Tevez hands in transfer request?????

[Beefymcfc]

Interesting quote in that ESPN article:

"If this matter goes to FIFA, then so be it. Any compensation that FIFA might award to City would be less than the amount they can command in the transfer market for the player. It would make sense to sell the player, that is the sensible solution all round. Let's hope the club sees reason."

From a purely financial view that's true, and with the UEFA rules, City may be forced into it. But, possibly our mega-minted owners might see the value in calling his bluff, pour encourage les autres...

Who the fuck is supposed to have said that? Certainly nobody from City. If that's Kia Cuntface again; yes it might be less money for City than they'd get in the market but it'll still be millions & it will be coming straight out of Kia/Tevez' pocket, which will mean he's been playing for next to fuck all. Well worth it.

FIFA would or could never sanction such a move, if they set such a precedent it would fuck things up more than the Bosman, every player who wanted out of his contract would just do the same and it'd become carnage. However, it won't stop Blatter from portraying us as slave traders as he did in the Tranny move.

And yes, that's got to be from Kia Joor-a-wanker, and most probably originally reported by Neil Poo'tashton.

[Ted Hughes]

Interesting snippet from the 'Mail'.

City also claim to have damning email evidence showing how Joorabchian asked for a contract extension for his client just a few weeks ago. This is denied by the Tevez camp.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z182OYZbXC

[gillie]

Imho the biggest mistake the club made was making Tevez captain.He can't or won't learn English and it just gave Joorabchian extra ammo to use with Tevez when he decided to try to milk us for a few more million.We must learn that star players dont make good captains we had a great captain in Tony Book and he was nowhere near a star player.

[Lev Bronstein]

Imho the biggest mistake the club made was making Tevez captain.He can't or won't learn English and it just gave Joorabchian extra ammo to use with Tevez when he decided to try to milk us for a few more million.We must learn that star players dont make good captains we had a great captain in Tony Book and he was nowhere near a star player.

The world and his wife knows that we've done loads to show him respect, to show him that we value his service and shown consideration and sympathy to his personal circumstances. Making him captain was part of this.

He's not been a good captain because he hasn't been the organiser on the pitch, making sure the manager's plan is being followed, making sure the players do their job and generally gluing the team together. I'm not sure many captains do that these days.

Still, I reackon we have a couple at least who could do the job, NdJ, & VK for example.

[ronk]

Am I the only one who thinks this is salvageable?

Problems with executives, agent bullshit. He seems willing to play and has been good. If he continues to perform then we can see who wants him in January. If there's a reasonable deal to be made, then maybe it will happen. If not, then he doesn't want to leave badly enough and it's not our problem. He can ride it out until summer.

[Lev Bronstein]

Am I the only one who thinks this is salvageable?

Problems with executives, agent bullshit. He seems willing to play and has been good. If he continues to perform then we can see who wants him in January. If there's a reasonable deal to be made, then maybe it will happen. If not, then he doesn't want to leave badly enough and it's not our problem. He can ride it out until summer.

Of course not. I'm actually certain some sort of face saving deal will be worked out. It's just that the love is gone.

[Sheikhermaker]

I think Tev expected the media to react in his favour, and a lot of what I've read and heard has sympathised with MCFC. I'm expecting a climbdown by weekend, 'issues have been resolved' statement from Carlos/Kia and for us to come out squeaky clean.

[Ted Hughes]

The general feeling in the press seems to be that Real won't sanction a move for Tevez. If that's true, he needs Barca to make an offer or he's stuck between City & retirement/lawsuit.

Can't help feeling Tevez/Kia Joorarsehole have dropped an enormous, gigantic bollock here.

One paper says Joorabchian is also Hughes' agent. Is that true? I never knew that.

[Lee_R]

I can see this..

Mancini.. 'Win me the league, save face and we will let you go at the end of the season'.

Tevez..'Uh?'.

[john68]

Ted,
I just cannot believe that Joorabchian would advise his client to make such a move, if he hadbn't first thought it all out and had a get out strategy. "Give us what we want, or we'll....????" It just doesn't figure. If Joorabchian is supposed to be the wily clever character that he is portrayed to be, he must have considered the implications if City simply said "NO!"

