Who gets the credit? Bobby or Pellers?

[Wonderwall]

It's admirable that people are jumping to someone's defence.

But socs/jf needs no one to fight his battles

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Apparently Arthur Connell's descendants are in the Evening News tonight trying to take the credit for our recent form on behalf of their late great-great-great-grandfather.

I know who Anna Connell is, who is Arthur Connell?

Arthur's her dad.

[Slim]

Apparently Arthur Connell's descendants are in the Evening News tonight trying to take the credit for our recent form on behalf of their late great-great-great-grandfather.

I know who Anna Connell is, who is Arthur Connell?

Arthur's her dad.

The Vicar then?

That makes sense.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Apparently Arthur Connell's descendants are in the Evening News tonight trying to take the credit for our recent form on behalf of their late great-great-great-grandfather.

I know who Anna Connell is, who is Arthur Connell?

Arthur's her dad.

The Vicar then?

That makes sense.

Yes, the vicar. He was the catalyst for the whole thing.

[BlueinBosnia]

I think Bobby was a better fit to take over from Hughes than Manuel would have been.

This I actually agree with.

[Ted Hughes]

I think Bobby was a better fit to take over from Hughes than Manuel would have been.

This I actually agree with.

Same here.

The Count is basically doing what Hughes was trying to do, but Hughes had vastly inferior players who weren't capable of doing it. To go from that level to this whilst changing 'C' list players to 'A' list players would have taken years & teams would have been able to get at us, playing so open. I doubt the Count could have taken over that team & suddenly transformed it. In time yes, but he would probably have been sacked for not hitting targets (or had to play like Mancini did anyway).

Bob approached it a different way, making us more solid, & it allowed us to bring in top quality players & win the league whilst building a platform for someone to come in & play the kind of football the bosses want (& need in order to grow the global appeal they seek).

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I think Bobby was a better fit to take over from Hughes than Manuel would have been.

This I actually agree with.

Same here.

The Count is basically doing what Hughes was trying to do, but Hughes had vastly inferior players who weren't capable of doing it. To go from that level to this whilst changing 'C' list players to 'A' list players would have taken years & teams would have been able to get at us, playing so open. I doubt the Count could have taken over that team & suddenly transformed it. In time yes, but he would probably have been sacked for not hitting targets (or had to play like Mancini did anyway).

Bob approached it a different way, making us more solid, & it allowed us to bring in top quality players & win the league whilst building a platform for someone to come in & play the kind of football the bosses want (& need in order to grow the global appeal they seek).

I agree. Mancini did well for us but ultimately it was time for him to move on before things got really sour.

[zuricity]

Yes, the vicar. He was the catalyst for the whole thing.

Wow , him being a vicar, i read that as catamite and not catalyst.

[phips]

"I think Pellegrini is doing a good job but what Manchester City is doing now we did three years ago. It's the same."

no, its not the same Bobby

[saulman]

Mancini can hold his head high after what he did for us. There was a corner that needed to be turned and he steered us round it. Who knows, without him and his mentality, we may still be looking for that elusive trophy. He also presided over the greatest, never to be beaten league finish in the history of the game. As fantastic as it was, we must remind ourselves that it was only seconds from disaster. For that, I think we should thank Aguero maybe more than Mancini.

All that said, if Mancini thinks that the football we were playing in our winning season was anything like the stuff being served up today, week in/week out, he's deluding himself. We are absolutely, unbelievably, eye-rubbingly, fucking awesome. Nasri is the player we bought. Kolarov looks like a different player. The team are happy with smiles all round. Even Garcia is looking like he might turn out to be quality.....and 106 goals along the way.... AND...we no longer dominate the media for events happening off the field which is a huge plus, IMO. All of that is down to Pellegrini. Long may it continue.

[Socrates]

It's admirable that people are jumping to someone's defence.

But socs/jf needs no one to fight his battles

This much is true. I only just checked back in to this thread. People objecting to racist comments as much as defending me to be fair. That is definitely worthy.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think Bobby was a better fit to take over from Hughes than Manuel would have been.

This I actually agree with.

Same here.

The Count is basically doing what Hughes was trying to do, but Hughes had vastly inferior players who weren't capable of doing it. To go from that level to this whilst changing 'C' list players to 'A' list players would have taken years & teams would have been able to get at us, playing so open. I doubt the Count could have taken over that team & suddenly transformed it. In time yes, but he would probably have been sacked for not hitting targets (or had to play like Mancini did anyway).

Bob approached it a different way, making us more solid, & it allowed us to bring in top quality players & win the league whilst building a platform for someone to come in & play the kind of football the bosses want (& need in order to grow the global appeal they seek).

