Original Dub wrote:Socrates wrote:Alex Sapphire wrote:Wooders wrote:I still "don't know" to be honest
He's inherited a team of very talented players but he says in interviews that he still hasn't got his message across in terms of how he wants them to play so I am prepared to give him a chance - blowing a golden opportunity to be in the top 4 won't stand him in good stead though
if his team's English is the same as his I'm not surprised. He looks more and more like ramos every time I see him
In what way does he remind you of Ramos? Do you mean that you think he is sufferring from massive interference from an incompetent director of football or do you mean that you think he will win a trophy?
Was that at Spurs or Real?
Did the director tell him Lennon was shit? Do you think they should have kept him?
Mancini is making me lose interest in city. I never ever thought I'd say that and I'm nowhere near giving up my support, but I'm honestly beginning to lose interest.
When Pearce had us playing the exact same football, I still had total support because we had such a weak squad and it was all in the name of survival in the premier league.
Completely underwhelmed and disillusioned. I shouldn't be, but I am.
After an quite long side look, I can reckon this is the only forum somehow interested in devising the matter at least trying to match passionate feelings with cool minds.
I'd like to assess my opinion starting from a quote of
Original Dub, who fairly represent the point of view opposite to mine: definitely customers have rights (paying fees twice with money and passion )and the latest displays had been
rending. Right enough to lose passion.
Now, let me please sum up and kindly help me to get my faults.
We have one of the european most reliable young managers with a record of success in every season he managed in what is not longer the best league but still the most difficult, being traditionally used to melt in pot the widest and most effective football cultures and schools, sometimes featuring the best players, currently just very good ones. Moreover, this man was widely reckoned to be a coach on the pitch when he was still playing alongside top players. His record include successfull handling of zoos worser than City (Inter is one of the most traditional european side, from one of the most demanding city and had spent billions euro without any achievement for about 30 years).
This guy is confortably sat on his couch with a € 8m/year (gross) contract in force with former employer for the next 2, looking quitely to the best forthcoming proposal, having surely declined a 3 years proposal from juventus last summer, a 4 years proposal from Zenit St. Pet. few early before Spalletti (another great one) appointment and having been rumoured about proposal at Italy international and RM (probable bullox) upon board disgruntment with Pellegrini.
Nice or not, the man is not an idiot and enjoys smart reletionships into English football like Sven Eriksson, David Platt, Liam Brady, Graham Souness, G. Zola, C. Ancelotti, G.L. Vialli; he also knows the England's manager albeit the two are cold each other since they were on the opposite stakes at time of Seria A match-fixing scandal. Definitely he went to PL with a proper picture of the City's mess and the opponents tactics and displays(including american football touch-downers). As well, coming from Italy, he would had been prepared to face some players' awareness of their incompatibility with the CL level, but perhaps he expected to be able to set up a block of best 14, without facing a continous fall of causalties.
The only problem he may not have foreseen is the inability of some proven top managers to get a working licence or a fair treatment from RM on a player which they sideline.
So, he is approached by the Good Sheik, who told him: look, gentleman I am wise wealthy investor. I got one of the finest English Clubs and I wanna turn It in a world dominant club. I have already established some top managers to build up a leading brand. I have no experience of football industry and, off course, I made some mistakes resulted in wasting about £ 250m in top teams' scraps. Sometimes You're lucky and scraps turn to be gold like Tevez. Do You think to be able to deliver a CL stage with an unbalanced roster of losers? Do You think to be able to handle some gifted children and show them the difference between play and job? In doing that You'll receive a limited financial support in the jan wind, as You agree with me, what we need to step further is not available in mid term business and also needs a CL qualification.
On this background do You actually think, Mates, that RM is such a moroon not to have asked for strict warranties of a fair opportunity? [/color]
Indeed, he is not a marketing scholar like Jose, as well he's neither a "best record blackburn 7th rockie" to run in a tricky bet against all odds. What's worth in throwing a well established reputation?
I don't know how many MI5 pundits post the forum, so perhaps someone may be well informed, but I'll be extremely surprised if, whether a dramatic fall to 6th won't occurur, RM wouldn't be provided a full season to show his football with his men and his pre-season fitness training.
Worth to add that, whether Mourinho would actually be released by his contract with Moratti, and where is largely arguable he might do any better than Mancio (as Chelsea will come close to confirm, even with the addition of E'eto, Milito, Snejider and Motta, i.r.o. the loss of Ibra) for sure would be more likely go to Liverpool, specially if they will sadly retain the CL spot: it is not arguable that Liverpool still have a backbone and City not yet.
Should I'd be wrong and Jose come, it won't be without a conctactual full authority on each and every football related matter and a full vallet of blank cheques: do You really see Chairman and CEO prepared to conceide it? In the case be also prepared to see again Given, Hart, Richards, Lescott, DJ, Kompany, Johnson(both) and Tevez (maybe Bellers and Ade) and the rest stripped the entrance badge to the training ground.
I see the point represented by Original Dub, it is real and sensed. I'd only disagree on the equation that because I paid a sheep 200m it should necessarily be Angiolina Jolie and I am not a stud if I am not able to f**k the sheep with the same passion I'd have to Angie... :-)
To be fair, imo, it's where You want to put the stake, Mate:
if You want an Everton/Birmingham level - you're totally right and might got entertained and retain that level with this stuff
if You want a top 4 level, You need to endeavour a little further effort of patience, over the last 30 years, sip tasteless soup for the next 3 months, effort all the best You can from Your Blue good humor, while showing the Team they are backed by an inconditionated support.
A little good lack would also be helpfull, to have Shay stopping a ball that he will stop 999/1000, to have Bellers out of pub's row, to have Carlito not side-tracked by serious family engagements, a less arsh treatment to City from SKY tv and, maybe, Ireland more focused on providing some 60' of his capability better than on "working hard with the fans at signing sessions" or on "caribbean fish tanks".
Would also suggest who fairly belives Mancini is a defensive minded, to put the latest games highlights in a file, send it to a coulple of Inter's Boys leaders and ask for their advice in replay.
This is just my fair opinion, I'd love to receive contradictory points.
