL table is enough to show me that home grown isn't always the way to go. As other posters have said, our owners are very astute businessmen, they wouldn't be investing they sums the do in the CFA if it wasn't making a healthy profit. Nuggets like Phil are the cherry on the icing on the cake (and save us a good few million, to boot!)

[johnny crossan]

With respect friend, that is not the point. Their contribution as home grown first team players at an elite club is what matters
Abrahams - 80 apps
Mount - 89 apps
Christensen - 115 apps
James – 65 apps
Hudson Odoi – 89 apps

IMHO that's exactly the point. To get in our 1st team squad, let alone 1st 11, you need to be world class. Not many academy players are that advanced (though I will concede a select few are), no matter what club they're at. One look at the current PL table is enough to show me that home grown isn't always the way to go. As other posters have said, our owners are very astute businessmen, they wouldn't be investing they sums the do in the CFA if it wasn't making a healthy profit. Nuggets like Phil are the cherry on the icing on the cake (and save us a good few million, to boot!)

The tedious point you keep making that no-one has disputed is that we have less EDS in our first team. That is a fact.
Another fact is we have been and are consideraby better than other teams/ clubs. So the point you are not getting is that the comparison is not valid. - Would those players get in our team? Would you prefer we had more EDS players but were just trying to get into the top4 ?Because the streets ahead in producing for the first team that you so admire - seems to obviously come with a lower expectation of the team they are trying to get into. Again you just sound like you are moaning JC

Let this be my last post on this thread. Which players are produced by our competitors and who they would replace in our squad is irrelevant. What is important and why we are failing is that we are not producing enough home grown players of sufficient quality to merit a regular Man City first team place. In fact we are bottom of list! Have a look at the player stats if you don't believe me. https://www.footballcritic.com/premier- ... ve/2/41756

[PeterParker]

With respect friend, that is not the point. Their contribution as home grown first team players at an elite club is what matters
Abrahams - 80 apps
Mount - 89 apps
Christensen - 115 apps
James – 65 apps
Hudson Odoi – 89 apps

IMHO that's exactly the point. To get in our 1st team squad, let alone 1st 11, you need to be world class. Not many academy players are that advanced (though I will concede a select few are), no matter what club they're at. One look at the current PL table is enough to show me that home grown isn't always the way to go. As other posters have said, our owners are very astute businessmen, they wouldn't be investing they sums the do in the CFA if it wasn't making a healthy profit. Nuggets like Phil are the cherry on the icing on the cake (and save us a good few million, to boot!)

The tedious point you keep making that no-one has disputed is that we have less EDS in our first team. That is a fact.
Another fact is we have been and are consideraby better than other teams/ clubs. So the point you are not getting is that the comparison is not valid. - Would those players get in our team? Would you prefer we had more EDS players but were just trying to get into the top4 ?Because the streets ahead in producing for the first team that you so admire - seems to obviously come with a lower expectation of the team they are trying to get into. Again you just sound like you are moaning JC

Let this be my last post on this thread. Which players are produced by our competitors and who they would replace in our squad is irrelevant. What is important and why we are failing is that we are not producing enough home grown players of sufficient quality to merit a regular Man City first team place. In fact we are bottom of list! Have a look at the player stats if you don't believe me. https://www.footballcritic.com/premier- ... ve/2/41756

Good stat that.
I can add something also: why do we fail to keep those who actually looked good (Sancho & Angelino) or don't rate enough the ones we have here (Phil or Delap)?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Our rivals?

Who are they then? We have the most PL titles in the last 10 years with 5. We have the most domestic cups. We score the most goals year in year out. Forgive me, but I would suggest the likes of Chelsea, rags, Spurs, dippers are not rivals to ourselves as such when judged over a period of time. More just other clubs who are fighting for the scraps.

So comparisons between us and say the rags, are unfair as their goals are different to ours. We want to win trophies. They don’t. The same can be said for most of the other so called top 6. Arguably the dippers have brought on more youngsters, but not many more and they’ve barely won anything in the last 15 years as a whole

This. Big time.

If our aim would be "maybe challenge for some title" we'd have more wiggle room to try out our extemely impressive youth players. But our expectations are more or less "win everything or die trying" so there's not much room to expirement.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------Sturridge----Guidetti

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

[PeterParker]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------Sturridge----Guidetti

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Garcia was actually sacked by a Romanian club before Christmas.
Came in the league, can't describe how poor he was.
He is done.

