Tevez hands in transfer request?????

[BobKowalski]

I smell something different, ok taking KJ at his word and Tevez for that matter. If this whole thing is about ambition and player aquisitions to back up that ambition.
Hughes went because they decided he couldn't bring the players needed?
They promise a manager who can. and make assurances on new players.
They fail to bring in the players.. namely strikers.

They have used KJ to try and help bring in players throughout, but the Club decided that they could do without him or do better or are not impressed.

Sum total it is about bringing players in to match the ambition and the failure so far to do that. Feasible?

This has been my perception of things for a while, confirmed by the little bust-up when Carlos was brought off. In the clubs defence, it wasn't as if they didn't try for some big name's and if they knew about this Dzeko message in August, I'm sure they would have passed that info to Carlos to keep him appeased. Then when you look at the quality of the other player's brought in, you'd have to say that you'd be more than impressed with our intent.

I think there are actually 2 issue's, the one you mention and the other being Mancio's early season tactic's, putting Carlos under massive pressure to win game's for us with very little help. That's why after the bust-up in the dressing room, we seen an all-round better attacking display from the team and a tactical point of view. And that's why Joor-a-cuntoid chose this time to manipulate Carlos into the request, knowing that it was now or never as we were beginning to look the real deal.

Well as i am banging on about there is a possibility this is what it is about. As for the players we brought yes great, but no dependable out and out strikers! We tried and failed. KJ could have a beef about that if he was sidelined around the same time. Tevez would be aware of that due to relation with KJ.
But Carlos is not working for KJ, and so the transfer request has to be about forcing City. Tevez has a point as it is he that has taken and has to take the burden on the pitch.

Are you actually serious. A striker has to take the burden of... Hang on... Let me get this straight... Playing up front on his own? Its the system we play! The rags play it, as do Chelsea. God it must be horrid doing what your paid to do, what a burden of being top scorer.

Exactly. The poor lamb will be requesting a sun lounger and masseuse by the side of the pitch next. Tevez loves being top dog and the center of attention. Personally I think he is more upset we signed Balotelli and his status as Mancini's (and maybe the clubs favourite son) then not signing the players he wants. Just a thought.

[PeterParker]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/vie ... k-Carlos-/?

CARLOS TEVEZ looked anything but unsettled when he returned to training with Manchester City yesterday.


The Argentinian, who says he is missing his family back home, looked a picture of happiness leaving the club’s Carrington training ground with a mystery blonde.

Tevez was back at the club after a mini-break in Tenerife, during which news broke of his transfer request.
But City defender Micah Richards has pleaded with him to stay.


Tevez is set for showdown talks with boss Roberto Mancini on Friday where he is expected to be stripped of the captaincy.

He is expected to be left at home to train with the reserves while Mancini’s men are in Europa League action against Juventus in Turin tomorrow.

He has netted 33 times in 50 Premier League outings and Richards said on Twitter: “Seen so many players come and go. But Carlos would be a big loss. If he left I’d be gutted.

“Same sort of feeling as when Dunney (Richard Dunne) and Superman (Stephen Ireland) left.

“I can’t say much on Carlos. He’s a top guy.

Whatever happens, Gaffer will be in control and we’re focused on next game.”

Boss Mancini is already in Italy and will not see Tevez until the end of the week.

Tevez was back in training yesterday after returning from a break in Tenerife.

He arrived in a huge black Hummer at midday before disappearing inside the main building.

City insist they will not sell Tevez, and are considering the possibility of suing him if he refuses to honour his contract.

Mancini wants Tevez to explain himself before deciding whether to take away the captain’s armband.

Real Madrid are unlikely to move to end Tevez’s City hell. The Spanish giants cannot afford a huge fee or match his wages.

That leaves Chelsea and Barcelona among a handful of clubs who can afford him.

City have signed Israel international Gai Assulin on a free transfer. The 19-year old playmaker was released by Barcelona in the summer and has signed a two-and-a-half-year deal.

[BobKowalski]

I smell something different, ok taking KJ at his word and Tevez for that matter. If this whole thing is about ambition and player aquisitions to back up that ambition.
Hughes went because they decided he couldn't bring the players needed?
They promise a manager who can. and make assurances on new players.
They fail to bring in the players.. namely strikers.

