We need a new Keeper

[Green & Blue]

Penny for Panti's thoughts ...

Prob wondering why he stood gormless for that goal last weekend.In all fairness he has done okay but I think we all knew(him included)that Pellers was issuing a wake up call to Hart.It was only a matter of time until he got the jersey back.Joe has done pretty well recently anything that's beaten him he could have done little or nothing about.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Penny for Panti's thoughts ...

On flip side he never got a sniff of prem under previous manager so he's much better off.

[Florida Blue]

Penny for Panti's thoughts ...

On flip side he never got a sniff of prem under previous manager so he's much better off.

Panti did exactly what he was paid to do, replace the number 1 for whatever reason and not lose any games. While he indeed made some top class saves, I do not think he alone won us any games, but he clearly did not make any mistakes to lose us any. Joe Hart will win us some games (and when all is done win us many more than he will lose us) and he can make the difference between champions and runner-up, Panti is not that difference maker.

Any like PBL wrote Panti had a nice run of matches under Pellers, unlike before, and should really be proud at season's end when we win the league, and he was a major contributor this time. Additionally, if Joe does miss some time due to injury, he has experience now with top flight pressure. Poor or not he did stand in goal when we beat Arsenal.

[Herb]

Prob wondering why he stood gormless for that goal last weekend.In all fairness he has done okay but I think we all knew(him included)that Pellers was issuing a wake up call to Hart.It was only a matter of time until he got the jersey back.Joe has done pretty well recently anything that's beaten him he could have done little or nothing about.

To be brutally honest, Joe hart could give lessons in looking gormless as the ball rolls into the net and masterclasses in throwing 3 points due to shit poor keeping - in his last run out he was fine (except for distribution) but he wasn't tested much in his weaker areas so I'm hoping for a superb game from him today as he'll need to play like an exceptional keeper today with the dippers testing him.
I think Joe could develop into a great keeper in due course but note that he's gone downhill since 2011/12 and that, as a fair to middling keeper, he simply isn't good enough for a team with our aspirations.
Here's hoping he plays a blinder this afternoon - come on Joe Hart!

[DoomMerchant]

To be brutally honest, Joe hart could give lessons in looking gormless as the ball rolls into the net and masterclasses in throwing 3 points due to shit poor keeping - in his last run out he was fine (except for distribution) but he wasn't tested much in his weaker areas so I'm hoping for a superb game from him today as he'll need to play like an exceptional keeper today with the dippers testing him.
I think Joe could develop into a great keeper in due course but note that he's gone downhill since 2011/12 and that, as a fair to middling keeper, he simply isn't good enough for a team with our aspirations.
Here's hoping he plays a blinder this afternoon - come on Joe Hart!

What did you think of his performance today Herb? I tuned in the radio but it sounded like he did pretty well.

[Tesl]

Hart did well today. There was a moment he looked as if he was going to charge out his area pointlessly again, but then stepped back and restrained himself. Maybe he learned something in his time out!

I think this was well managed by Pelligrini and I've faith Hart will stay good now. Fingers crossed at least.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Excellent performance from Hart today.

Question for his critics, did his performance today win us points?

[sheblue]

Excellent performance from Hart today.

Question for his critics, did his performance today win us points?

Not a critic.
Him and vinny were very good.
Would Costel have gotten down to make that save in the first half? Doubtful.
The rest has done him good, well done pelligrini, it was the correct thing to do.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Excellent performance from Hart today.

Question for his critics, did his performance today win us points?

Not a critic.
Him and vinny were very good.
Would Costel have gotten down to make that save in the first half? Doubtful.
The rest has done him good, well done pelligrini, it was the correct thing to do.

Vinnie is a top player and a top captain but today he was good and bad.Some of his attempts to intercept went wrong and put us in real trouble which mostly we survived. Joe was good though although that "thing" with Joleon scared me.Thought he should have owned that but past indiscretions going to meet through balls probably kept him back.

[Nick]

Saw it from the ground, rather than tv so maybe i'm blinded..

but 1) his star fish has never and will never work. Panti's always does.
2) his distribution is consistently gash

[Jorgobot]

Saw it from the ground, rather than tv so maybe i'm blinded..

but 1) his star fish has never and will never work. Panti's always does.
2) his distribution is consistently gash

What is a star fish in this situation?

[dazby]

Saw it from the ground, rather than tv so maybe i'm blinded..

but 1) his star fish has never and will never work. Panti's always does.
2) his distribution is consistently gash

What is a star fish in this situation?

Does the splits and raises his arms.

Really good game from Joe today. Yes some of his distribution was amiss but the rest of his game was very solid.

