Nigel DeJong - a disgrace to football.

[Ted Hughes]

no probs

Let's see..

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Wehaay!

Paul Scholes tackling ablity is poo, bloody good player though!!

Here's one where his arm accidentally twitches as he by no means recklessly charged into Makelele, coincedentally stopping a dangerous Chelsea breakaway as he pollaxes him.

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He looks a bit dazed afterwards. Probably the shock of Mackele's head hitting his arm as he uses a quite reasonable forearm smash to protect himself. At least he didn't poke him in the chest with his foot though; that would be terrible.

[Beefymcfc]

Talkshite .."De Jong as bad as Cantona..ban him for a year." WTF get a fucking life dickheads.

I actually agree, Cantona should've been banned for a year. Nigel's was well worth a yellow though ;-)

[Citeh&Crew]

Lol.. unbelievable, how people will twist the meaning of "hard play" to suit their ends, when it involves a player on their own team.

De Jong is a THUG. It isn't just the incident mentioned by the OP of this thread; De Jong has had many studs-up tackles that both have and have not been called. But in the latter case, just because the ref doesn't catch it, doesn't mean that De Jong is "in-the-right".

And personally, I don't give a damn about De Jong's "intent" when going in for these tackles. Why? Because if he can't control himself at least 95% of the time (meaning having the fine motor control to avert a leg so as not to potentially end someone's career), then he shouldn't be going in for such tackles. I think the Prem season, his wrecklessness during friendlies (e.g. idiotically breaking Holden's ankle during a friendly with the USA), and WC campaign prove that he is a one-dimensional hitman.

To put it simply, he should go play as a LB in the NFL. At least in that league, the people he tries to tackle are well padded.

And to those of you who spout such drivel about, and I paraphrase: "how it used to be in the old days", or "this is a hard sport with hard play.. get used to it you sissies". I've got something for you:

FUCK OFF

Generally, it's the moronic slobs, who likely have never played anything better than Sunday, backyard footie with unskilled family and friends, who talk such shit. I play a lot of football, with very skilled players. There have been plenty of "De Jongs" to come in over the years. They never last, because the ref either cards them enough, they get banned, or they become so hated that many start to target them (and they quit). Where I play, people know the difference between playing "hard", and "dirty". De Jong is dirty.

Edited to add: In my book, even if a player goes into tackles every single time, without any intent to injure the opposition, yet still manages to hurt other people or come very very close to doing so.. such a player is considered DIRTY. If one knows he/she doesn't have the control to make a fair tackle, while going full-speed with slides and such on 50/50 balls, then he/she should damn well not try such tackles at full-speed.

[kinkylola]

Lol.. unbelievable, how people will twist the meaning of "hard play" to suit their ends, when it involves a player on their own team.

De Jong is a THUG. It isn't just the incident mentioned by the OP of this thread; De Jong has had many studs-up tackles that both have and have not been called. But in the latter case, just because the ref doesn't catch it, doesn't mean that De Jong is "in-the-right".

And personally, I don't give a damn about De Jong's "intent" when going in for these tackles. Why? Because if he can't control himself at least 95% of the time (meaning having the fine motor control to avert a leg so as not to potentially end someone's career), then he shouldn't be going in for such tackles. I think the Prem season, his wrecklessness during friendlies (e.g. idiotically breaking Holden's ankle during a friendly with the USA), and WC campaign prove that he is a one-dimensional hitman.

To put it simply, he should go play as a LB in the NFL. At least in that league, the people he tries to tackle are well padded.

And to those of you who spout such drivel about, and I paraphrase: "how it used to be in the old days", or "this is a hard sport with hard play.. get used to it you sissies". I've got something for you:

FUCK OFF

Generally, it's the moronic slobs, who likely have never played anything better than Sunday, backyard footie with unskilled family and friends, who talk such shit. I play a lot of football, with very skilled players. There have been plenty of "De Jongs" to come in over the years. They never last, because the ref either cards them enough, they get banned, or they become so hated that many start to target them (and they quit). Where I play, people know the difference between playing "hard", and "dirty". De Jong is dirty.

