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Re: Football Media

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:02 am

Dimples wrote:Don't know how accurate the figs are but Nunez is supposedly on £100K a week with Diaz on £56K a week.
If accurate both are significantly underpaid compared to their transfer values of approx £85M and £40M and also what they could earn elsewhere. In addition Nunez is supposedly number 15 in the list of Liverpool top earners.
They are being hyped up as world class but being paid as average players.
If they deliver, it will not take long for them to start demanding pay packets that match their level of play.
More problems for Liverpool.


It's hard to believe that players who were in demand, would move for salaries like that. They also know that liverpool (allegedly) wont pay a huge amount when it comes to contract renewal. Something doesn't add up - there's absolutely no way in the world these guys are moving for less salary than they would have got at United (for example) all for the love of playing in front of the kop.

There must be some other guaranteed payments going on if these sorts of numbers are anywhere close to true - and liverpool are just playing the media with a reputation for financial stewardship that isn't really warranted

In the last deloitte survey I could find for 19/20, City at 351m total payroll, only marginally above liverpool at 326m, which makes you laugh at the notion of liverpool being a sustainably run club. If they are paying peanuts on salaries, then clearly they are paying massive incentives out. But if you dig a little deeper, they have a huge bunch of players on around 100k a week who hardly ever play. We had a squad of (I think) 17 last year, which is admittedly paper thin, but suggests that based on a similar wage bill, our approach of paying more but having less players appears to pay dividends when it comes to winning trophies.

This year by the way, the net spend league over 5 years (now countinho's out of the equation) makes very interesting reading - in fact once we've shipped a few out this summer, we will actually have a lower 5 year net spend than them.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dimples » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:53 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Dimples wrote:Don't know how accurate the figs are but Nunez is supposedly on £100K a week with Diaz on £56K a week.
If accurate both are significantly underpaid compared to their transfer values of approx £85M and £40M and also what they could earn elsewhere. In addition Nunez is supposedly number 15 in the list of Liverpool top earners.
They are being hyped up as world class but being paid as average players.
If they deliver, it will not take long for them to start demanding pay packets that match their level of play.
More problems for Liverpool.


It's hard to believe that players who were in demand, would move for salaries like that. They also know that liverpool (allegedly) wont pay a huge amount when it comes to contract renewal. Something doesn't add up - there's absolutely no way in the world these guys are moving for less salary than they would have got at United (for example) all for the love of playing in front of the kop.

There must be some other guaranteed payments going on if these sorts of numbers are anywhere close to true - and liverpool are just playing the media with a reputation for financial stewardship that isn't really warranted

In the last deloitte survey I could find for 19/20, City at 351m total payroll, only marginally above liverpool at 326m, which makes you laugh at the notion of liverpool being a sustainably run club. If they are paying peanuts on salaries, then clearly they are paying massive incentives out. But if you dig a little deeper, they have a huge bunch of players on around 100k a week who hardly ever play. We had a squad of (I think) 17 last year, which is admittedly paper thin, but suggests that based on a similar wage bill, our approach of paying more but having less players appears to pay dividends when it comes to winning trophies.

This year by the way, the net spend league over 5 years (now countinho's out of the equation) makes very interesting reading - in fact once we've shipped a few out this summer, we will actually have a lower 5 year net spend than them.


Yep, taking Nunez as an example.
Record signing, 6 year contract on half the wages VVD and Salah get and both MU and Newcastle were trying to get him. Both would have doubled that salary - minimum.
If that information is even close to being accurate, Liverpool are using some other mechanism to top up that £100K a week.

On net spend, that sounds like the end of the medias obsession with it. Either that or they start reporting a 6 year net spend......... :)
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Re: Football Media

Postby johnny crossan » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:44 am

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I have just watched the latest extended BBC news follow up on their documentary about Martin Hibbert, a Manchester bomb victim who climbed Kilimanjaro and planted a rag flag on top to raise funds for charity. Their news coverage started months ago in the stands of the swamp and culminated in congratulation videos from Ratboy etc. Today they had poet and long time United fan Tony Walsh in full flow. Martin Hibbert was a prominent critic of the Kerslake enquiry in 2018 and has been campaigning for spinal injuries ever since - all excellent work but I get the feeling this latest project has been another product of the massive rag social media team promoting their brand in cahoots with our national broadcaster, Sir Marcus Part 2 .
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Re: Football Media

Postby salford city » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:22 am

johnny crossan wrote:Image
I have just watched the latest extended BBC news follow up on their documentary about Martin Hibbert, a Manchester bomb victim who climbed Kilimanjaro and planted a rag flag on top to raise funds for charity. Their news coverage started months ago in the stands of the swamp and culminated in congratulation videos from Ratboy etc. Today they had poet and long time United fan Tony Walsh in full flow. Martin Hibbert was a prominent critic of the Kerslake enquiry in 2018 and has been campaigning for spinal injuries ever since - all excellent work but I get the feeling this latest project has been another product of the massive rag social media team promoting their brand in cahoots with our national broadcaster, Sir Marcus Part 2 .


