Mancini

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Do you think managers rotate players just for the sake of it?

Clichy and Kolorov are rotated just for the sake of it i think

Ok, I give you that mate. I haven't quite figured out what's going on there. Probably Mancini thinking that he'd give equal chance for the two to claim the starting spot.

Otherwise point stands though. If anything, I feel Mancini should have given more rest to likes of Silva who has been running on fumes for months now.

[Ted Hughes]

Do you think managers rotate players just for the sake of it?

Clichy and Kolorov are rotated just for the sake of it i think

Ok, I give you that mate. I haven't quite figured out what's going on there. Probably Mancini thinking that he'd give equal chance for the two to claim the starting spot.

Otherwise point stands though. If anything, I feel Mancini should have given more rest to likes of Silva who has been running on fumes for months now.

This is his biggest mistake. Especially in recent times when he's been getting worse & worse. I can understand him being reluctant to rest Silva earlier but as time has gone on, it's become pretty obvious that he's not going to suddenly spring back into form & obvious that the team plays much better without him. Who knows what difference a few weeks off may have made ?

Edit: Sorry, 2nd biggest mistake, Savic was the real whopper.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Do you think managers rotate players just for the sake of it?

Clichy and Kolorov are rotated just for the sake of it i think

Ok, I give you that mate. I haven't quite figured out what's going on there. Probably Mancini thinking that he'd give equal chance for the two to claim the starting spot.

Otherwise point stands though. If anything, I feel Mancini should have given more rest to likes of Silva who has been running on fumes for months now.

This is his biggest mistake. Especially in recent times when he's been getting worse & worse. I can understand him being reluctant to rest Silva earlier but as time has gone on, it's become pretty obvious that he's not going to suddenly spring back into form & obvious that the team plays much better without him. Who knows what difference a few weeks off may have made ?

Edit: Sorry, 2nd biggest mistake, Savic was the real whopper.

Absolutely no excuse for that. None whatsoever. Everyone could've seen that he just can't do it. I'd be pretty pissed off if he isn't shipped off in summer.

[Ted Hughes]

We have to get some quality cover there for next season. If Lescott & Vinny had picked up injuries earlier in the season, Bob would be out of a job.

[Lev Bronstein]

Bobby has about a year left on his contract. At this stage you would expect some sort of subterranean discussions going on. If he is to be sacked, we'll find out soon.

For what it's worth, IMHO the only replacement on the radar is Mourinho (although Hiddink gets the odd mention). Sounds easy; dump Bobby get Jose in. The trouble is, that I think that Jose has is eyes on taking over from SAF at the swamp. and if he came to us moving to the rags would be nigh on impossible - although I wouldn't rule that egocentric twat our from doing anything.

So, unless the owners have a plan that's way out of sight, or we really do implode and finish fifth (is that possible?) Bobby is pretty much nailed on to get a new contract.

[Ted Hughes]

Bobby has about a year left on his contract. At this stage you would expect some sort of subterranean discussions going on. If he is to be sacked, we'll find out soon.

For what it's worth, IMHO the only replacement on the radar is Mourinho (although Hiddink gets the odd mention). Sounds easy; dump Bobby get Jose in. The trouble is, that I think that Jose has is eyes on taking over from SAF at the swamp. and if he came to us moving to the rags would be nigh on impossible - although I wouldn't rule that egocentric twat our from doing anything.

So, unless the owners have a plan that's way out of sight, or we really do implode and finish fifth (is that possible?) Bobby is pretty much nailed on to get a new contract.

This is how I see it.

A really bad end to the season would have them questioning (rightly imo) Bob's suitability to remain for next season, but barring that are people who say 'get rid of Mancini' actually considering what the alternative would be ?

It was a different situation with Hughes, when there were a whole host of managers around the world who've won stuff etc & who would be an upgrade in the event of him failing, but we've done that now & brought in a manager from the higher bracket; so who would be an upgrade on Mancini ?

