mr_nool wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:One question, to try to get away from the "who signed the what and who wanted the he and the him":
For whatever reason, the players we got the summer were not the players we initially wanted but they are the players we got. Given the outcome of the transfer window, has a, the team and then b, Mancini, performed as expected, below expectations or above expectations. And no, this has nothing to do with what you had expected at the beginning of the season. What could we expect from the team, given the outcome of the summer transfer window and then the winter transfer window.
For me, the answers on both are as expected. With no new real competition for places there was bound to be complacency in the team. I think it was Neville (sorry) who said that from now on, there were going to be a couple of players who were full so to speak, who'd lost their spark, regardless if they know it or not. Also, Mancini has performed on an expected level, not really rising to the challenge but not doing worse (so far) than could be expected.
What do you think?
I kind of agree with this. My expectations before the season were that we were gonna struggle to repeat last year's success. Result- and point wise we're there and about - perhaps a little bit lower than I'd thought. A big reason our season looks "poor" is that Scum are having a freakishly good season with a very average team.
Ted Hughes wrote:mr_nool wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:One question, to try to get away from the "who signed the what and who wanted the he and the him":
For whatever reason, the players we got the summer were not the players we initially wanted but they are the players we got. Given the outcome of the transfer window, has a, the team and then b, Mancini, performed as expected, below expectations or above expectations. And no, this has nothing to do with what you had expected at the beginning of the season. What could we expect from the team, given the outcome of the summer transfer window and then the winter transfer window.
For me, the answers on both are as expected. With no new real competition for places there was bound to be complacency in the team. I think it was Neville (sorry) who said that from now on, there were going to be a couple of players who were full so to speak, who'd lost their spark, regardless if they know it or not. Also, Mancini has performed on an expected level, not really rising to the challenge but not doing worse (so far) than could be expected.
What do you think?
I kind of agree with this. My expectations before the season were that we were gonna struggle to repeat last year's success. Result- and point wise we're there and about - perhaps a little bit lower than I'd thought. A big reason our season looks "poor" is that Scum are having a freakishly good season with a very average team.
We should look very good & be challenging strongly for the title. Whether we win it is a different matter but we should not be surrendering it in early Feb, we should just be warming up for the start of the run in. Some rag twat journo has just called it the most pathetic attempt at defending a title ever & unfortunately, he is correct.We have achieved the most pathetic Champions League effort ever, & the most pathetic title defence ever, as well as being dicked out of the League Cup by Aston Villa on our own ground.
This with a squad containing: Hart, Zabaleta, Clichy, Kompany, Yaya Toure, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez, Balotelli & Nasri.
Then we have, Barry, Lescott, Milner, Garcia, Kolarov, Kolo Toure. All of those would have been playing against us for QPR & Southampton if their managers could afford them.
If Mancini genuinely cannot put in a decent challenge with this squad & is so incompetent that he needs another £100 mil just to compete, then he should just fuck off & let a proper manager have a go; one who actually MANAGES.
This season has not been good enough, not even close, & it's his fault.
The only reason for keeping him is if we believe, as I do, that he will sort it out for next season. NOT that he will just blow a load of money to paper over the cracks because he is incapable of managing the best squad ever assembled in this country.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:mr_nool wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:One question, to try to get away from the "who signed the what and who wanted the he and the him":
For whatever reason, the players we got the summer were not the players we initially wanted but they are the players we got. Given the outcome of the transfer window, has a, the team and then b, Mancini, performed as expected, below expectations or above expectations. And no, this has nothing to do with what you had expected at the beginning of the season. What could we expect from the team, given the outcome of the summer transfer window and then the winter transfer window.
For me, the answers on both are as expected. With no new real competition for places there was bound to be complacency in the team. I think it was Neville (sorry) who said that from now on, there were going to be a couple of players who were full so to speak, who'd lost their spark, regardless if they know it or not. Also, Mancini has performed on an expected level, not really rising to the challenge but not doing worse (so far) than could be expected.
What do you think?
I kind of agree with this. My expectations before the season were that we were gonna struggle to repeat last year's success. Result- and point wise we're there and about - perhaps a little bit lower than I'd thought. A big reason our season looks "poor" is that Scum are having a freakishly good season with a very average team.
