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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri May 06, 2011 7:09 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:I don't agree with you here, NQDP.

After a shaky start, Evra has given a lot going in both directions for the nuems. When fit, Richards has done a good job of it this season for us.

I think if your players are good enough it isn't a problem.

I also disagree about Ashley Cole. He's immense as an attacking force for Chelsea, and the extra width he gives them often enables them to play 3 CMs and boss the middle of the park.

I would agree that the fundamentals for a defender have to be a their ability to defend, but most top sides have full-backs (Alves, Evra, Ramos, LAHM!) that can give you another option going forward, which makes a side more dynamic/less predictable.

Finally, with Barry and De Jong sitting quite deep and covering a flank each defensively, it does give our full-backs license to bomb on - and they do. Look at Zabba's goal last weekend, Micah at Stoke...


Of those four only Evra is genuinely good defender. Alves is alright. Both Lahm and especially Ramos offer nothing as far as defending goes.

Last bit is exactly my point. If we had defensive fullbacks (Zabba is one actually.... only he CAN go forward) and positive central midfielders they would add 5-10 goals and 5-15 assists each. Instead we got attacking fullbacks who add maybe three goals and two assists PUT TOGETHER. Not good enough.


I agree with you in that I prefer fullbacks who can defend 1st, attack 2nd but then imo you need players who are either wingers or can go wide & provide quality in front of them. On the whole, we have neither good attacking fullbacks or quality wide players. Zabba & Micah are getting better at both ends of the pitch but aren't often producing real quality in the final 3rd, Kolarov is a waste of fucking space at both ends & in the middle & a great big fucking fairy to boot.

In the end though, it doesn't matter what we think; Bob's plan A was for the width to come from attacking fullbacks. He's changed that a little bit recently & had more width from elsewhere, even 4-4-2 on occasions but he still seems to favour getting the fullbacks forward whenever possible. If he decides to give that a go again next season, then, whether we like it or not, to make Bob's plan work, it will be in the best interests of the team to sign a better attacking left back than Kolarov unless he improves 200%.

Hopefully Bob will use wingers & attacking midfielders instead.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby CityGer » Fri May 06, 2011 7:13 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:I don't agree with you here, NQDP.

After a shaky start, Evra has given a lot going in both directions for the nuems. When fit, Richards has done a good job of it this season for us.

I think if your players are good enough it isn't a problem.

I also disagree about Ashley Cole. He's immense as an attacking force for Chelsea, and the extra width he gives them often enables them to play 3 CMs and boss the middle of the park.

I would agree that the fundamentals for a defender have to be a their ability to defend, but most top sides have full-backs (Alves, Evra, Ramos, LAHM!) that can give you another option going forward, which makes a side more dynamic/less predictable.

Finally, with Barry and De Jong sitting quite deep and covering a flank each defensively, it does give our full-backs license to bomb on - and they do. Look at Zabba's goal last weekend, Micah at Stoke...


Of those four only Evra is genuinely good defender. Alves is alright. Both Lahm and especially Ramos offer nothing as far as defending goes.

Last bit is exactly my point. If we had defensive fullbacks (Zabba is one actually.... only he CAN go forward) and positive central midfielders they would add 5-10 goals and 5-15 assists each. Instead we got attacking fullbacks who add maybe three goals and two assists PUT TOGETHER. Not good enough.



You spout this line every few weeks about attacking full backs and how you like "a defender to defend", has it not occurred to you that of the players you just quoted Alves and Evra are in the champions league final and are part of two of the most successful teams on the planet and that the best attacking full back (missed from this list) currently holds a scudetto and a champs league winners medal.

Who's right, NQDP?? You or Baconface, Mourinho and Guardiola??
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri May 06, 2011 7:16 pm

CityGer wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:I don't agree with you here, NQDP.

After a shaky start, Evra has given a lot going in both directions for the nuems. When fit, Richards has done a good job of it this season for us.

I think if your players are good enough it isn't a problem.

I also disagree about Ashley Cole. He's immense as an attacking force for Chelsea, and the extra width he gives them often enables them to play 3 CMs and boss the middle of the park.