Edited to add: In my book, even if a player goes into tackles every single time, without any intent to injure the opposition, yet still manages to hurt other people or come very very close to doing so.. such a player is considered DIRTY. If one knows he/she doesn't have the control to make a fair tackle, while going full-speed with slides and such on 50/50 balls, then he/she should damn well not try such tackles at full-speed.

to be fair here mate ... you sound like a huge pretentious sissy.

I can tell, you're the type of 'skilled' player who cries when he gets a little shove in the back.

I've got some words for you, fuck off, grow a pair and play like a man. You should always go in to tackles 100%, never with intent to injure, but always committed. It's the players that don't go in 100% or pull out that get injured. Also, you can wreck a player and still have committed a perfectly legal, skillful tackle.

And mate, just cuz you play your park games on a saturday, doesn't make you different than those who play sundays. you twit.

[Citeh&Crew]

Lol.. unbelievable, how people will twist the meaning of "hard play" to suit their ends, when it involves a player on their own team.

De Jong is a THUG. It isn't just the incident mentioned by the OP of this thread; De Jong has had many studs-up tackles that both have and have not been called. But in the latter case, just because the ref doesn't catch it, doesn't mean that De Jong is "in-the-right".

And personally, I don't give a damn about De Jong's "intent" when going in for these tackles. Why? Because if he can't control himself at least 95% of the time (meaning having the fine motor control to avert a leg so as not to potentially end someone's career), then he shouldn't be going in for such tackles. I think the Prem season, his wrecklessness during friendlies (e.g. idiotically breaking Holden's ankle during a friendly with the USA), and WC campaign prove that he is a one-dimensional hitman.

To put it simply, he should go play as a LB in the NFL. At least in that league, the people he tries to tackle are well padded.

And to those of you who spout such drivel about, and I paraphrase: "how it used to be in the old days", or "this is a hard sport with hard play.. get used to it you sissies". I've got something for you:

FUCK OFF

Generally, it's the moronic slobs, who likely have never played anything better than Sunday, backyard footie with unskilled family and friends, who talk such shit. I play a lot of football, with very skilled players. There have been plenty of "De Jongs" to come in over the years. They never last, because the ref either cards them enough, they get banned, or they become so hated that many start to target them (and they quit). Where I play, people know the difference between playing "hard", and "dirty". De Jong is dirty.

Edited to add: In my book, even if a player goes into tackles every single time, without any intent to injure the opposition, yet still manages to hurt other people or come very very close to doing so.. such a player is considered DIRTY. If one knows he/she doesn't have the control to make a fair tackle, while going full-speed with slides and such on 50/50 balls, then he/she should damn well not try such tackles at full-speed.

to be fair here mate ... you sound like a huge pretentious sissy.

I can tell, you're the type of 'skilled' player who cries when he gets a little shove in the back.

I've got some words for you, fuck off, grow a pair and play like a man. You should always go in to tackles 100%, never with intent to injure, but always committed. It's the players that don't go in 100% or pull out that get injured. Also, you can wreck a player and still have committed a perfectly legal, skillful tackle.

And mate, just cuz you play your park games on a saturday, doesn't make you different than those who play sundays. you twit.

Oh, this is rich. A guy named "kinkylola", calling me a sissy? Your handle is KINKY frigging LOLA? What.. do you douche on Sundays too?

Besides, in true fashion, with some of the other jackasses in this thread, you missed a critical point. You shouldn't go into tackles "100%" if you're someone who doesn't have the proper coordination/athleticism to do so, and thus runs a great risk of breaking someone's leg, even for 5% of those tackles. Get it, genius?

And yes, fair tackles can hurt and end careers, but how does that even remotely validate dirty, wreckless play, which I might add, is FAR MORE LIKELY to hurt someone? Eh? Do you actually think before writing?