They have used KJ to try and help bring in players throughout, but the Club decided that they could do without him or do better or are not impressed.

Sum total it is about bringing players in to match the ambition and the failure so far to do that. Feasible?

This has been my perception of things for a while, confirmed by the little bust-up when Carlos was brought off. In the clubs defence, it wasn't as if they didn't try for some big name's and if they knew about this Dzeko message in August, I'm sure they would have passed that info to Carlos to keep him appeased. Then when you look at the quality of the other player's brought in, you'd have to say that you'd be more than impressed with our intent.

I think there are actually 2 issue's, the one you mention and the other being Mancio's early season tactic's, putting Carlos under massive pressure to win game's for us with very little help. That's why after the bust-up in the dressing room, we seen an all-round better attacking display from the team and a tactical point of view. And that's why Joor-a-cuntoid chose this time to manipulate Carlos into the request, knowing that it was now or never as we were beginning to look the real deal.

So you think they keep Carlos in the loop re transfer activity? Personally I don't as I just don't see anyone at the club sitting down with Carlos to chat transfer strategy over tea and crumpets and see whether he is happy or not. I don't see anyone doing it with KJ either because KJ City had already shown him the door.

Who said anything about sitting him down and talking transfers, more a quiet word in his shell like.

Its the same with tactics with a more flowing pattern emerging along with attacking intent. Its only more evident now because the players are now more up to speed and have had time to adjust to what Mancini wants and the pace etc of the PL. Time was always going to be the key factor and not dressing room arguments during the Newcastle game which was followed some weeks later by the 0-0 Birmingham bore fest so its not as if the timeline fits anyway.

The dressing room incident was just the pent-up fustration which continued onwards, then manifested itself again when subbed against Bolton, with Carlos slyly gesturing that Balotelli should've been off and Mancio having to state why he kept Mario on. These incidents are when I believe Joor-a-twaty-bollox used his slimey manipulative way's to wrangle even deeper into Carlos' mind.

Maybe. Still don't think they even have a quiet word now and then but what do I know.

Tevez was a cock against Bolton and wrong as well but its a minor point in the scheme of things.

[brite blu sky]

I smell something different, ok taking KJ at his word and Tevez for that matter. If this whole thing is about ambition and player aquisitions to back up that ambition.
Hughes went because they decided he couldn't bring the players needed?
They promise a manager who can. and make assurances on new players.
They fail to bring in the players.. namely strikers.

They have used KJ to try and help bring in players throughout, but the Club decided that they could do without him or do better or are not impressed.

Sum total it is about bringing players in to match the ambition and the failure so far to do that. Feasible?

This has been my perception of things for a while, confirmed by the little bust-up when Carlos was brought off. In the clubs defence, it wasn't as if they didn't try for some big name's and if they knew about this Dzeko message in August, I'm sure they would have passed that info to Carlos to keep him appeased. Then when you look at the quality of the other player's brought in, you'd have to say that you'd be more than impressed with our intent.

I think there are actually 2 issue's, the one you mention and the other being Mancio's early season tactic's, putting Carlos under massive pressure to win game's for us with very little help. That's why after the bust-up in the dressing room, we seen an all-round better attacking display from the team and a tactical point of view. And that's why Joor-a-cuntoid chose this time to manipulate Carlos into the request, knowing that it was now or never as we were beginning to look the real deal.

Well as i am banging on about there is a possibility this is what it is about. As for the players we brought yes great, but no dependable out and out strikers! We tried and failed. KJ could have a beef about that if he was sidelined around the same time. Tevez would be aware of that due to relation with KJ.
But Carlos is not working for KJ, and so the transfer request has to be about forcing City. Tevez has a point as it is he that has taken and has to take the burden on the pitch.

Are you actually serious. A striker has to take the burden of... Hang on... Let me get this straight... Playing up front on his own? Its the system we play! The rags play it, as do Chelsea. God it must be horrid doing what your paid to do, what a burden of being top scorer.