Do we just dump him for the sake of it & bring in one of the same old faces who get pushed around from one club to another ? Do we bring in a young buck, full of ideas, so he can get chewed alive by the wiley old heads in the Prem ?

Surely there are two options; Mourinho & Guardiola & that's it ?

Who says either of them want to come at this stage ?

Anything less & we're just turning into Chelsea.

I expect to see contract talks for Mancini in the near future.

[dick dastardley]

PLAY YOUR STRONGEST TEAM NO MATTER WHAT, NEVER REST YOUR BEST PLAYERS, AND I WOULD REST DZEKO.SAVIC,KOLOROV PERMANENTLY!!

[mr_nool]

PLAY YOUR STRONGEST TEAM NO MATTER WHAT, NEVER REST YOUR BEST PLAYERS, AND I WOULD REST DZEKO.SAVIC,KOLOROV PERMANENTLY!!

I think we would have benefited from playing Silva more sparsely during the course of the season.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bobby has about a year left on his contract. At this stage you would expect some sort of subterranean discussions going on. If he is to be sacked, we'll find out soon.

For what it's worth, IMHO the only replacement on the radar is Mourinho (although Hiddink gets the odd mention). Sounds easy; dump Bobby get Jose in. The trouble is, that I think that Jose has is eyes on taking over from SAF at the swamp. and if he came to us moving to the rags would be nigh on impossible - although I wouldn't rule that egocentric twat our from doing anything.

So, unless the owners have a plan that's way out of sight, or we really do implode and finish fifth (is that possible?) Bobby is pretty much nailed on to get a new contract.

This is how I see it.

A really bad end to the season would have them questioning (rightly imo) Bob's suitability to remain for next season, but barring that are people who say 'get rid of Mancini' actually considering what the alternative would be ?

It was a different situation with Hughes, when there were a whole host of managers around the world who've won stuff etc & who would be an upgrade in the event of him failing, but we've done that now & brought in a manager from the higher bracket; so who would be an upgrade on Mancini ?

Do we just dump him for the sake of it & bring in one of the same old faces who get pushed around from one club to another ? Do we bring in a young buck, full of ideas, so he can get chewed alive by the wiley old heads in the Prem ?

Surely there are two options; Mourinho & Guardiola & that's it ?

Who says either of them want to come at this stage ?

Anything less & we're just turning into Chelsea.

I expect to see contract talks for Mancini in the near future.

That's it. That's the thing here. It's easy to say "I want better manager and better results". I want better results than we've had recently as well. But people who are starting to question Mancini as manager need to come up with convincing options. Outside of Mourinho and Guardiola I can't think anyone better right now. And even they come with huge question marks. Mourinho is arguably proven winner but also always leaves a complete mess behind him. I thought we were aiming for "global domination" not one or two trophys. Guardiola is also a complete wild card in that he doesn't know the language and has only ever worked in one kind of environment. Environment where he is surrounded by long long history of winning and, yes, global domination. He has never built it himself.

And why would either of them come in the first place?

As far as young managers go, I don't see too many prospects around and would they be able to change the fortunes instantly? Most likely not. Outcome would be the exact same as in Chelsea with Villas-Boas. He isn't bad manager despite what flavour of the month journos say. He would've just needed few years to get used to surroundings and get his own system going. If people don't have time for couple of bad results under Mancini, how are they going to tolerate such learning curve?

These are the reasons why even talking about sacking Mancini before end of 12/13 season is stupid imo.

[Grob]

PLAY YOUR STRONGEST TEAM NO MATTER WHAT, NEVER REST YOUR BEST PLAYERS, AND I WOULD REST DZEKO.SAVIC,KOLOROV PERMANENTLY!!

We played our best players no matter what for the first half of the season and look where we are now and look how Silva inparticular is playing now

[Wooders]

I think we would only sack mancini if we knew that Mourinho would come

[carl_feedthegoat]

I think we would only sack mancini if we knew that Mourinho would come

Correct.