City hold all the legal aces. They have a signed contract that would be upheld in a court and they have his football registration that will be upheld by the FA, UeFA and even FIFA. None of those bodies dare not back City as it would open the system (their system) to Worldwide anarchy.

I have read your theory Ted but it is this bit that I can't get my head round. Joorabchian ain't an idiot. As much as he may want to attack Cook and Marwood and possibly the City club itself, surely he would realise that his chances of winning were risky (too risky???) and surely he would have already set up an escape route.

Suppose we are looking for too many complicated circumstances mate. Suppose that it was Tevez himself that instigated this Suppose he told Joorabchian last August, "I want out" and the reports are true that Joorabchian talked him out of it. Suppose that Joorabchian realised that Tevez was was on a loser from the start.
Tevez says "Kia, get me a rise and a contract extension" and Joorabchian says "You're the boss Carlos but you ain't got a cat in hell's chance mate". Suppose that Tevez is that stupid that he pushed this from his own head and Joorabchian, as his rep went along with his client's wishes. Remembering that Tevez employs him and not the other way round.

I don't know Ted, but the whole thing seems to be far too stupid for a clued up guy like Joorabchian. It now seems that the only option Tevez has is to either swallow a lump of humble pie and place himself at the mercy of the City club and fans, or hope to hell that someone, somewhere can dig up the cash to buy him from a club that are refusing to sell him....and where the fuck does he think he'll get a club to match his wages?

I think that Joorabchian is far too experienced and astute a bloke to push his client up so obvious a cul de sac as this.

Love to hear your comments Ted mate, as I am still astounded at the bollox they seem to have made of this.

[ryanmjo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... USIVE.html

Don't think I've seen this posted. Talks between Mancini and Tevez set for Friday.

[john@staustell]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1338348/Roberto-Mancini-set-crunch-talks-rebel-Carlos-Tevez--EXCLUSIVE.html

Don't think I've seen this posted. Talks between Mancini and Tevez set for Friday.

Good old Mail. They've got a finger on the pulse. Even a quote from Malouda to back up the story!

[Beefymcfc]

Here's a scenario for you. What if this has been pre-planned all along?

We know that Tevez and Kia have been together for years and that they have a very strong relationship, family like if you will. Well, who's to say that these 2, who are thick as thieve's haven't cooked a scheme up to get into the most lucrative league in the world and milk it for all that they can get?

This may sound far fetched, but when you think about it, Carlos seems intent on getting back to Argentina and has been quite open about it. It may have been Kia who persuaded him to get himself away from there to rake the money in, planning on taking the big sign-on fee's and wages to earn maximum money in a relatively short space of time in order to get Carlos back home to the place he truly loves. To that end, they now see an opportunity to either get a new contract for big buck's (and another signing on fee) or they move again, to say Real, Barca, Milan etc, and get the big sign-on fee and another lucrative pay-day. All-in-all, Carlos is the ultimate mercenary who gets to retire back home with all his family set-up for life before he's even reached 30 years old.

It sounds like the ultimate hustle in a way, and if true, one of the wealthiest one's going.

Just a thought.

[john@staustell]

Here's a scenario for you. What if this has been pre-planned all along?

We know that Tevez and Kia have been together for years and that they have a very strong relationship, family like if you will. Well, who's to say that these 2, who are thick as thieve's haven't cooked a scheme up to get into the most lucrative league in the world and milk it for all that they can get?

This may sound far fetched, but when you think about it, Carlos seems intent on getting back to Argentina and has been quite open about it. It may have been Kia who persuaded him to get himself away from there to rake the money in, planning on taking the big sign-on fee's and wages to earn maximum money in a relatively short space of time in order to get Carlos back home to the place he truly loves. To that end, they now see an opportunity to either get a new contract for big buck's (and another signing on fee) or they move again, to say Real, Barca, Milan etc, and get the big sign-on fee and another lucrative pay-day. All-in-all, Carlos is the ultimate mercenary who gets to retire back home with all his family set-up for life before he's even reached 30 years old.

It sounds like the ultimate hustle in a way, and if true, one of the wealthiest one's going.