As for your grand assessment of my ability? Please.. I already know how good I am (or am not). And indeed, I have play with and against some great competition. To a man, the better players do not go in studs-up even a quarter of the time (ahem.. unlike De Jong). They are also aware enough of the players around them, to know when performing a goddamn KARATE KICK to get the ball, is probably not the best idea. In fact, I think most Prem players.. even the enforcers, don't pull Cantona's to someone's chest. Then again, brilliant players such as yourself think it's "manly", and "fair hard play", don't you?

[carl_feedthegoat]

NDJ belongs in a team of cloggers....Bolton would do nicely. I saw the karate kick and IMO it was a red card, if some cunt had done that to Tevez then every City fan would be up in arms - and rightly so.

I doubt he will get many games for us this year....probably be used in the Europa cup,LC against some hacker teams from norway or division 2.

[Citeh&Crew]

Dear gods.. Carl just agreed with me. No point other than that.. but it just stunned me for a second.

(Don't worry Carl, I only expect it to happen once every six months, at most)

[DoomMerchant]

NDJ belongs in a team of cloggers....Bolton would do nicely. I saw the karate kick and IMO it was a red card, if some cunt had done that to Tevez then every City fan would be up in arms - and rightly so.

I doubt he will get many games for us this year....probably be used in the Europa cup,LC against some hacker teams from norway or division 2.

oh calm the fucl down. He does not belong in a team of cloggers. He's great at what he does. He isn't a cheating, dirty cunt. He made a piss poor play which deserved a red card. Everyone knows that.

i find the beating of him on here sad and senseless. And yes, i am clearly one of the jackasses defending him and i won't apologize for it. I like him, and support him. What he did was shitty, but karma played itself out and Holland got a man sent off after a lot of Spanish diving.

cheers

[kinkylola]

Lol.. unbelievable, how people will twist the meaning of "hard play" to suit their ends, when it involves a player on their own team.

De Jong is a THUG. It isn't just the incident mentioned by the OP of this thread; De Jong has had many studs-up tackles that both have and have not been called. But in the latter case, just because the ref doesn't catch it, doesn't mean that De Jong is "in-the-right".

And personally, I don't give a damn about De Jong's "intent" when going in for these tackles. Why? Because if he can't control himself at least 95% of the time (meaning having the fine motor control to avert a leg so as not to potentially end someone's career), then he shouldn't be going in for such tackles. I think the Prem season, his wrecklessness during friendlies (e.g. idiotically breaking Holden's ankle during a friendly with the USA), and WC campaign prove that he is a one-dimensional hitman.

To put it simply, he should go play as a LB in the NFL. At least in that league, the people he tries to tackle are well padded.

And to those of you who spout such drivel about, and I paraphrase: "how it used to be in the old days", or "this is a hard sport with hard play.. get used to it you sissies". I've got something for you:

FUCK OFF

Generally, it's the moronic slobs, who likely have never played anything better than Sunday, backyard footie with unskilled family and friends, who talk such shit. I play a lot of football, with very skilled players. There have been plenty of "De Jongs" to come in over the years. They never last, because the ref either cards them enough, they get banned, or they become so hated that many start to target them (and they quit). Where I play, people know the difference between playing "hard", and "dirty". De Jong is dirty.

Edited to add: In my book, even if a player goes into tackles every single time, without any intent to injure the opposition, yet still manages to hurt other people or come very very close to doing so.. such a player is considered DIRTY. If one knows he/she doesn't have the control to make a fair tackle, while going full-speed with slides and such on 50/50 balls, then he/she should damn well not try such tackles at full-speed.

to be fair here mate ... you sound like a huge pretentious sissy.

I can tell, you're the type of 'skilled' player who cries when he gets a little shove in the back.

I've got some words for you, fuck off, grow a pair and play like a man. You should always go in to tackles 100%, never with intent to injure, but always committed. It's the players that don't go in 100% or pull out that get injured. Also, you can wreck a player and still have committed a perfectly legal, skillful tackle.

