Mancini (The Ted Hughes and BBS thread)

[Swales4ever]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

You are right Ted, but also knew before I was born that the manager write the screenplay, the players act it.
That is - with my Mancio's legs - the difference between Brum and tonight or WBA. Should some player had acted as a part of a group, instead of a lone ranger, one of those loadshit of chances would probably had been scored last week.
It will mostly rely on how much confident the players will grow on the manager's believe.

[Original Dub]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

Exactly.

Controlling a game is having the ability to pass the ball around in your opponent's half, not your own half. The rags passed it around our half on a few occassions in the last derby, but couldn't find a breakthrough. We only managed to pass it around our own half and that's why I agreed with Baconface when he said they controlled the game.

Like I said, I know we'll lose some games by showing too much ambition and we'll win some games playing ugly, but we always have to try to win. Always.

[Ted Hughes]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

nothing to do with Bob..

I'm sure it is down to Bob mate. He's put Jo, a striker, on the left in front of a very attacking fullback which is a statement of intent. If you remember, he told us we were all idiots for wanting him to put on a striker v Brum when he stuck on Gareth Barry. There was a real change of emphasis today & he deserves utmost credit for it imo.

[Lev Bronstein]

I wasn't pessimistic last week, and I don't want to be over optimistic this week.

A couple of things were in our favour. We were playing Fulham - not the strongest side. As they were the home team they played a more open game which played into our hands. And we got an early goal - as far as I remember, only once have have we failed to win after going in front. (In contrast to last year).

However, the first half especially was awesome and better sides than Fulham would've struggled to stay with us. Hopefully Bobby will be saying to the team that:- "This is the standard we can reach. This our style of play, we impose it on others and don't let others dictate the game. Play like this and we are going places." Do that, maintain the standard and he'll be in a stronger position with regard to the players.

Play like that on a regular basis then we can generate the sort of fear in other teams that really top sides manage to do.

[carl_feedthegoat]

There was more urgency today...the ball in midfield was played out quicker than we have seen for a long long time.
Barry didnt dawdle on the ball this time, he pushed it out time and time again...fantastic one touch football from everyone...we did give the ball away more than we sould but the urgency to go forward was from the first whistle.

Hats off to Mancini today.......

[brite blu sky]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

nothing to do with Bob..

I'm sure it is down to Bob mate. He's put Jo, a striker, on the left in front of a very attacking fullback which is a statement of intent. If you remember, he told us we were all idiots for wanting him to put on a striker v Brum when he stuck on Gareth Barry. There was a real change of emphasis today & he deserves utmost credit for it imo.

Apos in advance Ted but that is complete BOLLOCKS, furthermore i think you know it too so i can't be arsed going though the whole argument now.. maybe over the week .
1. away from home = more space and leeway
2. backing up 1 is our defencive set up is as good as it should be... sorted in other words, so we again can be confident.. becuase
3. away form home the emphasis is for the home side to come out and try and play.
4. qaulity of players we have can take pretty much any team to the fuclin cleaners.
5. Fine away from home, but at home it is a different story and is basically a trickier game to learn.
I think this is pretty fuclin obvious mate, and basically we have the personell and the set up but have to learn to both trust and go that bit extra to take teams apart at home.

Mancini imo has been encouraging the players to do this but they have to take the responsibility themselves while on the pitch, while playing the game. Sure there are nuances of setup and certain players, not least lacking a serious poaching style striker, but the basics are the there and are the same and it is up to the collective of the players to go above themselves.
Mancini or any other manager can do so much but then the 'team' have to take over. The bottom line is why it takes time, why sometimes you need a crisis to forment it.
Where Mancini earns his crust is in having us organised enough to beat teams like Chelsea at their own game at this stage of our development.. the go and play stuff is ultimately down to the players mojo.

[Ted Hughes]

Couldn't agree less.

Attacking mentality gets teams attacking, defensive mentality gets teams defending, hence when a known manager takes over a team, you almost always know what type of football it will play. The idea that these players wouldn't attack if they hadn't been concentrating on other things, is frankly beyond ridicule.

[the_georgian_genius]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

Exactly.