Just a thought.

Personally I think Tevez is really, really thick. He has been grabbed and manipulated by that leech throughout his career. That, combined with the odd random piece of emotional idiocy thrown in by himself, is at the root of this situation (these situations).

[Beefymcfc]

Here's a scenario for you. What if this has been pre-planned all along?

We know that Tevez and Kia have been together for years and that they have a very strong relationship, family like if you will. Well, who's to say that these 2, who are thick as thieve's haven't cooked a scheme up to get into the most lucrative league in the world and milk it for all that they can get?

This may sound far fetched, but when you think about it, Carlos seems intent on getting back to Argentina and has been quite open about it. It may have been Kia who persuaded him to get himself away from there to rake the money in, planning on taking the big sign-on fee's and wages to earn maximum money in a relatively short space of time in order to get Carlos back home to the place he truly loves. To that end, they now see an opportunity to either get a new contract for big buck's (and another signing on fee) or they move again, to say Real, Barca, Milan etc, and get the big sign-on fee and another lucrative pay-day. All-in-all, Carlos is the ultimate mercenary who gets to retire back home with all his family set-up for life before he's even reached 30 years old.

It sounds like the ultimate hustle in a way, and if true, one of the wealthiest one's going.

Just a thought.

Personally I think Tevez is really, really thick. He has been grabbed and manipulated by that leech throughout his career. That, combined with the odd random piece of emotional idiocy thrown in by himself, is at the root of this situation (these situations).

He may be thick mate, but that doesn't mean he isn't accomplice in this matter, afterall, he is making a tidy packet out of it all and will be a very rich man when he moves back.

[Guy Debord]

Henry Winter in The Telegraph

It is impossible to escape the suspicion that this is about Joorabchian as much as Tévez. Two years ago, the agent was a powerful figure inside Eastlands.

He brought in former manager Mark Hughes, former chief operating officer, Paul Aldridge, and Cook. But ever since the Arab owners installed Marwood, Joorabchian has found doors closing to him, notably to the directors’ box and manager’s office.

Where once Joorabchian’s influence spread right across City, now his only remaining area of control is the captain.

The latest City accounts reveal that agents’ fees have been effectively halved from £12 million; Marwood’s negotiating skills have had an impact. Last summer, Joorabchian even tried to become involved in the Yaya Touré deal. City outmanoeuvred him.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... Tevez.html

[Beeks]

Henry Winter: Manchester City must remember that the club is bigger than any one player - including Carlos Tévez

Adios, amigo, and thanks for all the goals. If Carlos Tévez leaves for Real Madrid, there can be no doubt that Manchester City and the Premier League would be a poorer place without the sparkling little Argentine. Eastlands and English football would, however, be a better place without his agent, Kia Joorabchian.

Unless Tévez apologises profusely to City for his pathetic behaviour, the club will sell him to the highest bidder and Madrid possess the funds and interest.

As Joorabchian has a track record of moving his client every year or two, few at Eastlands are holding their breath for any announcement of an about-turn, even contrition. In football, sorry always seems to be the hardest word. Tévez is off, trailing recriminations.

Tévez appears a rebel without a real cause. City have been generous to him with time off to see his daughters in Buenos Aires and financially, although understandably resistant to recent salary demands of £22 million a year (before tax).

Tévez’s toxic statement focused his anger on unnamed “executives’’, understood to be the chief executive officer, Garry Cook, and the football administrator Brian Marwood.

This must have come as a surprise to them, given their minimal contact with the player during the season. Cook and Marwood are too busy working to bring top players in to support Tévez.

It is impossible to escape the suspicion that this is about Joorabchian as much as Tévez. Two years ago, the agent was a powerful figure inside Eastlands.

He brought in former manager Mark Hughes, former chief operating officer, Paul Aldridge, and Cook. But ever since the Arab owners installed Marwood, Joorabchian has found doors closing to him, notably to the directors’ box and manager’s office.

Where once Joorabchian’s influence spread right across City, now his only remaining area of control is the captain.

The latest City accounts reveal that agents’ fees have been effectively halved from £12 million; Marwood’s negotiating skills have had an impact. Last summer, Joorabchian even tried to become involved in the Yaya Touré deal. City outmanoeuvred him.