And mate, just cuz you play your park games on a saturday, doesn't make you different than those who play sundays. you twit.

Oh, this is rich. A guy named "kinkylola", calling me a sissy? Your handle is KINKY frigging LOLA? What.. do you douche on Sundays too?

Besides, in true fashion, with some of the other jackasses in this thread, you missed a critical point. You shouldn't go into tackles "100%" if you're someone who doesn't have the proper coordination/athleticism to do so, and thus runs a great risk of breaking someone's leg, even for 5% of those tackles. Get it, genius?

And yes, fair tackles can hurt and end careers, but how does that even remotely validate dirty, wreckless play, which I might add, is FAR MORE LIKELY to hurt someone? Eh? Do you actually think before writing?

As for your grand assessment of my ability? Please.. I already know how good I am (or am not). And indeed, I have play with and against some great competition. To a man, the better players do not go in studs-up even a quarter of the time (ahem.. unlike De Jong). They are also aware enough of the players around them, to know when performing a goddamn KARATE KICK to get the ball, is probably not the best idea. In fact, I think most Prem players.. even the enforcers, don't pull Cantona's to someone's chest. Then again, brilliant players such as yourself think it's "manly", and "fair hard play", don't you?

yes, a guy named kinkylola calling you a sissy ... the truth hurts I guess ... should I watch out for your crew? I'm shaking in my boots.

I never said anything about going studs up or karate kicking someone being fair hard play, but that pretty much sums up the ridiculousness of your side of the argument. No one anywhere has claimed that the karate kick was fair play. Saying De Jong is a disgrace is just silly though.

De Jong made a mistake, simple as that. He got carded, foul given, alonso not hurt.

"Yes, I was concerned it might be worse than a yellow," he said. "It looked worse, although to be honest I didn't see the opponent coming in from the side.

"I was really focused on the ball and I caught him on his chest."

....

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/ ... ver=global

I'm sure your crew are all masterful players, seems like I wouldn't even know i'd been in a match after playing with them ... that's wonderful. I could probably even skip my sunday douche ...

[carl_feedthegoat]

NDJ belongs in a team of cloggers....Bolton would do nicely. I saw the karate kick and IMO it was a red card, if some cunt had done that to Tevez then every City fan would be up in arms - and rightly so.

I doubt he will get many games for us this year....probably be used in the Europa cup,LC against some hacker teams from norway or division 2.

oh calm the fucl down. He does not belong in a team of cloggers. He's great at what he does. He isn't a cheating, dirty cunt. He made a piss poor play which deserved a red card. Everyone knows that.

i find the beating of him on here sad and senseless. And yes, i am clearly one of the jackasses defending him and i won't apologize for it. I like him, and support him. What he did was shitty, but karma played itself out and Holland got a man sent off after a lot of Spanish diving.

cheers

Where did I call him a dirty cheating cunt fuck face?...that's right I did'nt.He wont play much for man city this season.....put money on it.
The clogger bit still stands.

[ant london]

you might be right about the degree to which he will be a starter this season Carl but i have to say that I thought he used the ball really nicely on the whole in South Africa....certainly distributing better (and more creatively) than I saw him do normally for City

He's not simply a clogger....although he does do that part especially well

[DoomMerchant]

NDJ belongs in a team of cloggers....Bolton would do nicely. I saw the karate kick and IMO it was a red card, if some cunt had done that to Tevez then every City fan would be up in arms - and rightly so.

I doubt he will get many games for us this year....probably be used in the Europa cup,LC against some hacker teams from norway or division 2.

oh calm the fucl down. He does not belong in a team of cloggers. He's great at what he does. He isn't a cheating, dirty cunt. He made a piss poor play which deserved a red card. Everyone knows that.

i find the beating of him on here sad and senseless. And yes, i am clearly one of the jackasses defending him and i won't apologize for it. I like him, and support him. What he did was shitty, but karma played itself out and Holland got a man sent off after a lot of Spanish diving.

cheers

Where did I call him a dirty cheating cunt fuck face?...that's right I did'nt.He wont play much for man city this season.....put money on it.
The clogger bit still stands.