I would agree that the fundamentals for a defender have to be a their ability to defend, but most top sides have full-backs (Alves, Evra, Ramos, LAHM!) that can give you another option going forward, which makes a side more dynamic/less predictable.

Finally, with Barry and De Jong sitting quite deep and covering a flank each defensively, it does give our full-backs license to bomb on - and they do. Look at Zabba's goal last weekend, Micah at Stoke...


Of those four only Evra is genuinely good defender. Alves is alright. Both Lahm and especially Ramos offer nothing as far as defending goes.

Last bit is exactly my point. If we had defensive fullbacks (Zabba is one actually.... only he CAN go forward) and positive central midfielders they would add 5-10 goals and 5-15 assists each. Instead we got attacking fullbacks who add maybe three goals and two assists PUT TOGETHER. Not good enough.



You spout this line every few weeks about attacking full backs and how you like "a defender to defend", has it not occurred to you that of the players you just quoted Alves and Evra are in the champions league final and are part of two of the most successful teams on the planet and that the best attacking full back (missed from this list) currently holds a scudetto and a champs league winners medal.

Who's right, NQDP?? You or Baconface, Mourinho and Guardiola??


Did you even fucking read what I said about Evra and Alves?
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby CityGer » Fri May 06, 2011 7:21 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
CityGer wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:I don't agree with you here, NQDP.

After a shaky start, Evra has given a lot going in both directions for the nuems. When fit, Richards has done a good job of it this season for us.

I think if your players are good enough it isn't a problem.

I also disagree about Ashley Cole. He's immense as an attacking force for Chelsea, and the extra width he gives them often enables them to play 3 CMs and boss the middle of the park.

I would agree that the fundamentals for a defender have to be a their ability to defend, but most top sides have full-backs (Alves, Evra, Ramos, LAHM!) that can give you another option going forward, which makes a side more dynamic/less predictable.

Finally, with Barry and De Jong sitting quite deep and covering a flank each defensively, it does give our full-backs license to bomb on - and they do. Look at Zabba's goal last weekend, Micah at Stoke...


Of those four only Evra is genuinely good defender. Alves is alright. Both Lahm and especially Ramos offer nothing as far as defending goes.

Last bit is exactly my point. If we had defensive fullbacks (Zabba is one actually.... only he CAN go forward) and positive central midfielders they would add 5-10 goals and 5-15 assists each. Instead we got attacking fullbacks who add maybe three goals and two assists PUT TOGETHER. Not good enough.



You spout this line every few weeks about attacking full backs and how you like "a defender to defend", has it not occurred to you that of the players you just quoted Alves and Evra are in the champions league final and are part of two of the most successful teams on the planet and that the best attacking full back (missed from this list) currently holds a scudetto and a champs league winners medal.

Who's right, NQDP?? You or Baconface, Mourinho and Guardiola??


Did you even fucking read what I said about Evra and Alves?


Using fullbacks as some sort of attacking weapon is pointless especially if you are sacrificing someone in midfield covering for fullback. Even the world's best attacking fullbacks like Ashley Cole don't offer that much really.


What a pile of shite that is.

Did you even fucking read my point about you constantly banging on about attacking fullbacks being shit when the best managers in the game disagree with you?

As I say, Mourinho, Baconface and Guardiola say you're talking shit.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri May 06, 2011 7:53 pm

i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri May 06, 2011 8:15 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

cheers

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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Alioune DVToure » Fri May 06, 2011 8:20 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

cheers

You're having a Lahm aren't you.


On the contrary, I'd say he's on the mutton with that assessment.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri May 06, 2011 9:43 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

cheers

You're having a Lahm aren't you.


On the contrary, I'd say he's on the mutton with that assessment.



Not this again!

FFS!

Surely we've gone through every pun we can possibly ewes?
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby bluej » Fri May 06, 2011 11:28 pm

1950 wrote:Eh? They doubled up on him (a left back!) on the half way line in the dying minutes. He was a constant threat & it was all gung-ho after the goal anyway.


