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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:53 pm

Mase wrote:I wish Pep wouldn’t entertain the relegation questions from the media. It just adds fuel to the fire and becomes a “possibility” in the average spastic football fans mind.

No one’s getting relegated.


On the contrary, it shuts them up.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Mase » Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:21 pm

zuricity wrote:
Mase wrote:I wish Pep wouldn’t entertain the relegation questions from the media. It just adds fuel to the fire and becomes a “possibility” in the average spastic football fans mind.

No one’s getting relegated.


On the contrary, it shuts them up.


Hasn’t shut them up, they’ve been talking about relegation for 18 months.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:46 am

Mase wrote:
zuricity wrote:
Mase wrote:I wish Pep wouldn’t entertain the relegation questions from the media. It just adds fuel to the fire and becomes a “possibility” in the average spastic football fans mind.

No one’s getting relegated.


On the contrary, it shuts them up.


Hasn’t shut them up, they’ve been talking about relegation for 18 months.


Like jethro tull mase, living in the past

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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby CTID Hants » Thu Dec 26, 2024 6:27 pm

I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Nickyboy » Fri Dec 27, 2024 12:56 pm

CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby johnny crossan » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:05 pm

Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf

here https://www.mancity.com/club/partners
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby salford city » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:06 pm

Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby CTID Hants » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:37 pm

johnny crossan wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf

here https://www.mancity.com/club/partners


That doesn't tell us the income generated in total for all these per anum which is what I am looking for along with I'm Spartacus post putting in to context how much of ETIHADs income/profit they pay us percentage wise in relation what exposure they get by having their name on the stadium and shirt.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby CTID Hants » Fri Dec 27, 2024 1:38 pm

salford city wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself


Correct SC, exactly what I am after.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby nottsblue » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:05 pm

I’m still wondering when the rags will be charged for breaking the current PSR having posted losses of

2024 £113.2M
2023 £28.7M
2022 £115.5M
2021 £92.2M
2020£23.2M

In any 3 year period they have exceeded the permitted cumulative looses of £105M
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby johnny crossan » Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:37 pm

CTID Hants wrote:
salford city wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself


Correct SC, exactly what I am after.
this could help perhaps
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby patrickblue » Fri Dec 27, 2024 9:29 pm

CTID Hants wrote:
salford city wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself


Correct SC, exactly what I am after.


This post I believe, and I quote:

"You're right - Abu Dhabi recently opened a spanking new airport and is now ready to grow in the coming years to compete with Qatar as a major hub - so then we can assume the deal under question now in this recent case was specifically structured to support that unique scenario which is primed and ready for massive growth over the next few years.

The current sponsorship is $68m a year against $6bn revenue - so roughly 1% of Etihad's global revenue. If they wanted to double that spend (for example), with a view to supporting a doubling of growth in revenue to $12bn over the next few years AND they were privy to what City were going to do with that money, eg specific marquee signings that may be directly tied to that deal that would also justify its value, then that is information no regulator can second guess the value of.

Now, when you look at whether a deal makes sense in the context of the company/time/place, contrast our Etihad sponsorship to Teamviewer, a relatively unknown brand who spent 10% of their total 580m global revenue on a single sponsorship.

Now if you came down from another planet and put those 2 deals side by side and asked which one looked suspicious on the basic economics of the deal, I don't think we need to be Einstein to see that Etihad isn't the problem here.

So in the case City have raised, their issue is that they didn't get the opportunity to see the deals the Etihad proposal was benchmarked against, and with that being hidden they have every right to suspect that apples weren't being compared with apples - it's a shocking process, and how the PL thought they could get away with it without a club like city challenging it is beyond me.

The funny thing is, the legal actions themselves are making City a massive advertising platform - giving Etihad more exposure than they could dream of - as every article mentions them and every article shows a picture of a city player with the Etihad brand splashed across it."
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby johnny crossan » Fri Dec 27, 2024 11:29 pm

patrickblue wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:
salford city wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself


Correct SC, exactly what I am after.


This post I believe, and I quote:

"You're right - Abu Dhabi recently opened a spanking new airport and is now ready to grow in the coming years to compete with Qatar as a major hub - so then we can assume the deal under question now in this recent case was specifically structured to support that unique scenario which is primed and ready for massive growth over the next few years.

The current sponsorship is $68m a year against $6bn revenue - so roughly 1% of Etihad's global revenue. If they wanted to double that spend (for example), with a view to supporting a doubling of growth in revenue to $12bn over the next few years AND they were privy to what City were going to do with that money, eg specific marquee signings that may be directly tied to that deal that would also justify its value, then that is information no regulator can second guess the value of.

Now, when you look at whether a deal makes sense in the context of the company/time/place, contrast our Etihad sponsorship to Teamviewer, a relatively unknown brand who spent 10% of their total 580m global revenue on a single sponsorship.

Now if you came down from another planet and put those 2 deals side by side and asked which one looked suspicious on the basic economics of the deal, I don't think we need to be Einstein to see that Etihad isn't the problem here.