He isn't a clogger. And my apologies for inferring that you called him a dirty cheating cunt. I just lumped you in with the slew of spastics on here who are blasting him on this page of the thread. I will be more thoughtful next time.

I wouldn't be surprised to see De Jong partner Yaya a lot in midfield this season. Let's find out.

cheers

[Esky]

De Jong had a much better season for us than Barry did. His passing was also much more constructive and offensive throughout the WC than many give him credit for (i.e. for Netherlands' opening goal of the tournament, his interplay with Sneijder in the semi final, etc, etc).

He's one of the better defensive midfielders in the league and, until the final, was certainly among the best in the World Cup. He'd walk into most teams in England and deserves to partner Yaya in the centre of the park.

[DoomMerchant]

De Jong had a much better season for us than Barry did. His passing was also much more constructive and offensive throughout the WC than many give him credit for (i.e. for Netherlands' opening goal of the tournament, his interplay with Sneijder in the semi final, etc, etc).

He's one of the better defensive midfielders in the league and, until the final, was certainly among the best in the World Cup. He'd walk into most teams in England and deserves to partner Yaya in the centre of the park.

What's Fonzie say? Correctomundo.

Also, speaking of Fonzie and what Fonzie says, etc...this made me laff.

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[Sister of fu]

De Jong had a much better season for us than Barry did. His passing was also much more constructive and offensive throughout the WC than many give him credit for (i.e. for Netherlands' opening goal of the tournament, his interplay with Sneijder in the semi final, etc, etc).

He's one of the better defensive midfielders in the league and, until the final, was certainly among the best in the World Cup. He'd walk into most teams in England and deserves to partner Yaya in the centre of the park.

If NDJ does not make that tackle people on here would say what a good solid WC he had. I actually can't agree when people say he is limited. He is a DM who does that job, it's not a pretty or nice and he won't get the plaudits like your Tevez's and Ade's but he is asked to that job and does it.

I never go to COMS expecting Hollywood type passing from him I expect him to break up the play and give the ball to the likes of Barry who have better passing abilitys.

If he can produce more of the displays like against Chelsea which was a master class in DM work then I can't see too many on here moaning about him like they do.

[ant london]

I think the Prem season, his wrecklessness during friendlies (e.g. idiotically breaking Holden's ankle during a friendly with the USA), and WC campaign prove that he is a one-dimensional hitman.

To put it simply, he should go play as a LB in the NFL. At least in that league, the people he tries to tackle are well padded.

And to those of you who spout such drivel about, and I paraphrase: "how it used to be in the old days", or "this is a hard sport with hard play.. get used to it you sissies". I've got something for you:

FUCK OFF

Generally, it's the moronic slobs, who likely have never played anything better than Sunday, backyard footie with unskilled family and friends, who talk such shit.

Couple of questions for you?

How old are you and how long have you been following football (especially English football)?

Do you not realise that football is actually a contact sport? Silky skills we all appreciate but tackling is a part of the game, not just a "tolerated" part of the game but an integral one.

You talk of playing NFL, have you ever played a properly physical (and unpadded) game like rugby? If you have then you'll know full well that full blooded challenges where both players are committed are very very rarely the ones where anyone gets a serious injury. Same applies in the PL. It is usually a fairly innocuous turn or tackle that causes a serious injury.

Nigel's challenge was clumsy and mistimed but was there any remote danger of it ending Alonso's career? (...or killing him?)....No, there was not.

The challenge on Holden (which as an American appears to be the one that has you all up in arms re de Jong) was not a good tackle but I have watched De Jong for almost two seasons now and I can't recall him committing too many heinous fouls where the intent seemed to hurt an opponent. He goes in hard, sometimes very hard but he is not a cynical nasty player (like Van Bommel....or even Van Persie for that matter).