Controlling a game is having the ability to pass the ball around in your opponent's half, not your own half. The rags passed it around our half on a few occassions in the last derby, but couldn't find a breakthrough. We only managed to pass it around our own half and that's why I agreed with Baconface when he said they controlled the game.

Like I said, I know we'll lose some games by showing too much ambition and we'll win some games playing ugly, but we always have to try to win. Always.

You don't think that Mancini doesn't always go for the win do you?

[Ted Hughes]

Even when you throw Bob a load of compliments, his disciples aren't happy.

Why don't you just post what you'd like us to say & we'll go with that?

[gillie]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

Exactly.

Controlling a game is having the ability to pass the ball around in your opponent's half, not your own half. The rags passed it around our half on a few occassions in the last derby, but couldn't find a breakthrough. We only managed to pass it around our own half and that's why I agreed with Baconface when he said they controlled the game.

Like I said, I know we'll lose some games by showing too much ambition and we'll win some games playing ugly, but we always have to try to win. Always.

You don't think that Mancini doesn't always go for the win do you?

Every manager sends there team out to win surely.But some managers also send out teams not to lose.

[Original Dub]

Well done Bobby, spot on today. Advancing Yaya and starting Barry and Zabba whilst generally taking the shackles off and putting the emphasis on attack.

Has the penny dropped yet? I hope so!!

The thing is, it's basically the same set up but with an emphasis on going forward. That's all most of us are asking for, not chucking on 4 forwards as Bob has suggested. Against Brum, DeJong & Yaya were often in our own half even in the last 10 mins or so. Today they were in the opponent's half ten minutes in, along with Barry, Silva Jo,Tevez & one or both fullbacks.

Thankyou Bob for restoring my faith that we do actually know how to attack. Great performance.

Exactly.

Controlling a game is having the ability to pass the ball around in your opponent's half, not your own half. The rags passed it around our half on a few occassions in the last derby, but couldn't find a breakthrough. We only managed to pass it around our own half and that's why I agreed with Baconface when he said they controlled the game.

Like I said, I know we'll lose some games by showing too much ambition and we'll win some games playing ugly, but we always have to try to win. Always.

You don't think that Mancini doesn't always go for the win do you?

Absolutely not.

There are quite a lot of games where his empahsis was "not to lose". Arsenal away last season. We faced an injury ravaged team that we could have steam rolled and made our chances of getting fourth far easier. The rags at home, both this and last season. There are others too, where the emphasis was on not conceding or losing.

The emphasis should ALWAYS be on winning. That is why Spurs are now playing champion's league football and we're not IMO. not because they have a better team. Because they went for it and we didn't.

We can destroy any team on the planet with the squad we have. Sometimes it won't work out, but there is no excuse whatsoever for not trying to win every football match.

I believe we're the top scorers away from home at the moment. I love it. We just need to be more attack minded at home.

[brite blu sky]

Couldn't agree less.

Attacking mentality gets teams attacking, defensive mentality gets teams defending, hence when a known manager takes over a team, you almost always know what type of football it will play. The idea that these players wouldn't attack if they hadn't been concentrating on other things, is frankly beyond ridicule.

That is true, but we dont know what Mancini's style of play is do we? That is why there is so much debate.

People seem to think that we didn't attack Brum.. and in some way the mentality wasn't right and as a consequence blamed Mancini. How many runs did Yaya make against Brum?, How many shots did Milner and deJong have?

i was saying all last week that a lot of analysis was skewed out of disappointment and i am now thinking that even more.

[paulmclaren]

Bet all the people saying he should be sacked have changed there minds once again?

[Ted Hughes]

Couldn't agree less.

Attacking mentality gets teams attacking, defensive mentality gets teams defending, hence when a known manager takes over a team, you almost always know what type of football it will play. The idea that these players wouldn't attack if they hadn't been concentrating on other things, is frankly beyond ridicule.

That is true, but we dont know what Mancini's style of play is do we? That is why there is so much debate.