We should look very good & be challenging strongly for the title. Whether we win it is a different matter but we should not be surrendering it in early Feb, we should just be warming up for the start of the run in. Some rag twat journo has just called it the most pathetic attempt at defending a title ever & unfortunately, he is correct.We have achieved the most pathetic Champions League effort ever, & the most pathetic title defence ever, as well as being dicked out of the League Cup by Aston Villa on our own ground.
This with a squad containing: Hart, Zabaleta, Clichy, Kompany, Yaya Toure, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez, Balotelli & Nasri.
Then we have, Barry, Lescott, Milner, Garcia, Kolarov, Kolo Toure. All of those would have been playing against us for QPR & Southampton if their managers could afford them.
If Mancini genuinely cannot put in a decent challenge with this squad & is so incompetent that he needs another £100 mil just to compete, then he should just fuck off & let a proper manager have a go; one who actually MANAGES.
This season has not been good enough, not even close, & it's his fault.
The only reason for keeping him is if we believe, as I do, that he will sort it out for next season. NOT that he will just blow a load of money to paper over the cracks because he is incapable of managing the best squad ever assembled in this country.
Have to take exception to that. We ourselves won the title 1937 and were relegated the following season. Football didn't start 1992.
Hazy2 wrote:The DDR thing would have scared any CEO. Mancini trying to spend 20 mill on fee 5 mill a season for 3 yrs, 31 yrs old. lucky he was not sacked for that.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:mr_nool wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:One question, to try to get away from the "who signed the what and who wanted the he and the him":
For whatever reason, the players we got the summer were not the players we initially wanted but they are the players we got. Given the outcome of the transfer window, has a, the team and then b, Mancini, performed as expected, below expectations or above expectations. And no, this has nothing to do with what you had expected at the beginning of the season. What could we expect from the team, given the outcome of the summer transfer window and then the winter transfer window.
For me, the answers on both are as expected. With no new real competition for places there was bound to be complacency in the team. I think it was Neville (sorry) who said that from now on, there were going to be a couple of players who were full so to speak, who'd lost their spark, regardless if they know it or not. Also, Mancini has performed on an expected level, not really rising to the challenge but not doing worse (so far) than could be expected.
What do you think?
I kind of agree with this. My expectations before the season were that we were gonna struggle to repeat last year's success. Result- and point wise we're there and about - perhaps a little bit lower than I'd thought. A big reason our season looks "poor" is that Scum are having a freakishly good season with a very average team.
We should look very good & be challenging strongly for the title. Whether we win it is a different matter but we should not be surrendering it in early Feb, we should just be warming up for the start of the run in. Some rag twat journo has just called it the most pathetic attempt at defending a title ever & unfortunately, he is correct.We have achieved the most pathetic Champions League effort ever, & the most pathetic title defence ever, as well as being dicked out of the League Cup by Aston Villa on our own ground.
This with a squad containing: Hart, Zabaleta, Clichy, Kompany, Yaya Toure, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez, Balotelli & Nasri.
Then we have, Barry, Lescott, Milner, Garcia, Kolarov, Kolo Toure. All of those would have been playing against us for QPR & Southampton if their managers could afford them.
If Mancini genuinely cannot put in a decent challenge with this squad & is so incompetent that he needs another £100 mil just to compete, then he should just fuck off & let a proper manager have a go; one who actually MANAGES.
This season has not been good enough, not even close, & it's his fault.
The only reason for keeping him is if we believe, as I do, that he will sort it out for next season. NOT that he will just blow a load of money to paper over the cracks because he is incapable of managing the best squad ever assembled in this country.
Have to take exception to that. We ourselves won the title 1937 and were relegated the following season. Football didn't start 1992.
phips wrote:I dont agree about Nasti at all. He's been great for us.
And RvP never would've come here with United interested, like they were. We stood 0% chance.
Alex Sapphire wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:mr_nool wrote:Cocacolajojo wrote:One question, to try to get away from the "who signed the what and who wanted the he and the him":
For whatever reason, the players we got the summer were not the players we initially wanted but they are the players we got. Given the outcome of the transfer window, has a, the team and then b, Mancini, performed as expected, below expectations or above expectations. And no, this has nothing to do with what you had expected at the beginning of the season. What could we expect from the team, given the outcome of the summer transfer window and then the winter transfer window.
For me, the answers on both are as expected. With no new real competition for places there was bound to be complacency in the team. I think it was Neville (sorry) who said that from now on, there were going to be a couple of players who were full so to speak, who'd lost their spark, regardless if they know it or not. Also, Mancini has performed on an expected level, not really rising to the challenge but not doing worse (so far) than could be expected.