That was ridiculous thing to say from Mancini and our current success is Pellegrini's doing although he has built to platform Mancini gave us.

But to say Hughes was trying to do anything Pellegrini is doing now would be horrible horrible insult to The Engineer. I'm not having that at all. Hughes was and still is clueless clown.

[Bleed_Blue]

Tricky question like :

Who gets the blame for Utd - Fergi or Moyesi

[DoomMerchant]

i loved what Mancini accomplished. I loved the results, barring the FA Cup final loss and the CL dross. Could he have done better? Probably not. I think he took us as far as he could have.

The Count has kicked it up a notch with a change in mentality that i am so thankful for. It's what i think many of us have dreamt about...a team like this off the leash and unbridled. I've never seen anything like it.

Also, I think it's really really boring to make fun of Socs. Like pissing on a turd in the bowl, or punching a retard, or fucking a fat girl, or taking candy from a baby, etc. etc. etc.

[Socrates]

i loved what Mancini accomplished. I loved the results, barring the FA Cup final loss and the CL dross. Could he have done better? Probably not. I think he took us as far as he could have.

The Count has kicked it up a notch with a change in mentality that i am so thankful for. It's what i think many of us have dreamt about...a team like this off the leash and unbridled. I've never seen anything like it.

Also, I think it's really really boring to make fun of Socs. Like pissing on a turd in the bowl, or punching a retard, or fucking a fat girl, or taking candy from a baby, etc. etc. etc.

I'll go with the fucking a fat girl one thanks, they have extra doses of hormones that make them awesome in bed.

[blue-nova]

I'm astonished that there have only been a couple of mentions for the owner.

I suspect it was more of a journo with a leading question than a dig from Mancini, but neither him nor Pelligrini would have done much with the squad Stuart Pearce had.

95% of the success is down to the money. After that a case can be made either way.

Pointswise we're not too different now to the last two Mancini seasons.

We're scoring freely (but even that's similar to the first 4 months of the title season though).

At this point in the title season we had 54 pts, 60 league goals, and a +42 goal difference. Only 3 goals less and everything else is better than now.

Easier Champions League group too for Pelligrini.

Personally I think we've now got a more varied attack and can see the good times continuing. Mancini had striker problems by this point, and less options.

If Pelligrini wins the league, and then follows it up with the same standard the next season, then he deserves the plaudits. If the team drift like they did under Mancini, then he'll have a point.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

i loved what Mancini accomplished. I loved the results, barring the FA Cup final loss and the CL dross. Could he have done better? Probably not. I think he took us as far as he could have.

The Count has kicked it up a notch with a change in mentality that i am so thankful for. It's what i think many of us have dreamt about...a team like this off the leash and unbridled. I've never seen anything like it.

Also, I think it's really really boring to make fun of Socs. Like pissing on a turd in the bowl, or punching a retard, or fucking a fat girl, or taking candy from a baby, etc. etc. etc.

I'll go with the fucking a fat girl one thanks, they have extra doses of hormones that make them awesome in bed.

My goodness Socs, old chum, that's an interesting viewpoint.

I'll have to bow to your vastly superior knowledge in such matters.

[tc6828]

I think we were all grateful for where Bobby got us to but I find it quite sad that he is now claiming today's successes that Pelle has brought.

If things transpired differently and Bobby was still in charge, I think several of those "key players" he talks about would have left for pastures new as they couldn't take much more of his dictorial manangement style.

Happy players will always go that extra mile and often punch above their weight individually and collectively, Bobby would no longer gain that from the team.

Thank you Bobby for moving us up several notches, be proud of what you achieved, but have professional pride and leave alone, your better than that.

[Evenmydoghatesunited]

I think we were all grateful for where Bobby got us to but I find it quite sad that he is now claiming today's successes that Pelle has brought. If things transpired differently and Bobby was still in charge, I think several of those "key players" he talks about would have left for pastures new as they couldn't take much more of his dictorial manangement style. Happy players will always go that extra mile and often punch above their weight individually and collectively, Bobby would no longer gain that from the team. Thank you Bobby for moving us up several notches, be proud of what you achieved, but have professional pride and leave alone, your better than that.

Exackerly how i see it too

[london blue 2]

"I think Pellegrini is doing a good job but what Manchester City is doing now we did three years ago. It's the same."

no, its not the same Bobby

First half of the title winning season wasn't far off. We blew almost everyone away until we were cheated at chelsea. It felt like the system was against us that season more than any with some of the shit going against us and for the rags.

Let us not forget the chant "we score when we want..."