As mentioned above, we have Balotelli and Adebayor as well! Also Santa cruz and Jo if needed.

Yes i am serious, and in case you didn't get it.
i believe there is a good possibility this whole thing is about player aquisitions, namely strikers. I think there is good possibility that Tevez does not rate those we had last season to play alongside him (yes that may be egotistical, whatever). So he has demanded assurances from the club. They have not been met, we failed to replace any of RSC, Jo and Adebayor and brought in a player that while he could be fantastic has no track record and is not the kind of player that Tevez is going to warm to on the pitch. The burden is on Tevez and he is fed up of it, considering there were assurances made by the club, in the context of the overall AMBITION.

As i say this imo is a possibility of what this is about, so much so for me it is what i am going with.

[Nick]

I smell something different, ok taking KJ at his word and Tevez for that matter. If this whole thing is about ambition and player aquisitions to back up that ambition.
Hughes went because they decided he couldn't bring the players needed?
They promise a manager who can. and make assurances on new players.
They fail to bring in the players.. namely strikers.

They have used KJ to try and help bring in players throughout, but the Club decided that they could do without him or do better or are not impressed.

Sum total it is about bringing players in to match the ambition and the failure so far to do that. Feasible?

This has been my perception of things for a while, confirmed by the little bust-up when Carlos was brought off. In the clubs defence, it wasn't as if they didn't try for some big name's and if they knew about this Dzeko message in August, I'm sure they would have passed that info to Carlos to keep him appeased. Then when you look at the quality of the other player's brought in, you'd have to say that you'd be more than impressed with our intent.

I think there are actually 2 issue's, the one you mention and the other being Mancio's early season tactic's, putting Carlos under massive pressure to win game's for us with very little help. That's why after the bust-up in the dressing room, we seen an all-round better attacking display from the team and a tactical point of view. And that's why Joor-a-cuntoid chose this time to manipulate Carlos into the request, knowing that it was now or never as we were beginning to look the real deal.

Mate Im not buying for a second that the play/ form we are seeing now is a result of Mancini totally changing his tactics because someone who can barely string a sentence together had a strop. This was Mancios football plan from the start.

[brite blu sky]

I smell something different, ok taking KJ at his word and Tevez for that matter. If this whole thing is about ambition and player aquisitions to back up that ambition.
Hughes went because they decided he couldn't bring the players needed?
They promise a manager who can. and make assurances on new players.
They fail to bring in the players.. namely strikers.

They have used KJ to try and help bring in players throughout, but the Club decided that they could do without him or do better or are not impressed.

Sum total it is about bringing players in to match the ambition and the failure so far to do that. Feasible?

This has been my perception of things for a while, confirmed by the little bust-up when Carlos was brought off. In the clubs defence, it wasn't as if they didn't try for some big name's and if they knew about this Dzeko message in August, I'm sure they would have passed that info to Carlos to keep him appeased. Then when you look at the quality of the other player's brought in, you'd have to say that you'd be more than impressed with our intent.

I think there are actually 2 issue's, the one you mention and the other being Mancio's early season tactic's, putting Carlos under massive pressure to win game's for us with very little help. That's why after the bust-up in the dressing room, we seen an all-round better attacking display from the team and a tactical point of view. And that's why Joor-a-cuntoid chose this time to manipulate Carlos into the request, knowing that it was now or never as we were beginning to look the real deal.

Well as i am banging on about there is a possibility this is what it is about. As for the players we brought yes great, but no dependable out and out strikers! We tried and failed. KJ could have a beef about that if he was sidelined around the same time. Tevez would be aware of that due to relation with KJ.
But Carlos is not working for KJ, and so the transfer request has to be about forcing City. Tevez has a point as it is he that has taken and has to take the burden on the pitch.

Are you actually serious. A striker has to take the burden of... Hang on... Let me get this straight... Playing up front on his own? Its the system we play! The rags play it, as do Chelsea. God it must be horrid doing what your paid to do, what a burden of being top scorer.

Exactly. The poor lamb will be requesting a sun lounger and masseuse by the side of the pitch next. Tevez loves being top dog and the center of attention. Personally I think he is more upset we signed Balotelli and his status as Mancini's (and maybe the clubs favourite son) then not signing the players he wants. Just a thought.