What do you think?
I kind of agree with this. My expectations before the season were that we were gonna struggle to repeat last year's success. Result- and point wise we're there and about - perhaps a little bit lower than I'd thought. A big reason our season looks "poor" is that Scum are having a freakishly good season with a very average team.
We should look very good & be challenging strongly for the title. Whether we win it is a different matter but we should not be surrendering it in early Feb, we should just be warming up for the start of the run in. Some rag twat journo has just called it the most pathetic attempt at defending a title ever & unfortunately, he is correct.We have achieved the most pathetic Champions League effort ever, & the most pathetic title defence ever, as well as being dicked out of the League Cup by Aston Villa on our own ground.
This with a squad containing: Hart, Zabaleta, Clichy, Kompany, Yaya Toure, Silva, Aguero, Dzeko, Tevez, Balotelli & Nasri.
Then we have, Barry, Lescott, Milner, Garcia, Kolarov, Kolo Toure. All of those would have been playing against us for QPR & Southampton if their managers could afford them.
If Mancini genuinely cannot put in a decent challenge with this squad & is so incompetent that he needs another £100 mil just to compete, then he should just fuck off & let a proper manager have a go; one who actually MANAGES.
This season has not been good enough, not even close, & it's his fault.
The only reason for keeping him is if we believe, as I do, that he will sort it out for next season. NOT that he will just blow a load of money to paper over the cracks because he is incapable of managing the best squad ever assembled in this country.
Have to take exception to that. We ourselves won the title 1937 and were relegated the following season. Football didn't start 1992.
Blackburn amassed 61 points in their attempt to defend the title
Scum have poled up with 77 (three times?) and 75 points defending theirs.
Let's see shall we
phips wrote:you're right. but like it not, big players still prefer to go their over City unless all they care about is money (Nasri), then they'll come here.
Original Dub wrote:phips wrote:you're right. but like it not, big players still prefer to go their over City unless all they care about is money (Nasri), then they'll come here.
How very raglike.
london blue 2 wrote:Unfortunately it's true though
Ted Hughes wrote:
Did any of them have resources like ours & only one genuine competitor & were they pretty much dead by early February with 12 games left ?
Original Dub wrote:london blue 2 wrote:Unfortunately it's true though
City were favourites to win the league again. Balotelli chose city. Nasri chose city. Tevez chose city. Aguero chose city.
They chose city because it was the best deal for them for whatever reason. And this has been happening for years.
Putting a rag slant on it should be left up to the media and baconface.
I'm not sure what the fuck happened with Mancini this season, but it was us who were favourites for every honour over the rags.
I think rvp got either more money, a gaurantee of more playing time or both.
You don't turn down the champions and the favourites for all the honours for some sort of boybood dream. That story is a load of bollox.
london blue 2 wrote:I understand what you're saying but I think you're being naive in thinking that most footballers would choose city over utd. regardless of deals most top pros would unfortunately prefer thier CV or "history" to show they played for them over us. It will take sometime for us to change that opinion. Although we are slowely getting there.
london blue 2 wrote:Original Dub wrote:london blue 2 wrote:Unfortunately it's true though
City were favourites to win the league again. Balotelli chose city. Nasri chose city. Tevez chose city. Aguero chose city.
They chose city because it was the best deal for them for whatever reason. And this has been happening for years.
Putting a rag slant on it should be left up to the media and baconface.
I'm not sure what the fuck happened with Mancini this season, but it was us who were favourites for every honour over the rags.
I think rvp got either more money, a gaurantee of more playing time or both.
You don't turn down the champions and the favourites for all the honours for some sort of boybood dream. That story is a load of bollox.
I understand what you're saying but I think you're being naive in thinking that most footballers would choose city over utd. regardless of deals most top pros would unfortunately prefer thier CV or "history" to show they played for them over us. It will take sometime for us to change that opinion. Although we are slowely getting there.
zuricity wrote:Hazy2 wrote:The DDR thing would have scared any CEO. Mancini trying to spend 20 mill on fee 5 mill a season for 3 yrs, 31 yrs old. lucky he was not sacked for that.
Fat Frank , at 34 is still knocking 'em in for the rent boys . Good midfielders can always do a job if used wisely DDR is still a good midfielder.
Ted Hughes wrote:
Did any of them have resources like ours & only one genuine competitor & were they pretty much dead by early February with 12 games left ?
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