World cup games thread

[Cocacolajojo1]

Conspiracy theorist crew eh?

I have a fair idea when something stinks and I point it out. The same blind dickhead crew were the very ones trying to convince us for the last four years that the media were impartial and there isn't corruption at the highest level in football.

I am very sceptical about areas of football, particularly the politics. Because it's a game I love and for some reason, the "flaws" in the game take generations to fix. The more flaws fixed, the less influence on the game. The less influence on the game, the less money some people make.

It's quite simple really. It's not like I'm trying to say bobby kennedy shot jack, or mgm filmed the moon landing in a basement.

I say what I see.

Sparty, you said what you saw. That's fine, but stop trying to make those of us who have a fair idea what's going on to be paranoid weirdos.

I could just as easy wade in, calling you naive cunts at the drop of a hat, but I don't.

You have your views on how football at this level is run at all times. I have mine.

OK, I'll do it.

NAIVE CUNTS!!! It's not a theory, I/we can see it with our own eyes.

It's not a conspiracy if you can see it with your own eyes without any effort what so ever.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Conspiracy theorist crew eh?

I have a fair idea when something stinks and I point it out. The same blind dickhead crew were the very ones trying to convince us for the last four years that the media were impartial and there isn't corruption at the highest level in football.

I am very sceptical about areas of football, particularly the politics. Because it's a game I love and for some reason, the "flaws" in the game take generations to fix. The more flaws fixed, the less influence on the game. The less influence on the game, the less money some people make.

It's quite simple really. It's not like I'm trying to say bobby kennedy shot jack, or mgm filmed the moon landing in a basement.

I say what I see.

Sparty, you said what you saw. That's fine, but stop trying to make those of us who have a fair idea what's going on to be paranoid weirdos.

I could just as easy wade in, calling you naive cunts at the drop of a hat, but I don't.

You have your views on how football at this level is run at all times. I have mine.

There certainly is corruption. Fifa itself a prime example. How Qatar, a nation with no footballing history or even stadia, a country which (effectively) legalises slavery was awarded the world cup is proof enough. Then surprise, surprise it comes out that bribes were involved.
In terms of the politics of the game, corruption certainly exists.

However I do think on the pitch there is a difference between corruption and influence. Big teams generally get the rub of the green regarding decisions and we (City)do to a certain extent do aswell. Referees are only human and I think especially with some clubs such as Liverpool and the Rags in recent years they succumb to the pressure of the media/fans/atmosphere and give generous decisions. Barca as well did too against us. I wouldn't say that's corruption though, more so the referees being influenced by outside pressures, unless of course it comes out there was match fixing/ payments or otherwise but I'd like to think there's not.
I also think a few on here have a tendency to claim the whole game's corrupt for every decision which doesn't go our way.

Having said all that though, even I felt something was up last night. Brazil were given every decision and the two big decisions both should have gone the other way. It has made me question it slightly.

[Ted Hughes]

Someone made the rag analogy.

That's very much what we saw; ref bending over to help them out. Yes we have seen both those decisions given before, usually at OT, Afield or the Nou Camp etc. If it continues that way, Brazil have a big advantage in this competition.

[Beefymcfc]

Someone made the rag analogy.

That's very much what we saw; ref bending over to help them out. Yes we have seen both those decisions given before, usually at OT, Afield or the Nou Camp etc. If it continues that way, Brazil have a big advantage in this competition.

They sure have mate and it will make them very difficult to beat. I suppose it may help to keep the protestors a little quieter/off the street so it's all in a good cause.

[Original Dub]

Conspiracy theorist crew eh?

I have a fair idea when something stinks and I point it out. The same blind dickhead crew were the very ones trying to convince us for the last four years that the media were impartial and there isn't corruption at the highest level in football.

I am very sceptical about areas of football, particularly the politics. Because it's a game I love and for some reason, the "flaws" in the game take generations to fix. The more flaws fixed, the less influence on the game. The less influence on the game, the less money some people make.

It's quite simple really. It's not like I'm trying to say bobby kennedy shot jack, or mgm filmed the moon landing in a basement.

I say what I see.

Sparty, you said what you saw. That's fine, but stop trying to make those of us who have a fair idea what's going on to be paranoid weirdos.

I could just as easy wade in, calling you naive cunts at the drop of a hat, but I don't.

You have your views on how football at this level is run at all times. I have mine.

There certainly is corruption. Fifa itself a prime example. How Qatar, a nation with no footballing history or even stadia, a country which (effectively) legalises slavery was awarded the world cup is proof enough. Then surprise, surprise it comes out that bribes were involved.
In terms of the politics of the game, corruption certainly exists.

However I do think on the pitch there is a difference between corruption and influence. Big teams generally get the rub of the green regarding decisions and we (City)do to a certain extent do aswell. Referees are only human and I think especially with some clubs such as Liverpool and the Rags in recent years they succumb to the pressure of the media/fans/atmosphere and give generous decisions. Barca as well did too against us. I wouldn't say that's corruption though, more so the referees being influenced by outside pressures, unless of course it comes out there was match fixing/ payments or otherwise but I'd like to think there's not.
I also think a few on here have a tendency to claim the whole game's corrupt for every decision which doesn't go our way.