[Herb]

Saw it from the ground, rather than tv so maybe i'm blinded..

but 1) his star fish has never and will never work. Panti's always does.
2) his distribution is consistently gash

I sat and watched it live likewise and I think you're spot on with your observation - the 'star fish' was executed before any shot was taken - he could have done the traditional thing and just slid in and gathered the ball (and the man) but he seemed to panic and sit down - and ergo 1 goal down suddenly. And, yes, his distribution was gash but not totally as there was one notably fast and accurate throw to Nasri (I think) in the first half. The bloke sat next to me said it was Joe's Christmas present to the blind and the foolish and I know what he meant by that because it wasn't repeated but will undoubtadly be used as a rare example to defend his play.
He also made 2 good reaction saves (which are his trademark and what he really is very very good at), and got good applause from me, but he wasn't anything other than average in dealing with crosses etc. - he was easily in the 'had a good game' bracket if judged against mid-table keeper standard but it was certainly not at the level expected from a bloke doing the keeping for EPL championship contenders and CL hopefuls.
I love his effort and I could hug him for it but he isn't quite cutting the mustard at the moment and that makes us vulnerable and keeps our defence nervous - maybe he needs time to develop loaned out to another prem side for a couple of seasons while we bring in an established top class keeper to bolster our european aspirations and tighten us up at the back in our push to be league champions?

So, yes, I guess we do need a new keeper because it's just so bloody wrong for us to have a keeper of a lesser standard than the keeper playing for the rags . . just wrong because we have a tradition of having only the very best between the sticks.

[freshie]

I sat and watched it live likewise and I think you're spot on with your observation - the 'star fish' was executed before any shot was taken - he could have done the traditional thing and just slid in and gathered the ball (and the man) but he seemed to panic and sit down - and ergo 1 goal down suddenly. And, yes, his distribution was gash but not totally as there was one notably fast and accurate throw to Nasri (I think) in the first half. The bloke sat next to me said it was Joe's Christmas present to the blind and the foolish and I know what he meant by that because it wasn't repeated but will undoubtadly be used as a rare example to defend his play. He also made 2 good reaction saves (which are his trademark and what he really is very very good at), and got good applause from me, but he wasn't anything other than average in dealing with crosses etc. - he was easily in the 'had a good game' bracket if judged against mid-table keeper standard but it was certainly not at the level expected from a bloke doing the keeping for EPL championship contenders and CL hopefuls. I love his effort and I could hug him for it but he isn't quite cutting the mustard at the moment and that makes us vulnerable and keeps our defence nervous - maybe he needs time to develop loaned out to another prem side for a couple of seasons while we bring in an established top class keeper to bolster our european aspirations and tighten us up at the back in our push to be league champions? So, yes, I guess we do need a new keeper because it's just so bloody wrong for us to have a keeper of a lesser standard than the keeper playing for the rags . . just wrong because we have a tradition of having only the very best between the sticks.

Seriously, you're moaning after today's performance?

[Herb]

Seriously, you're moaning after today's performance?

Not moaning at the effort made and not moaning about his 2 (pretty damn special) reaction saves but, yes, saying that his overall ability doesn't do us justice. His reaction saves meant that he was special for his age 3 years ago but I don't think that he's developed at all since then and we need better than he can reliably provide at the moment.
I also suspect that he'll take some of the show-boating out of his game, learn the value of positioning, fast accurate distribution and how to command the box from corners and crosses etc. in the next 2 or 3 years and become a world beater from say 29yo onwards.
But, love him as we all do, the fact of the matter is that he's not there yet and hasn't ever been 'there' whereas we really need to have a keeper who has long experience and who is in his best years right here and right now.

Sorry if that sounds negative to you - I do like Joe and I'm not having a pop - just saying it as I see it as a supporter is all.

[dazby]

Hi Herb, I'm just registering that I don't agree with you. At all.

I would like him to take more short options with his distribution. That's it.

[Herb]

Hi Herb, I'm just registering that I don't agree with you. At all. I would like him to take more short options with his distribution. That's it.

Dazby, that's cool fella - nice that you have an opinion that differs from mine (and where would forums be if all opinions were aligned) but please explain why you don't agree as a point of debate.
I might even agree with you if you explain well enough - how about that eh?

[dazby]

Sure. I think he's world class. He's had some bad games this season and I've slated him for those. However, when you look at a keeper's career of around 20 years the past year has been a blip.

Pellers has played him perfectly. He gave him some time out to refresh, with the odd game here and there to keep his glove in. Now he's back in the fray and looking good.

I'd just like to see him distribute shorter more often. Other than that, he looks great.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Saw it from the ground, rather than tv so maybe i'm blinded..

but 1) his star fish has never and will never work. Panti's always does.
2) his distribution is consistently gash

That's such a fucking bullshit. I can't even count the times he has won one on ones over the years by spreading himself. And made amazing goalline saves.

He isn't a sweeper, he is a goalkeeper in traditional sense. He shouldn't be asked to take those long shots because that's his weakness and will always be. Thank god Vinny can open the game with best of them.

[OliverHardy]

Utterly bizarre comments on this thread, are people actually being serious about wanting rid of Hart? I thought this was a joke at first. Comical