I think you will find, and i would suggest that most if not all City fans would agree, that Tevez is one of the most serious players we have. I would suggest that he is serious enough to be bothered about who we have playing for us so we can achieve what we say we want to.

[Nick]

Also not buying this striker lark. Adebayor is a quality player. Its MANCINI who doesnt rate him.

We splashed out on Mario who is the brightest and one of the most skillful player in Europe.

It is also clear that we tried for Dzeko and looks likely that we will be buying a striker to replace Ade. Any Tevez fuckery has nothing to do Dzeko and if he went we would need ANOTHER top striker.

[BlueMoonAwoken]

I think its a number of things starting with sacking mark hughes, tevez liked him and wanted stabillity and i think the club sacking hughes in the way they did pissed him off and he thought thats the reason we didnt get champions league. Then having bust ups with mancini about training etc,,,

When ballotelli came and got a starting spot and plays for himself rather than the team pissed tevez off and how mancini seemed to favour him. I think tevez is hurt by the fact mancini dont put his arm round him enough and makes him feel wanted, i think he has done this to shock the club so they tell mancini to start showing tevez a lot more respect.

[brite blu sky]

in some other thread...

I want it on the record that the Carlos Tevez affair is about the strike set up at City and nothing more. Tevez didn't like who we had last season and we failed to bring someone that he respected to play the kind of way he wants. You heard it here first. I told you so

[Ted Hughes]

I think its a number of things starting with sacking mark hughes, tevez liked him and wanted stabillity and i think the club sacking hughes in the way they did pissed him off and he thought thats the reason we didnt get champions league. Then having bust ups with mancini about training etc,,,

When ballotelli came and got a starting spot and plays for himself rather than the team pissed tevez off and how mancini seemed to favour him. I think tevez is hurt by the fact mancini dont put his arm round him enough and makes him feel wanted, i think he has done this to shock the club so they tell mancini to start showing tevez a lot more respect.

Wouldn't it be easier to have said so, instead of having a go at Gary Cook?

[Martinez]

If there is anything in this "lack of ambition" -argument or that the club has given Carlos some kind of assurances of uber- greatness which has not been met, his head has grown out of all proportion. When we bought him, he was considered no less of a gamble, at 25m quid, than Adebayor was. He was not a certain starter for the rags and if anyone remembers, he started quite slowly for us as well.

Today I would say he's considered one of the top 10 strikers in the world at least, so fine, ask for a contract re-negotiation but ffs, do it with some humility and recognize that maybe this football club should have some credit for a very positive development of your footballing career. It's all good that he loves his team-mates, the manager and the fans, but if he doesn't realize that also the club has actually been good for him, he's got a short memory, apart for being thick.

Didn't he stress that the supporters of MCFC must be patient, just over a week ago? Now he wants to leave because we haven't won anything, got in the CL or bought the best player in the world during the 2 years he's been here?

[Cityfan]

Well, when someone changes the reasons each time they are quoted because the previous reason doesn't stack up and the one thing they insist on is that it is not about money. I think we can be pretty certain that it is all about money. Personally I suspect more for Joorbachian than Tevez but maybe thats me being naive.

The great quote in the last interview is that Cook had nothing to do with bringing Tevez to CIty which if true rather makes the claim that he broke promises to Tevez ridiculous. If he had nothing to do with bringing him here he can hardly of promised him anything and is unlikely to then start making ridiculous promises once he is here.

[svengali]

I smell something different, ok taking KJ at his word and Tevez for that matter. If this whole thing is about ambition and player aquisitions to back up that ambition.
Hughes went because they decided he couldn't bring the players needed?
They promise a manager who can. and make assurances on new players.
They fail to bring in the players.. namely strikers.

They have used KJ to try and help bring in players throughout, but the Club decided that they could do without him or do better or are not impressed.

Sum total it is about bringing players in to match the ambition and the failure so far to do that. Feasible?