Having said all that though, even I felt something was up last night. Brazil were given every decision and the two big decisions both should have gone the other way. It has made me question it slightly.

I agree with pretty much all of that.

This time, you reckon something stinks. Other times, you don't. That's fair enough and we will all have different views on what we perceive to be coincidence/human error and blatant cheating. And most of the time we'll never know who was right and who was wrong.

It's the bullshit of calling people paranoid when they point it out. The "paranoid" crew rarely are the ones either calling everyone else naive or calling them out when corruption, and indeed players in the game, are under investigation.

It's a pretty hot topic and should be allowed to be discussed without this bollox labelling.

[City64]

For those who still don't believe FIFA are corrupt have a think about this ......

They are very very good at it , in fact they are untouchable so they do whatever they want to for the right price ....... Even with several billion looking into the " the biggest show on earth " .

[Cocacolajojo1]

It's the bullshit of calling people paranoid when they point it out. The "paranoid" crew rarely are the ones either calling everyone else naive or calling them out when corruption, and indeed players in the game, are under investigation.

It's a pretty hot topic and should be allowed to be discussed without this bollox labelling.

Look, I see where you're coming from. I'm sorry if my post about conspiracy theories irritated you but seriously, you're the only one who's used the word paranoid in this thread. Beefy used the term paranoia referring to himself, which I'm guessing wasn't meant in a derogatory sense, and so did BRF who's the only one who's literally referred to a paranoia crew.

All I was saying is that fine, poor penalty, but it's not the first time it happens and from the view of the ref, explainable. Do Brazil have an advantage in this world cup? Yeah judging from the evidence we have from this game, but not moreso than any other country that's ever arranged a world cup. I myself was looking forward to a world cup free from vuvuzelas and boring 1-0 games and I guess I just didn't like that this site, after one game, went into corruption mode. There are so many threads that deal with these issues already. But yeah, I can't hinder anyone from talking about what they want and I guess that if I started a thread titled "the world cup for those who don't want to talk about corruption" would contain posts from me... and yeah, that's about it. So go on but relax, only one person's played the paranoia crew card yet and you just gave him a thumbs up.

[Original Dub]

It's the bullshit of calling people paranoid when they point it out. The "paranoid" crew rarely are the ones either calling everyone else naive or calling them out when corruption, and indeed players in the game, are under investigation.

It's a pretty hot topic and should be allowed to be discussed without this bollox labelling.

Look, I see where you're coming from. I'm sorry if my post about conspiracy theories irritated you but seriously, you're the only one who's used the word paranoid in this thread. Beefy used the term paranoia referring to himself, which I'm guessing wasn't meant in a derogatory sense, and so did BRF who's the only one who's literally referred to a paranoia crew.

All I was saying is that fine, poor penalty, but it's not the first time it happens and from the view of the ref, explainable. Do Brazil have an advantage in this world cup? Yeah judging from the evidence we have from this game, but not moreso than any other country that's ever arranged a world cup. I myself was looking forward to a world cup free from vuvuzelas and boring 1-0 games and I guess I just didn't like that this site, after one game, went into corruption mode. There are so many threads that deal with these issues already. But yeah, I can't hinder anyone from talking about what they want and I guess that if I started a thread titled "the world cup for those who don't want to talk about corruption" would contain posts from me... and yeah, that's about it. So go on but relax, only one person's played the paranoia crew card yet and you just gave him a thumbs up.

Your post didn't annoy me.

For starters, the word "paranoid" has a strong association with "conspiracy theorists", so you shouldn't be inferring my use of it means anything other than that... if that is what you are doing. I'm not actually sure.

Anyway, my post was not simply about that world cup game, but about how when something stinks and a poster mentions it, there is always someone ready with a label.

If we're going to be cunts about every controversial decision/debate, then there are two clubs. The paranoid conspiracy theorists club and the blind naive cunts club.

Only there may be a slight problem... sometimes I'm in the other club. In this last debate, we have lost a theorist cunt to the naive club....

Oh I dunno, maybe there isn't any clubs at all.

[Cocacolajojo1]

It's the bullshit of calling people paranoid when they point it out. The "paranoid" crew rarely are the ones either calling everyone else naive or calling them out when corruption, and indeed players in the game, are under investigation.

It's a pretty hot topic and should be allowed to be discussed without this bollox labelling.

Look, I see where you're coming from. I'm sorry if my post about conspiracy theories irritated you but seriously, you're the only one who's used the word paranoid in this thread. Beefy used the term paranoia referring to himself, which I'm guessing wasn't meant in a derogatory sense, and so did BRF who's the only one who's literally referred to a paranoia crew.

