Pep Out. Again! But Now Back In.

[sheblue]

We're in transition and he needs players. Must start with defence.
Kola
Clichy
Zabba
All need to go. Immediately.
Then bring in a centre back.
This all can't be done in January.
Its going to be a long haul.

we've been in transition for about 3 years

Yes and it was handled badly a lot of players brought in are not up to it. It will take this man time to sort it.

[nottsblue]

We're in transition and he needs players. Must start with defence.
Kola
Clichy
Zabba
All need to go. Immediately.
Then bring in a centre back.
This all can't be done in January.
Its going to be a long haul.

we've been in transition for about 3 years

1 PL and two pots is pretty decent then for a team in transition

[lovecity8utd]

We're in transition and he needs players. Must start with defence.
Kola
Clichy
Zabba
All need to go. Immediately.
Then bring in a centre back.
This all can't be done in January.
Its going to be a long haul.

we've been in transition for about 3 years

1 PL and two pots is pretty decent then for a team in transition

I would agre with that if it weren't for the hundreds of millions we have spent......badly apparently.

[Original Dub]

We're in transition and he needs players. Must start with defence.
Kola
Clichy
Zabba
All need to go. Immediately.
Then bring in a centre back.
This all can't be done in January.
Its going to be a long haul.

we've been in transition for about 3 years

1 PL and two pots is pretty decent then for a team in transition

Sshhh... That's not to be taken into account at the moment.

[lovecity8utd]

We're in transition and he needs players. Must start with defence.
Kola
Clichy
Zabba
All need to go. Immediately.
Then bring in a centre back.
This all can't be done in January.
Its going to be a long haul.

we've been in transition for about 3 years

1 PL and two pots is pretty decent then for a team in transition

Sshhh... That's not to be taken into account at the moment.

I don't think it justifies the extent of investment, the state of the art training facilities, the supposed quality squad and the management teams we have had. Not good enough.

[nottsblue]

We're in transition and he needs players. Must start with defence.
Kola
Clichy
Zabba
All need to go. Immediately.
Then bring in a centre back.
This all can't be done in January.
Its going to be a long haul.

we've been in transition for about 3 years

1 PL and two pots is pretty decent then for a team in transition

Sshhh... That's not to be taken into account at the moment.

I don't think it justifies the extent of investment, the state of the art training facilities, the supposed quality squad and the management teams we have had. Not good enough.

Sustained success doesn't happen overnight. Or a season. The state of the art training facilities are only now starting to produce players as it takes time. Lots of it. I dare say we haven't tried as many players from it as we could've done with hindsight, but there you go. We can't all have crystal balls. Also, when you are aiming for the top it is difficult to give a youngster time to bed in as just a few dud results can be crucial in the PL title race.

The investment is not substantially more than the dippers or rags over the last three or four years. Can't remember seeing them in the CL much recently.

Also is 'transition' not just another way of saying 'evolving'? Teams that stand still get left behind as rivals then improve

[lovecity8utd]

Sshhh... That's not to be taken into account at the moment.[/quote]

I don't think it justifies the extent of investment, the state of the art training facilities, the supposed quality squad and the management teams we have had. Not good enough.[/quote]
Sustained success doesn't happen overnight. Or a season. The state of the art training facilities are only now starting to produce players as it takes time. Lots of it. I dare say we haven't tried as many players from it as we could've done with hindsight, but there you go. We can't all have crystal balls. Also, when you are aiming for the top it is difficult to give a youngster time to bed in as just a few dud results can be crucial in the PL title race.

The investment is not substantially more than the dippers or rags over the last three or four years. Can't remember seeing them in the CL much recently.

Also is 'transition' not just another way of saying 'evolving'? Teams that stand still get left behind as rivals then improve[/quote]

we've had investment long enough for some signs that we are going to have sustained success - I don't see any sign of it coming. I had assumed the training facilities would benefit the senior squad too. Again no sign of that. We should be able to carry one or two youngsters if they're good enough. Other teams do.

Can we transition or evolve backwards? That's what it looks like we are doing.

[nottsblue]

Sshhh... That's not to be taken into account at the moment.

I don't think it justifies the extent of investment, the state of the art training facilities, the supposed quality squad and the management teams we have had. Not good enough.[/quote]
Sustained success doesn't happen overnight. Or a season. The state of the art training facilities are only now starting to produce players as it takes time. Lots of it. I dare say we haven't tried as many players from it as we could've done with hindsight, but there you go. We can't all have crystal balls. Also, when you are aiming for the top it is difficult to give a youngster time to bed in as just a few dud results can be crucial in the PL title race.

The investment is not substantially more than the dippers or rags over the last three or four years. Can't remember seeing them in the CL much recently.

Also is 'transition' not just another way of saying 'evolving'? Teams that stand still get left behind as rivals then improve[/quote]

we've had investment long enough for some signs that we are going to have sustained success - I don't see any sign of it coming. I had assumed the training facilities would benefit the senior squad too. Again no sign of that. We should be able to carry one or two youngsters if they're good enough. Other teams do.