The agents’ gravy train has hit the buffers at Eastlands. Tévez’s loyalty to Joorabchian is undoubted; he sees the businessman as the individual who helped him escape Fort Apache in Buenos Aires, who took him to Corinthians, and then to the streets paved with gold in London and Manchester.

But how well advised is he?

Four miles from Eastlands lie the good offices of the Professional Footballers’ Association, whose chief executive Gordon Taylor needs to have a quiet word with one of his most high-profile members.

If Tévez is considering going on strike to force his way out of City, as is feared, then Taylor must intervene. The players’ union leader knows how public anger over arrogant footballers intensified during the Wayne Rooney affair.

If Tévez withdrew his labour then the backlash against the sport, and its well-paid practitioners, would be long and damaging.

The sadness with Tévez is that he’s actually at the perfect club for him. He has always appeared the type who works best when not surrounded by marquee names; he was not an automatic starter at United.

The frustration for City is that these should be good times for them and Tévez, basking in the glow of their Premier League and Europa League prominence.

Now their headline act, their biggest shirt seller (although David Silva is increasingly the new darling of the terrace) wants out. The homesickness card played by Tévez lost some of its legitimacy when he disappeared last weekend for a four-day break, not with his children in Buenos Aires, but on holiday with a friend in Tenerife.

The suspicion is that Tévez will be playing in Spain next year, possibly at Madrid, which is hardly on the edge of the Pampas. Jose Mourinho admires the live wire front-runner and has issues with Higuaín (fitness) and Karim Benzema (focus), making the Bernabeu an obvious destination if Real can meet City’s fee.

Barcelona enjoy new riches from their Qatar 2022 shirt sponsorship deal but are more likely to be saving up for a raid on the Emirates for Cesc Fabregas next summer.

With Pedro and Andrés Iniesta flanking David Villa, it is also difficult to see how Tévez would fit into Pep Guardiola’s tactical plans. Inter Milan are a possibility, having contacted City about Tévez last summer, but are believed to be cutting squad costs.

Amid all the uncertainty, one thing is for sure: Tévez will not retire. He is too young (26), too fit and too passionate about the game. Tévez also needs a club so he can continue to represent Argentina, an honour understandably close to his heart.

As well as Cook, Marwood and City fans, there must also be sympathy towards manager Roberto Mancini, who has had to endure a dissent from Tévez when substituted.

The Italian is too diplomatic to proclaim publicly but the reason why he brings Tévez off, usually late on, is so the player can either receive an ovation or avoid injury. If this inelegant episode highlights the power of the agent, it can also show that no player is bigger than the club. City will survive without Tévez.

Silva, an unsung hero, played one of the passes of the season for Adam Johnson’s goal at West Ham on Saturday. Tévez missed that game and City still won. Life goes on.

There is a simple message that Mancini can deliver to those players who remain: City are not a one-man team. Not with Silva and Yaya in such good form.

Not with such a reliable back-four so adeptly organised by Vincent Kompany in front of such an outstanding keeper as Joe Hart.

City have the players, the money, the staff, the fans and the manager to keep the Blue Moon rising. City will miss Tévez for a while. They wouldn’t miss Joorabchian for an instant.

[Mike J]

nice article that.

[Beeks]

From the MEN

Tevez points the finger at Cook

Stuart Brennan

December 14, 2010

Carlos Tevez’s advisers have claimed his beef with City is down to chief executive Garry Cook’s failure to come good on “written assurances”.

The Argentine striker’s advisers have refused to reveal the nature of the assurances, saying they are private and confidential.

But it appears that they refer to an enhanced boot deal and other commercial remuneration.

However, the claim is just one of several factors contributing to the player’s unhappiness at City.

His people say Tevez does not feel City is a happy place to work, and that he wants a move to Spain in the hope of persuading his estranged wife Vanesa to move there with his daughters so he can be a bigger part of their life.

He has also had professional differences with manager Roberto Mancini, although that has not been a major reason for his desire to leave.

City officials believe Tevez’s people are putting out mixed messages, something which the player’s advisers refute.