This has been my perception of things for a while, confirmed by the little bust-up when Carlos was brought off. In the clubs defence, it wasn't as if they didn't try for some big name's and if they knew about this Dzeko message in August, I'm sure they would have passed that info to Carlos to keep him appeased. Then when you look at the quality of the other player's brought in, you'd have to say that you'd be more than impressed with our intent.

I think there are actually 2 issue's, the one you mention and the other being Mancio's early season tactic's, putting Carlos under massive pressure to win game's for us with very little help. That's why after the bust-up in the dressing room, we seen an all-round better attacking display from the team and a tactical point of view. And that's why Joor-a-cuntoid chose this time to manipulate Carlos into the request, knowing that it was now or never as we were beginning to look the real deal.

Well as i am banging on about there is a possibility this is what it is about. As for the players we brought yes great, but no dependable out and out strikers! We tried and failed. KJ could have a beef about that if he was sidelined around the same time. Tevez would be aware of that due to relation with KJ.
But Carlos is not working for KJ, and so the transfer request has to be about forcing City. Tevez has a point as it is he that has taken and has to take the burden on the pitch.

Are you actually serious. A striker has to take the burden of... Hang on... Let me get this straight... Playing up front on his own? Its the system we play! The rags play it, as do Chelsea. God it must be horrid doing what your paid to do, what a burden of being top scorer.

As mentioned above, we have Balotelli and Adebayor as well! Also Santa cruz and Jo if needed.

Yes i am serious, and in case you didn't get it.
i believe there is a good possibility this whole thing is about player aquisitions, namely strikers. I think there is good possibility that Tevez does not rate those we had last season to play alongside him (yes that may be egotistical, whatever). So he has demanded assurances from the club. They have not been met, we failed to replace any of RSC, Jo and Adebayor and brought in a player that while he could be fantastic has no track record and is not the kind of player that Tevez is going to warm to on the pitch. The burden is on Tevez and he is fed up of it, considering there were assurances made by the club, in the context of the overall AMBITION.

As i say this imo is a possibility of what this is about, so much so for me it is what i am going with.

Lets hope David Silva doesnt get annoyed at being the creative outlet of the side and everything positive ticking through him then.

I hope Joe Hart doesnt like having the burden of playing in goal.

Seriously if the reasons you have outlined are the reasons Tevez have given then he i'm glad he is going. Deary me. Im sure he would of loved us to have signed his old mate Shrek so we could superglue him back to the bench. Carlos loves being top dog, he wouldnt have it any other way.

[brite blu sky]

Lets hope David Silva doesnt get annoyed at being the creative outlet of the side and everything positive ticking through him then.

I hope Joe Hart doesnt like having the burden of playing in goal.

Seriously if the reasons you have outlined are the reasons Tevez have given then he i'm glad he is going. Deary me. Im sure he would of loved us to have signed his old mate Shrek so we could superglue him back to the bench. Carlos loves being top dog, he wouldnt have it any other way.

I think he probs does like being top dog, so do a lot of competent players and some not so competent.
With due respect you are missing the point. If the reasons are correct then it would be more about other players taking the burden of winning games and not all about Tevez being the hero every game. The suggestion ids that he wants better players up front with him. That is not difficult to understand, and i would suggest that it makes him very commited and serious about what City are setting out to do.

Aside from that, you may well be disappointed. I can see this being resolved for the real reasons and Tevez sticking around as well. If that is the case you will have to swallow your pride and upset at him and suffer watching him bang in goals on our way to the title.

just sayin..

[Lev Bronstein]

Let me get this right. CT is pissed off because we didn't buy the sort of striker who is so good that he's in front of Carlos in the pecking order, and Carlos spends more time on the bench. So, given that, he's caused all this fuss to force the club to go and buy one of the best strikers in the game - something Gary Cooke is reluctant to do apparantly.

Aw bless!!! He really has the best interests of the club at heart hasn't he?


Or maybe I've missed something??

[Ted Hughes]

Lets hope David Silva doesnt get annoyed at being the creative outlet of the side and everything positive ticking through him then.

I hope Joe Hart doesnt like having the burden of playing in goal.