Can we transition or evolve backwards? That's what it looks like we are doing.[/quote]
What would you class as sustained success? Genuine question as I think we are at that position myself. We have finished in top 4 for six seasons now and only Arsenal currently have a longer run. We have qualified from the group stage the last four seasons. We have won three domestic pots. If that isn't consistent success then, pray tell, what is?

[Original Dub]

We have had sustained success and progress over the last few years. That's obvious I thought?

There's numpties on here wanting soriano out.
And other numpties wanting mancini back.

Pmsl. I'm embarrassed for you.

[Slim]

We have had sustained success and progress over the last few years. That's obvious I thought?

There's numpties on here wanting soriano out.
And other numpties wanting mancini back.

Pmsl. I'm embarrassed for you.

Wouldn't they want Beregstein out, not Soriano?

[Original Dub]

The numpties I'm referring to want both out slim.

They reckon both have taken us backwards.

[Beefymcfc]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

[iwasthere2012]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

Could he play LeftFullback.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

You're probably right about Mancini returning Beefy, but he certainly knew how to drill and organise a defence.

The trouble is though, there are some naive, trusting souls who are content to blindly follow Pep, without feeling any disquiet, concerns or criticisms of the way things are going. Those who do have concerns - and express them, as is their right, on this forum - are, instead, labelled "numpties".

I just get the impression that these naive souls, had they been present on the first day of Creation, would have begged the Lord not to alter the chaos, because it had always existed.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

You're probably right about Mancini returning Beefy, but he certainly knew how to drill and organise a defence.

The trouble is though, there are some naive, trusting souls who are content to blindly follow Pep, without feeling any disquiet, concerns or criticisms of the way things are going. Those who do have concerns - and express them, as is their right, on this forum - are, instead, labelled "numpties".

I just get the impression that these naive souls, had they been present on the first day of Creation, would have begged the Lord not to alter the chaos, because it had always existed.

Say someone who wants to bring back Mancini.

[South Stand Balti]

The lack of progress is bound to raise questions. We had our lowest points total in 7 years last season and this season we have won 4 of the last 15.

[Beefymcfc]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

You're probably right about Mancini returning Beefy, but he certainly knew how to drill and organise a defence.

The trouble is though, there are some naive, trusting souls who are content to blindly follow Pep, without feeling any disquiet, concerns or criticisms of the way things are going. Those who do have concerns - and express them, as is their right, on this forum - are, instead, labelled "numpties".

I just get the impression that these naive souls, had they been present on the first day of Creation, would have begged the Lord not to alter the chaos, because it had always existed.

As I mentioned in the match thread, these boards provide us with the opportunity to interact and talk about the concerns we have. And that's why I started the thread and why so many have responded. It's not really a matter of wanting Pep gone, it's, like you say, us wanting to talk about addressing the concerns. And there's many at the moment.

[South Stand Balti]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

You're probably right about Mancini returning Beefy, but he certainly knew how to drill and organise a defence.

The trouble is though, there are some naive, trusting souls who are content to blindly follow Pep, without feeling any disquiet, concerns or criticisms of the way things are going. Those who do have concerns - and express them, as is their right, on this forum - are, instead, labelled "numpties".

I just get the impression that these naive souls, had they been present on the first day of Creation, would have begged the Lord not to alter the chaos, because it had always existed.

As I mentioned in the match thread, these boards provide us with the opportunity to interact and talk about the concerns we have. And that's why I started the thread and why so many have responded. It's not really a matter of wanting Pep gone, it's, like you say, us wanting to talk about addressing the concerns. And there's many at the moment.

Well put, Beefy.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

It's quite obvious that none of them will go and will be given time to rectify the issues. Just hoping it doesn't take too long.

Ps. Bobby is a legend, and legends should never return unless it's in a different role.

You're probably right about Mancini returning Beefy, but he certainly knew how to drill and organise a defence.

The trouble is though, there are some naive, trusting souls who are content to blindly follow Pep, without feeling any disquiet, concerns or criticisms of the way things are going. Those who do have concerns - and express them, as is their right, on this forum - are, instead, labelled "numpties".

I just get the impression that these naive souls, had they been present on the first day of Creation, would have begged the Lord not to alter the chaos, because it had always existed.

As I mentioned in the match thread, these boards provide us with the opportunity to interact and talk about the concerns we have. And that's why I started the thread and why so many have responded. It's not really a matter of wanting Pep gone, it's, like you say, us wanting to talk about addressing the concerns. And there's many at the moment.

Well put, Beefy.

Agreed.

[failsworthblue]

The expectation is to high on here , we all new that the squad needs a major overhaul and in some areas that has been addressed , the frustrating area is the defence and it should have been the top priority.

This will be sorted but it is going to take some time , the tactics yesterday were bad and he will learn.