The club says it is sympathetic to Tevez’s family situation, and has bent over backwards to help him, allowing him time to travel back to Argentina when mutually convenient.

If Tevez is so keen to be close to his girls, he would be after a move to Boca Juniors, but that is out of the question because they do not pay anything like the wages of European clubs. There is also the fact that, given a long weekend off, Tevez flew to the beaches of Tenerife rather than to Buenos Aires.

Tevez’s statement released on Sunday night said that he has issues with certain executives and individuals, which appeared to be a shot at chief executive Cook and football administrator Brian Marwood.

Question

That now appears to have been narrowed down to chief executive Cook, but it still poses the question of what the fall-out was about.

City have made the point that Tevez and Cook would not normally deal with each other, unless in matters of a financial nature, which backs up their view that the whole problem is about money.

Tevez’s people have ridiculed that view, saying the fall-out was clearly not a face-to-face affair, but had been through the medium of the Argentine’s advisor Kia Joorabchian.

Tevez’s camp have made it plain that the player’s problem with Cook was not a personal one, but because the chief executive failed to give him certain “assurances”.

The upshot from Tevez’s camp is that the player is now unhappy at City and wants to go, although they have denied he ever said he would walk out and played his last game for the club, as reported elsewhere.

They say the situation with his daughters is a major factor, and Tevez feels that if he moves to a Spanish-speaking country – clearly Spain – he has a chance of persuading his estranged wife to move there.

The central figure in all this is Joorabchian, whom City believe is behind the whole affair.

Joorabchian denies that emphatically, claiming he is acting on Tevez’s wishes.

The former car salesman, who also advises former City boss Mark Hughes, has made a pretty penny out of Tevez, taking cuts from his moves from Corinthians to West Ham, to United and thence to City.

While he stays with the Blues, Arsenal fan Joorabchian makes nothing out of him, and that has inspired the belief at City that Joorabchian is behind Tevez’s sudden desire to leave.

He has also been trying to ride the Blues gravy train in other ways, seeking to get involved in the Robinho deal and the aborted Kaka move, after which Cook said City “did not need and did not seek” his help. Joorabchian and his ilk like to oil the wheels of the transfer merry-go-round, because the faster it goes, the better the spin-offs.

The problem City face is that Tevez is very loyal to Joorabchian, who he credits with turning him from a poverty-stricken kid from Buenos Aires into a multi-millionaire. That kind of debt goes a long way on the mean streets of Fort Apache.

Tevez’s retort that he had asked to leave in August, and had been offered a new contract, was utterly refuted by City, who have a strict policy of not renegotiating deals during the season.

The Blues say there were some talks in August about a boot deal and other commercial agreements, but not a playing contract, and that there had been no intimation from Tevez that he wanted to leave.

Suspended

“There has been no expression from Carlos, to anyone at City, that he wanted to leave in the summer. We totally reject the claim that he told us he wanted to leave in August,” an insider told M.E.N. Sport.

But it is difficult to discern what Tevez will get out of this sorry affair.

He is already possibly the world’s highest-paid player – one thing to emerge from the manoeuvring of the last three days is that he gets a staggering £230,000 a week.

He also has a manager who has allowed him to fly back to see his family whenever it has been possible, and gave him an extra day off after he was suspended following a booking for kicking the ball away.

There was also a suggestion that Tevez had had enough of living in England, although that seems to have become a disenchantment of living in Manchester.

That appeared to suggest Tevez was considering a move to Chelsea, the only club in this country who could feasibly afford him.

But his people have ruled out any move to the Londoners, and say the player is instead intent on heading to a Spanish-speaking country.

City fans have also been puzzled by what seems to be a quick turnaround for someone who recently moved into a new house in Mottram St Andrew with a longer deal, signing for two years with an option for a third.

It would also be a strange U-turn from the man who invited the club website’s cameras into his home, and talked freely about his future at City just three weeks ago.

There were no guns held to his head to conduct that interview, and any suggestions he was forced to do it do not ring true to anyone who has asked Tevez for a few words.