Seriously if the reasons you have outlined are the reasons Tevez have given then he i'm glad he is going. Deary me. Im sure he would of loved us to have signed his old mate Shrek so we could superglue him back to the bench. Carlos loves being top dog, he wouldnt have it any other way.

I think he probs does like being top dog, so do a lot of competent players and some not so competent.
With due respect you are missing the point. If the reasons are correct then it would be more about other players taking the burden of winning games and not all about Tevez being the hero every game. The suggestion ids that he wants better players up front with him. That is not difficult to understand, and i would suggest that it makes him very commited and serious about what City are setting out to do.

Aside from that, you may well be disappointed. I can see this being resolved for the real reasons and Tevez sticking around as well. If that is the case you will have to swallow your pride and upset at him and suffer watching him bang in goals on our way to the title.

just sayin..

Well according to Gulleme Ballague, Real Madrid have told him they don't want Tevez, so unless Barca do, his choices will be A) City.

[brite blu sky]

Let me get this right. CT is pissed off because we didn't buy the sort of striker who is so good that he's in front of Carlos in the pecking order, and Carlos spends more time on the bench. So, given that, he's caused all this fuss to force the club to go and buy one of the best strikers in the game - something Gary Cooke is reluctant to do apparantly.

Aw bless!!! He really has the best interests of the club at heart hasn't he?


Or maybe I've missed something??

If you relating that to what i have said then no. Others have suggested the irony of a top striker pushing him off the pecking order.
I have stated that he may want better payers to play alongside instead of Adebayor, RSC and Jo.

[brite blu sky]

Lets hope David Silva doesnt get annoyed at being the creative outlet of the side and everything positive ticking through him then.

I hope Joe Hart doesnt like having the burden of playing in goal.

Seriously if the reasons you have outlined are the reasons Tevez have given then he i'm glad he is going. Deary me. Im sure he would of loved us to have signed his old mate Shrek so we could superglue him back to the bench. Carlos loves being top dog, he wouldnt have it any other way.

I think he probs does like being top dog, so do a lot of competent players and some not so competent.
With due respect you are missing the point. If the reasons are correct then it would be more about other players taking the burden of winning games and not all about Tevez being the hero every game. The suggestion ids that he wants better players up front with him. That is not difficult to understand, and i would suggest that it makes him very commited and serious about what City are setting out to do.

Aside from that, you may well be disappointed. I can see this being resolved for the real reasons and Tevez sticking around as well. If that is the case you will have to swallow your pride and upset at him and suffer watching him bang in goals on our way to the title.

just sayin..

Well according to Gulleme Ballague, Real Madrid have told him they don't want Tevez, so unless Barca do, his choices will be A) City.

Is that so.. well i'm pretty sure Barca cannot afford him.. and tbh dont need him either.

I think the furore following the transfer request is missing the point too. i think there is a big chance it is the kind of last gasp baseball bat accross the table kind of outburst forcing the club to do something. I'm not condoning it or saying it is a good idea, just that it can be read that way and could be intended that way, if the frustration is high enough in Tevez and he sees no action.

[BlueMoonAwoken]

I think its a number of things starting with sacking mark hughes, tevez liked him and wanted stabillity and i think the club sacking hughes in the way they did pissed him off and he thought thats the reason we didnt get champions league. Then having bust ups with mancini about training etc,,,

When ballotelli came and got a starting spot and plays for himself rather than the team pissed tevez off and how mancini seemed to favour him. I think tevez is hurt by the fact mancini dont put his arm round him enough and makes him feel wanted, i think he has done this to shock the club so they tell mancini to start showing tevez a lot more respect.

Wouldn't it be easier to have said so, instead of having a go at Gary Cook?

i dont know but wasnt cook the one who didnt give hughes the respect he deserved with how he was sacked etc..?

He wouldnt as a "man" want to come out and say again that he dosent feel wanted as maybe he would feel like a big girl? I just think its about how mancini is with him and how he feels ballotelli gets special treatment when he has worked his ass off for the club since he has been here more than probably any other player ive seen at city in my time.

[Lev Bronstein]

Hang on, if it's about quality strike partners does he, or more likely KJ, have an idea who we're after in Jan? I got the impression that improving the strike force was a priority.