So in the case City have raised, their issue is that they didn't get the opportunity to see the deals the Etihad proposal was benchmarked against, and with that being hidden they have every right to suspect that apples weren't being compared with apples - it's a shocking process, and how the PL thought they could get away with it without a club like city challenging it is beyond me.

The funny thing is, the legal actions themselves are making City a massive advertising platform - giving Etihad more exposure than they could dream of - as every article mentions them and every article shows a picture of a city player with the Etihad brand splashed across it."
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most interesting, thank you for digging up the post
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:05 am

salford city wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself


Team viewer is software similar to microsofts teams , was in fact available before teams but after skype.

It is developed by many indians working near Stuttgart in Goeppingen to the east. Many indians have used it to call people up in the UK , Germany , switzerland etc to con them into log into their bank accounts for verification purposes. They download a free copy of team viewer , do not realise that everything they type in can be seen and copied, and so on . Quite how the scammers get personal details of people in the UK , Us, and Europe , ask the banks who allowed their data to be sent to india for Apparently 'Cheaper' software development - never has been, never will be . Googling team viewer , scam banking.

I have used the software in legitimate business circumstances. It keeps getting dropped though in favour of teams from microsoft.

Team Viewer revenue as of 2023 is 626m Euros.

No wonder they want out of the Rags deal.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby salford city » Sat Dec 28, 2024 10:09 am

zuricity wrote:
salford city wrote:
Nickyboy wrote:
CTID Hants wrote:I need help, I think it was I'm Spartacus who shared some figures as to our sponsorship by ETIHAD and their return due to exposure through our club.

I want to shove it up the arse of some cunt down the pub getting gobby.


Also do we have an upto date list and revenues of all other "partners"/sponsors at all?


There's a list of all sponsors etc on the official site. Not that many UAE linked these days tbf


Think Hants is looking for Spartys post re the building of the airport and hub and that potential revenue stream in the same post he explained it was something like 2% of ethihad revenue on the shirt sponsorship as opposed to over 50% of team viewer who I'd never heard of in the first place. Been trying to find the post myself


Team viewer is software similar to microsofts teams , was in fact available before teams but after skype.

It is developed by many indians working near Stuttgart in Goeppingen to the east. Many indians have used it to call people up in the UK , Germany , switzerland etc to con them into log into their bank accounts for verification purposes. They download a free copy of team viewer , do not realise that everything they type in can be seen and copied, and so on . Quite how the scammers get personal details of people in the UK , Us, and Europe , ask the banks who allowed their data to be sent to india for Apparently 'Cheaper' software development - never has been, never will be . Googling team viewer , scam banking.

I have used the software in legitimate business circumstances. It keeps getting dropped though in favour of teams from microsoft.

Team Viewer revenue as of 2023 is 626m Euros.

No wonder they want out of the Rags deal.


Thanks for the background Zuri - interesting
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby CTID Hants » Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:50 pm

Thanks PB for fishing out Sparties post, exactly what I wanted.


@Zuri we too use team viewer for remotely accesing windows based Digital Signage to change content etc and also to trouble shoot, don't think this can be done with MS Teams though?
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby zuricity » Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:41 pm

CTID Hants wrote:Thanks PB for fishing out Sparties post, exactly what I wanted.


@Zuri we too use team viewer for remotely accesing windows based Digital Signage to change content etc and also to trouble shoot, don't think this can be done with MS Teams though?


Correct and as far as i know, no plan to allow the takeover of screens. Thing is teamviewer doesn't need repository, well earlier versions.
Teams requires you to be registered somewhere through Microsoft control. Lots of citrix instances use it.
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby salford city » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:03 pm

No PSR breaches announced by the PL. Funny that
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby Bluemoon4610 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:47 pm

salford city wrote:No PSR breaches announced by the PL. Funny that


You couldn't make it up! £105m maximum in a rolling 3 year period...that's the limit, isn't it?

Even the Rag loving BBC have reported "Manchester United have reported a net loss of £113.2m in the year to 30 June, their latest accounts show. It follows losses of £28.7m in 2022-23 and £115.5m in 2021-22, and their latest figures take total losses over the past five years to over £370m"
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Re: City Launch Legal Challenge Against PL Charges & Barrist

Postby salford city » Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:33 pm

Bluemoon4610 wrote:
salford city wrote:No PSR breaches announced by the PL. Funny that


You couldn't make it up! £105m maximum in a rolling 3 year period...that's the limit, isn't it?

Even the Rag loving BBC have reported "Manchester United have reported a net loss of £113.2m in the year to 30 June, their latest accounts show. It follows losses of £28.7m in 2022-23 and £115.5m in 2021-22, and their latest figures take total losses over the past five years to over £370m"
https://www.google.com/search?q=manches ... e&ie=UTF-8


Indeed, but scruffy Jim has been able to write some of this off I believe. All legit and above board- nothing to see here move along
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