[kinkylola]

De Jong had a much better season for us than Barry did. His passing was also much more constructive and offensive throughout the WC than many give him credit for (i.e. for Netherlands' opening goal of the tournament, his interplay with Sneijder in the semi final, etc, etc).

He's one of the better defensive midfielders in the league and, until the final, was certainly among the best in the World Cup. He'd walk into most teams in England and deserves to partner Yaya in the centre of the park.

If NDJ does not make that tackle people on here would say what a good solid WC he had. I actually can't agree when people say he is limited. He is a DM who does that job, it's not a pretty or nice and he won't get the plaudits like your Tevez's and Ade's but he is asked to that job and does it.

I never go to COMS expecting Hollywood type passing from him I expect him to break up the play and give the ball to the likes of Barry who have better passing abilitys.

If he can produce more of the displays like against Chelsea which was a master class in DM work then I can't see too many on here moaning about him like they do.

Unfortunately sister, there will be many on here who complain no matter what he does ... because he's a disgrace isn't he? He puts in hard tackles and he got one badly wrong = his whole career has been, and always will be, a disgrace. Really ... the game should only be played with 11 attacking players, mostly made up of armchair maestros like citeh&crew and his mates. Breaking up play?? no no no ... we're supposed to let the to let the other team play however they want, and only after that can we try to play our own game. but only if it's beautiful and only involves silky passing moves.

can i just make it clear that I think that if you are playing within the rules of the game, and someone gets hurt ... that it is just their misfortune. Am I the only one who feels that way? Crunching tackles meant to injure are malicious and have no place in the game. I hope we can bring this topic to rest now because de jong's tackle was not malicious, pre-meditated, or meant to injure. If he had meant to injure alonso there are a lot more effective ways, and a lot of things he could have done differently to accomplish it. He did the job he was sent to do, and that was play hard. He made a mistake, it was unfortunate and spectacularly bad. But anyone who says he is a disgrace because of that tackle is a just a tosspot plain and simple.

[kinkylola]

Couple of questions for you?

How old are you and how long have you been following football (especially English football)?

Do you not realise that football is actually a contact sport? Silky skills we all appreciate but tackling is a part of the game, not just a "tolerated" part of the game but an integral one.

You talk of playing NFL, have you ever played a properly physical (and unpadded) game like rugby? If you have then you'll know full well that full blooded challenges where both players are committed are very very rarely the ones where anyone gets a serious injury. Same applies in the PL. It is usually a fairly innocuous turn or tackle that causes a serious injury.

Nigel's challenge was clumsy and mistimed but was there any remote danger of it ending Alonso's career? (...or killing him?)....No, there was not.

The challenge on Holden (which as an American appears to be the one that has you all up in arms re de Jong) was not a good tackle but I have watched De Jong for almost two seasons now and I can't recall him committing too many heinous fouls where the intent seemed to hurt an opponent. He goes in hard, sometimes very hard but he is not a cynical nasty player (like Van Bommel....or even Van Persie for that matter).

as an american, i think that holden was extremely unlucky, and De Jong, while committing a foul and being a little clumsy with his timing and placement, was not intending bodily harm at all. He was giving 100% and I applaud that in general. Of course I don't like it when a player ends up hurt, but these are professionals, not children ... They are aware of the risks of playing a professional contact sport, much more so than citeh&crew, obviously.

[Beefymcfc]

I can't believe some of the soft-arse sissy comments on this thread, where've all the real men gone................and SoF of course?

The Kung Fu kick did not look good but in reality his foot was up there going for the ball. When he realised he wasn't getting it, for me he seemed more to pull his leg back than force it through. I've done this before with no intent meant at all, and I seem to remember even pushing my leg through his chest a little in a natural reaction to push him away and possibly not injure myself.

Tackles are good, mistakes sometimes happen, Sissy's get over yourself.

That is all.

[kinkylola]

you're not a real man unless you pass the ball around with citeh&crew beefy ... give it up