Was he 'eck, yes he pushed on after the goal but didn't offer that much IMO. In the first half they got past him time and time again, he was constantly in a bad position. Like I said, I haven't seen enough of him to form a decent opinion, but based on last night's showing he offered no more than Kolarov does.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat May 07, 2011 7:14 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

cheers

You're having a Lahm aren't you.


On the contrary, I'd say he's on the mutton with that assessment.



Not this again!

FFS!

Surely we've gone through every pun we can possibly ewes?


c'mon ted, don't be miserable - he's just ovine a flocking laugh.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sat May 07, 2011 9:51 am

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

cheers

You're having a Lahm aren't you.


On the contrary, I'd say he's on the mutton with that assessment.



Not this again!

FFS!

Surely we've gone through every pun we can possibly ewes?


c'mon ted, don't be miserable - he's just ovine a flocking laugh.


Tell me about it. I'm just trying to braise spirits round here a bit, and what shanks do I get? Nothing but sheep digs.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sat May 07, 2011 9:51 am

Arjan Van Schotte wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i, for one, want to go on record saying that i think Lahm is pretty fucking good.

cheers

You're having a Lahm aren't you.


On the contrary, I'd say he's on the mutton with that assessment.



Not this again!

FFS!

Surely we've gone through every pun we can possibly ewes?


c'mon ted, don't be miserable - he's just ovine a flocking laugh.


Tell me about it. I'm just trying to braise spirits round here a bit, and what shanks do I get? Nothing but sheep digs.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby saulman » Sat May 07, 2011 10:04 am

colonel_muck wrote:drogba. all day long.


Agree with this.

Also, Dzeko and Mario will come good next season. Both are top quality strikers and both would be the top of our list if we hadn't already bought them.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Beefymcfc » Sat May 07, 2011 10:19 am

Looking at it, we've got 3 big money names on the books of which 2 are dead certs to be here next season. Seeing that we only usually play one up front, or a 4-3-3, then surely we wouldn't need another top class striker unless a Real superstar came available?

I'd say we'd be in for a young, up and coming type of player or we bring someone through from the ranks and give them their shot.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat May 07, 2011 10:55 am

Alioune DVToure wrote:
Tell me about it. I'm just trying to braise spirits round here a bit, and what shanks do I get? Nothing but sheep digs.



Well I find the whole thing lahmentable & I think this topic should be flocked.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat May 07, 2011 10:58 am

Beefymcfc wrote:Looking at it, we've got 3 big money names on the books of which 2 are dead certs to be here next season. Seeing that we only usually play one up front, or a 4-3-3, then surely we wouldn't need another top class striker unless a Real superstar came available?

I'd say we'd be in for a young, up and coming type of player or we bring someone through from the ranks and give them their shot.


Andy Welsh/Walsh was likening Harry Bun to a young Shearer.
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Atri Borkotoky » Sat May 07, 2011 11:45 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:.... so, who should we go for? We need absolute surefire goalscorer. Not many of those around. Any ideas?

actually we still have enough firepower in Balotelli and Dzeko...and adebayour will also be back
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Atri Borkotoky » Sat May 07, 2011 11:47 am

Atri Borkotoky wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:.... so, who should we go for? We need absolute surefire goalscorer. Not many of those around. Any ideas?

actually we still have enough firepower in Balotelli and Dzeko...and adebayour will also be back
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Sat May 07, 2011 11:49 am

Beefymcfc wrote:I'd say we'd be in for a young, up and coming type of player or we bring someone through from the ranks and give them their shot.

Someone like Daniel Sturridge?
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Re: If/When Tevez Leaves..

Postby Atri Borkotoky » Sat May 07, 2011 11:56 am

Atri Borkotoky wrote:
Atri Borkotoky wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:.... so, who should we go for? We need absolute surefire goalscorer. Not many of those around. Any ideas?

actually we still have enough firepower in Balotelli and Dzeko...and adebayour will also be back

talking about surefire goalscorers balotelli is the super mario and Dzeko is the goal machine.....but aguero or Higuain Or may be Benzema or may be Cavani but what may be the ideal replacement is Eto'o.oh yeah man that guy has what it takes to be real threat to the opposition goal
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