[Ted Hughes]

Ted,
I just cannot believe that Joorabchian would advise his client to make such a move, if he hadbn't first thought it all out and had a get out strategy. "Give us what we want, or we'll....????" It just doesn't figure. If Joorabchian is supposed to be the wily clever character that he is portrayed to be, he must have considered the implications if City simply said "NO!"

City hold all the legal aces. They have a signed contract that would be upheld in a court and they have his football registration that will be upheld by the FA, UeFA and even FIFA. None of those bodies dare not back City as it would open the system (their system) to Worldwide anarchy.

I have read your theory Ted but it is this bit that I can't get my head round. Joorabchian ain't an idiot. As much as he may want to attack Cook and Marwood and possibly the City club itself, surely he would realise that his chances of winning were risky (too risky???) and surely he would have already set up an escape route.

Suppose we are looking for too many complicated circumstances mate. Suppose that it was Tevez himself that instigated this Suppose he told Joorabchian last August, "I want out" and the reports are true that Joorabchian talked him out of it. Suppose that Joorabchian realised that Tevez was was on a loser from the start.
Tevez says "Kia, get me a rise and a contract extension" and Joorabchian says "You're the boss Carlos but you ain't got a cat in hell's chance mate". Suppose that Tevez is that stupid that he pushed this from his own head and Joorabchian, as his rep went along with his client's wishes. Remembering that Tevez employs him and not the other way round.

I don't know Ted, but the whole thing seems to be far too stupid for a clued up guy like Joorabchian. It now seems that the only option Tevez has is to either swallow a lump of humble pie and place himself at the mercy of the City club and fans, or hope to hell that someone, somewhere can dig up the cash to buy him from a club that are refusing to sell him....and where the fuck does he think he'll get a club to match his wages?

I think that Joorabchian is far too experienced and astute a bloke to push his client up so obvious a cul de sac as this.

Love to hear your comments Ted mate, as I am still astounded at the bollox they seem to have made of this.

Joorabchian does have a get out strategy; Tevez moves in the summer. Tevez is the one who has half a season of shit to deal with, not KJ. Unless Tevez retires, KJ can't lose. He still gets the money from the present contract, he gets the money from an improved contract or he gets the money from a transfer, either now or in the summer. So long as he can make sure Tevez doesn't quit, he wins whatever happens. It could be that there is some genuine truth in Tevez sometimes getting depressed & wanting to quit & go home. That would cost KJ a fortune so it's in his interest to get another big pay off before that happens. I also believe the stories about Cook & Co marginalising KJ which are backed up by the media. He's at war with them imo.

The person who has to take the flak whilst this is going on is Tevez not KJ. To Joorabchian, it's only a huge bollock dropped if he's genuinely after the best result for Tevez. If he's only interested in himself, it's no problem how bad the near future is for Tevez provided he gets his cut of the next transfer.

One simple comment from a City fan on Talksport gives a pretty good reason for Joorabchian doing this: 'he makes money when Tevez moves & with Platini's regulations coming in, if he doesn't move him soon, it's unlikely he'll be able to'.

Where it could go horribly wrong for KJ is if Tevez gets so pissed off with the whole thing that he does actually quit.

Here's a bit of Henry Winter's piece on it, which makes me think there was more to Hughes' sacking than was obvious:

It is impossible to escape the suspicion that this is about Joorabchian as much as Tévez. Two years ago, the agent was a powerful figure inside Eastlands.

He brought in former manager Mark Hughes, former chief operating officer, Paul Aldridge, and Cook. But ever since the Arab owners installed Marwood, Joorabchian has found doors closing to him, notably to the directors’ box and manager’s office.

Where once Joorabchian’s influence spread right across City, now his only remaining area of control is the captain.

The latest City accounts reveal that agents’ fees have been effectively halved from £12 million; Marwood’s negotiating skills have had an impact. Last summer, Joorabchian even tried to become involved in the Yaya Touré deal. City outmanoeuvred him.

The agents’ gravy train has hit the buffers at Eastlands. Tévez’s loyalty to Joorabchian is undoubted; he sees the businessman as the individual who helped him escape Fort Apache in Buenos Aires, who took him to Corinthians, and then to the streets paved with gold in London and Manchester.

But how well advised is he?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... Tevez.html