[Scatman]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------Sturridge----Guidetti

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Who is scoring the goals?

[johnny crossan]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------STURRIDGE----GUIDETTI

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Who is scoring the goals?

[Scatman]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------STURRIDGE----GUIDETTI

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Who is scoring the goals?

It certainly isn't those two

[johnny crossan]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------STURRIDGE----GUIDETTI

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Who is scoring the goals?

It certainly isn't those two

Having said I'll shut up on this thread in the spirit of reconciliation I will offer this slightly revised version of NQDP's currently active team which might survive in the PL -
Schmeichel
Trippier, Adarabaiyoyo, Mee, Angelino
Foden, Doyle, Harrison,
Sancho, Iheanacho, Nmecha (F)

Bench: Gunn, Boyata, Harwood Bellis, Rekik, Diaz, Gomes, Palmer, Delap, Braaf

[Mase]

Harrison came through the rags academy, no?

[johnny crossan]

Harrison came through the rags academy, no?

Sorry I thought he was U21 when he signed for us but not so - we'll put Diaz back then , he's doing OK for Milan against the rags atm.

[Scatman]

I'm not entirely sure I would be confident of winning an argument about kelechi being a "product" of our academy. Wasnt he in it for about a month?

[johnny crossan]

I'm not entirely sure I would be confident of winning an argument about kelechi being a "product" of our academy. Wasnt he in it for about a month?

Argue away, no problem - 2 years according to his wiki entry

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------Sturridge----Guidetti

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Garcia was actually sacked by a Romanian club before Christmas.
Came in the league, can't describe how poor he was.
He is done.

Year before was getting nice ratings in Belgium first division. Was immediately picked up by Eibar so we'll see.

I left Sancho out because he wanted out all along. But if we are going to go down that route then throw him up front.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I'm not entirely sure I would be confident of winning an argument about kelechi being a "product" of our academy. Wasnt he in it for about a month?

Argue away, no problem - 2 years according to his wiki entry

He was known from Academy game reports before he was included to squad. Don't know whether that would win any arguments and don't give a shit either.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------STURRIDGE----GUIDETTI

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Who is scoring the goals?

It certainly isn't those two

Having said I'll shut up on this thread in the spirit of reconciliation I will offer this slightly revised version of NQDP's currently active team which might survive in the PL -
Schmeichel
Trippier, Adarabaiyoyo, Mee, Angelino
Foden, Doyle, Harrison,
Sancho, Iheanacho, Nmecha (F)

Bench: Gunn, Boyata, Harwood Bellis, Rekik, Diaz, Gomes, Palmer, Delap, Braaf

Point, of course, being that we can have an argument how we'd line up former and current Academy products in a Premier Leagues side.

[johnny crossan]

Active Academy products XI
------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino
-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------STURRIDGE----GUIDETTI
Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho
Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Who is scoring the goals?It certainly isn't those two

Having said I'll shut up on this thread in the spirit of reconciliation I will offer this slightly revised version of NQDP's currently active team which might survive in the PL -
Schmeichel
Trippier, Adarabaiyoyo, Mee, Angelino
Sancho, Foden, Doyle, Diaz,
Iheanacho, Nmecha (L)Bench: Gunn, Boyata, Harwood Bellis, Rekik, Gomes, Palmer, Bernabe, Delap, Braaf, Nmecha (F)

Point, of course, being that we can have an argument how we'd line up former and current Academy products in a Premier Leagues side.

No argument friend, now followed the same formation as you. It's a thought experiment - the only constraint is the power of our imaginations

[PeterParker]

Active Academy products XI

------------------Schmeichel
Trippier----Mee----Boyata ---- Angelino

-----Diaz----Foden---Garcia --- Suarez
----------Sturridge----Guidetti

Subs: Adarabioyo, Maffeo, Garcia, Doyle, Iheanacho

Does someone REALLY try to say that this team wouldn't hold it's own and more in Premier League????

Garcia was actually sacked by a Romanian club before Christmas.
Came in the league, can't describe how poor he was.
He is done.

Year before was getting nice ratings in Belgium first division. Was immediately picked up by Eibar so we'll see.

Don't think he played a game for Eibar yet. I've watched him here, I was blown away how poor he was, or better said, not interested. I think he is hanging around with the wrong crowd.