[Goaters 103]

If Mourinho is an alternative then I'd make that move in a heartbeat, otherwise I'd give Mancini 1 more season and expect to see silverware, or he'd be seeing the door.

Granted we dont have a divine right to win trophies, but with the squad we have and the resources we have coming up empty handed is not really an alternative either.

[Chinners]

I can't believe we would even be consider sacking Mancini ... this money bollox is beginning to grate on me now, some of our fans are changing and not for the better imho. As for Maureen, sure he might win the title in his first season with us but I'd be gobsmacked in he stayed beyond 2 years, so another change. We used to do this all the time (sometimes correctly) but you only have to look at what having a long term manager can do across the road ... impacient bastids

[bigblue]

PLAY YOUR STRONGEST TEAM NO MATTER WHAT, NEVER REST YOUR BEST PLAYERS, AND I WOULD REST DZEKO.SAVIC,KOLOROV PERMANENTLY!!

"Strongest" is not only based on pure ability, but physical preparedness for the game. Hence rotating players based on whose muscles are the freshest for the match.

Thank god you're not a PL manager, since you sound an awful lot like "king" kenny. Throwing around these old sayings that divide the world into black and white, while ignoring all the shades of grey in between

[carl_feedthegoat]

I can't believe we would even be consider sacking Mancini ... this money bollox is beginning to grate on me now, some of our fans are changing and not for the better imho. As for Maureen, sure he might win the title in his first season with us but I'd be gobsmacked in he stayed beyond 2 years, so another change. We used to do this all the time (sometimes correctly) but you only have to look at what having a long term manager can do across the road ... impacient bastids

Sorry to burst your bubble you fuckign loon but 99% of successful teams do not have a long term manager...........they have lots of money.

seriously..its not a myth.

[FA cup winners 2006]

I can't believe we would even be consider sacking Mancini ... this money bollox is beginning to grate on me now, some of our fans are changing and not for the better imho. As for Maureen, sure he might win the title in his first season with us but I'd be gobsmacked in he stayed beyond 2 years, so another change. We used to do this all the time (sometimes correctly) but you only have to look at what having a long term manager can do across the road ... impacient bastids

depends if its the right manager. mancini is not that man and even if he was, he is not gonna stay here for 20 years. he has already said on a number of occasions he will go back to italy.

jose has said that the pl is where he wants to be long term

[bigblue]

By the way, for everyone saying how shit we've been since December - if the league had started in 2012, we'd only be 2 points behind the rags. Not as bad as the all out implosion that some people are suggesting:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... e-campaign

Top six

1 Man Utd 28pts

2 Man City 26pts

3 Newcastle 23pts

4 Sunderland 23pts

5 Arsenal 22pts

6 Everton 22pts

Bottom six

15 Wigan 13pts

16 Stoke 12pts

17 QPR 11pts

18 Aston Villa 10pts

19 Liverpool 8pts

20 Wolves 5pts

[carl_feedthegoat]

By the way, for everyone saying how shit we've been since December - if the league had started in 2012, we'd only be 2 points behind the rags. Not as bad as the all out implosion that some people are suggesting:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... e-campaign

Top six

1 Man Utd 28pts

2 Man City 26pts

3 Newcastle 23pts

4 Sunderland 23pts

5 Arsenal 22pts

6 Everton 22pts

Bottom six

15 Wigan 13pts

16 Stoke 12pts

17 QPR 11pts

18 Aston Villa 10pts

19 Liverpool 8pts

20 Wolves 5pts

We were 5 points ahead...now we are potentially 5 points behind after they batter Blackburn tonight.

That smells like shit to me.

[Tokyo Blue]

By the way, for everyone saying how shit we've been since December - if the league had started in 2012, we'd only be 2 points behind the rags. Not as bad as the all out implosion that some people are suggesting:

'kinell, bigblue, you can't go bringing facts into it.