All I was saying is that fine, poor penalty, but it's not the first time it happens and from the view of the ref, explainable. Do Brazil have an advantage in this world cup? Yeah judging from the evidence we have from this game, but not moreso than any other country that's ever arranged a world cup. I myself was looking forward to a world cup free from vuvuzelas and boring 1-0 games and I guess I just didn't like that this site, after one game, went into corruption mode. There are so many threads that deal with these issues already. But yeah, I can't hinder anyone from talking about what they want and I guess that if I started a thread titled "the world cup for those who don't want to talk about corruption" would contain posts from me... and yeah, that's about it. So go on but relax, only one person's played the paranoia crew card yet and you just gave him a thumbs up.

Your post didn't annoy me.

For starters, the word "paranoid" has a strong association with "conspiracy theorists", so you shouldn't be inferring my use of it means anything other than that... if that is what you are doing. I'm not actually sure.

Anyway, my post was not simply about that world cup game, but about how when something stinks and a poster mentions it, there is always someone ready with a label.

If we're going to be cunts about every controversial decision/debate, then there are two clubs. The paranoid conspiracy theorists club and the blind naive cunts club.

Only there may be a slight problem... sometimes I'm in the other club. In this last debate, we have lost a theorist cunt to the naive club....

Oh I dunno, maybe there isn't any clubs at all.

I wasn't inferring, I simply searched the thread for anyone "calling people paranoid". Anyway, yeah, you're probably right in the general scheme of things. Calling names won't lead to much. I thoroughly enjoyed yesterday's game though and I sleep an untroubled sleep without the vuvuzelas, so I guess that's where I'm coming from. I think this can be the best world cup in quite a while, I mean, if we disregard the monstrosity that is the organization arranging it and the protests and pepper spray outside the arenas. Sportswise I mean.

[Original Dub]

Absolutely.

I think club football overtook international football a few years back, but that doesn't stop me loving the world cup. Nor does dodgy decisions and dodgy governing.
But in turn, that does not mean I'll pretend it's not there if I feel something stinks!

I'd love to take the next month off to be honest :)

[Cocacolajojo1]

Absolutely.

I think club football overtook international football a few years back,¨

I feel exactly the same. I have no idea why though.

[Slim]

COME ON AUSSIE!

[Bianchi on Ice]

Absolutely.

I think club football overtook international football a few years back,¨

I feel exactly the same. I have no idea why though.

I prefered it when it was 16 teams. still could be..just cut the dross from each federation and have a davis cup type pre-qualifier system to give you the 16 rather than all these shitty qualifying groups...quality would be much higher...although England might not qualify for it...but if that doesnt get the FA to implement proper reforms nothing will

[Bridge'srightfoot]

So Mexico v Cameroon next. Don't really care about the result, just hope to see some good football.

[carl_feedthegoat]

The ref didn't cheat ,most Japanese have a fucking moral duty to do the best that they can growing up , its part and parcel of their upbringing.

The controversy comes from those corrupt WANKERS who put referees of his caliber in charge of games like this knowing full well that the pressure they come under will favor the "popular" team...in this case Brasil.

Thank fuck England have a ref from Holland and not outer Mongolia.

[PeterParker]

Mexico just had ruled out a perfectly good goal.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

WHAT IS GOING ON? Mexico have had two perfectly good goals chalked off. 4 awful decisions in less than 2 games.

[DoomMerchant]

Mexico just had ruled out a perfectly good goal.

Its basically going to be the death of FIFA and international football if this keeps up and if that crap brasil team wins this tournament.

I have high hopes so I'm hoping these are typical anomolies that refs will perform but its just....


And another. Need to see a replay of that one tho.

[Tokyo Blue]

The ref didn't cheat ,most Japanese have a fucking moral duty to do the best that they can growing up , its part and parcel of their upbringing.

The controversy comes from those corrupt WANKERS who put referees of his caliber in charge of games like this knowing full well that the pressure they come under will favor the "popular" team...in this case Brasil.

Thank fuck England have a ref from Holland and not outer Mongolia.

Your first paragraph is right. But they also have a massive love of Brazilian football and all the inherent shitty-arsed diving, moaning and whining that is part and parcel of that.

Whether any pressure has been put on him is anyone's guess. After South Korea in 2002, I would put nothing at all past certain people at the top of the football ladder.

He reffed a quarter-final in the last World Cup (if memory serves) and no-one complained about him then cause basically he got stuff right. Nor were there complaints about him when he reffed GB at the Olympics two years ago. I have seen him often and he is basically a good ref, equivalent to a Mike Dean in England. Now though I believe he has made some elementary errors on the largest stage that may well cost him his international career. Stiff shit if it does. He got the penalty and the elbow wrong.

His mistakes were no worse than the "performance" of the Uruguayan ref who, amongst other things, failed to see Lampard's goal versus the goosesteppers.

[Tokyo Blue]

Methinks Uncle Sepp has put a billion quid on Cameroon for the first goal.