People seem to think that we didn't attack Brum.. and in some way the mentality wasn't right and as a consequence blamed Mancini. How many runs did Yaya make against Brum?, How many shots did Milner and deJong have?

i was saying all last week that a lot of analysis was skewed out of disappointment and i am now thinking that even more.

If you read my posts, I was arguing the case that we DID attack Birmingham but were crap at it because we lacked conviction.

[Beefymcfc]

Can I just throw something in the mix?

We've just been through a game patch of 5 games in 14 days. Did this have an affect on out latter performances such as Rags and Brum and has the weeks rest give us renewed vigour?

[brite blu sky]

Couldn't agree less.

Attacking mentality gets teams attacking, defensive mentality gets teams defending, hence when a known manager takes over a team, you almost always know what type of football it will play. The idea that these players wouldn't attack if they hadn't been concentrating on other things, is frankly beyond ridicule.

That is true, but we dont know what Mancini's style of play is do we? That is why there is so much debate.

People seem to think that we didn't attack Brum.. and in some way the mentality wasn't right and as a consequence blamed Mancini. How many runs did Yaya make against Brum?, How many shots did Milner and deJong have?

i was saying all last week that a lot of analysis was skewed out of disappointment and i am now thinking that even more.

If you read my posts, I was arguing the case that we DID attack Birmingham but were crap at it because we lacked conviction.

Ok ( i did read them) so that then mutated into a reasoning that the manager not sending them out to win.. attack.. whatever sentiment?
What im getting at is that you blamed Mancini full on, not the players.

[Original Dub]

Bet all the people saying he should be sacked have changed there minds once again?

I think there was only maybe one or two who said they wanted him sacked immediately.

Quite a few are still unsure and I for one said if we kept being frightened to attack teams I would also want him gone. Today was brilliant, but there's a bit to go yet to convince me fully.

[brite blu sky]

Can I just throw something in the mix?

We've just been through a game patch of 5 games in 14 days. Did this have an affect on out latter performances such as Rags and Brum and has the weeks rest give us renewed vigour?

I said that too, but oh no.. it was all about Mancini not wanting to attack.

FFS.. arguing this makes me sound like i am a total Mancini backer, where i am not.

time for a beer.. City 4 Fulham 1

3pts off the top!!

[Ted Hughes]

Couldn't agree less.

Attacking mentality gets teams attacking, defensive mentality gets teams defending, hence when a known manager takes over a team, you almost always know what type of football it will play. The idea that these players wouldn't attack if they hadn't been concentrating on other things, is frankly beyond ridicule.

That is true, but we dont know what Mancini's style of play is do we? That is why there is so much debate.

People seem to think that we didn't attack Brum.. and in some way the mentality wasn't right and as a consequence blamed Mancini. How many runs did Yaya make against Brum?, How many shots did Milner and deJong have?

i was saying all last week that a lot of analysis was skewed out of disappointment and i am now thinking that even more.

If you read my posts, I was arguing the case that we DID attack Birmingham but were crap at it because we lacked conviction.

Ok ( i did read them) so that then mutated into a reasoning that the manager not sending them out to win.. attack.. whatever sentiment?
What im getting at is that you blamed Mancini full on, not the players.

I think he did send them out to win v Brum but he'd embued the squad with a cautious cruise control mentality where it's ok to draw if things get tough, so long as we don't lose. The 4th place mentality. I think there's absolutely no excuse for the manager of a squad like we have, struggling to produce good standard attacking football. There are plenty of excuses for not winning or for losing, shit happens & I understand that but not being able to produce a top standard of attacking football with that squad is simply not good enough. Today we surpassed that & I'm not sure people realise actually just how good we were. Today we had a 1st place mentality & very few teams could have lived with us, home or away.

[the_georgian_genius]

Can I just throw something in the mix?

We've just been through a game patch of 5 games in 14 days. Did this have an affect on out latter performances such as Rags and Brum and has the weeks rest give us renewed vigour?

I said that too, but oh no.. it was all about Mancini not wanting to attack.

FFS.. arguing this makes me sound like i am a total Mancini backer, where i am not.

time for a beer.. City 4 Fulham 1

3pts off the top!!

You'll soon get accused of being up his arse mate.