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Re: Football Media

Postby salford city » Mon Jun 20, 2022 8:25 am

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johnny crossan wrote:Image
I have just watched the latest extended BBC news follow up on their documentary about Martin Hibbert, a Manchester bomb victim who climbed Kilimanjaro and planted a rag flag on top to raise funds for charity. Their news coverage started months ago in the stands of the swamp and culminated in congratulation videos from Ratboy etc. Today they had poet and long time United fan Tony Walsh in full flow. Martin Hibbert was a prominent critic of the Kerslake enquiry in 2018 and has been campaigning for spinal injuries ever since - all excellent work but I get the feeling this latest project has been another product of the massive rag social media team promoting their brand in cahoots with our national broadcaster, Sir Marcus Part 2 .


Fuck them fucking red vermin


Also to add anything to take the pain away from what the are witnessing on the pitch and over at our place. Long may it continue
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Re: Football Media

Postby Mase » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:14 am

Are they the new Liverpool? Turning a non-footballing tragedy into a United Tragedy? What the fuck have the rags got to do with the Manchester bombing and raising money for charities? Cunts.
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Re: Football Media

Postby Original Dub » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:56 am

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Re: Football Media

Postby salford city » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:17 am

Original Dub wrote:Wonderful propaganda

https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/f ... d-haaland/



Quadruple near miss fuck me what about the eurovision and the boat race were they nearly winners of those as well? You keep comparing. We will keep on reeling in the prem trophy
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Re: Football Media

Postby Dimples » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:08 pm

salford city wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Wonderful propaganda

https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/f ... d-haaland/



Quadruple near miss fuck me what about the eurovision and the boat race were they nearly winners of those as well? You keep comparing. We will keep on reeling in the prem trophy


Basically that article is saying that Liverpool cannot get their primary targets because they pay below the going rate.

Liverpool are hanging themselves.
Salah and Mane have been exceptional for years. Their reward: your getting old, we pay less than the going rate, no pay rise for you, your replacements are Diaz and Nunez, thanks for the memories, bye bye. Diaz and Nunez transfer fees are expensive, both on long term contracts, both are paid below the going rate.
Any player with choices is going to avoid that trap. It is another version of Levy at Spurs.

Nunez has been elevated to the same level as Haaland. They are written about as equals. Yet a year ago I did not know who Nunez was but I knew about Haaland long before that. Nunez has had two serious knee injuries, the PL is very demanding, Liverpool work their players very hard.............
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Re: Football Media

Postby Mase » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:11 pm

Dimples wrote:
salford city wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Wonderful propaganda

https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/f ... d-haaland/



Quadruple near miss fuck me what about the eurovision and the boat race were they nearly winners of those as well? You keep comparing. We will keep on reeling in the prem trophy


Basically that article is saying that Liverpool cannot get their primary targets because they pay below the going rate.

Liverpool are hanging themselves.
Salah and Mane have been exceptional for years. Their reward: your getting old, we pay less than the going rate, no pay rise for you, your replacements are Diaz and Nunez, thanks for the memories, bye bye. Diaz and Nunez transfer fees are expensive, both on long term contracts, both are paid below the going rate.
Any player with choices is going to avoid that trap. It is another version of Levy at Spurs.

Nunez has been elevated to the same level as Haaland. They are written about as equals. Yet a year ago I did not know who Nunez was but I knew about Haaland long before that. Nunez has had two serious knee injuries, the PL is very demanding, Liverpool work their players very hard.............


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Re: Football Media

Postby Original Dub » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:40 pm

Totally agree Dimples.

This whole "isn't it exciting that nunez and haaland are joining the league" is hilarious

Who the fuck is nunez and what has he done to elevate himself into the bracket of greatest striker on the planet?
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Re: Football Media

Postby Mase » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:43 pm

Original Dub wrote:Totally agree Dimples.

This whole "isn't it exciting that nunez and haaland are joining the league" is hilarious

Who the fuck is nunez and what has he done to elevate himself into the bracket of greatest striker on the planet?


He’s the new Forlan, Suarez, Cavani apparently :lol:
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Re: Football Media

Postby Original Dub » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:29 pm

Can only imagine if it was the other way around.

Haaland would be on ssn on the hour every hour wearing a justice for the 97 Jersey (strange maths in dipperland, they dropped the 19 for some reason)
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Re: Football Media

Postby nottsblue » Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:24 pm

Original Dub wrote:Can only imagine if it was the other way around.

Haaland would be on ssn on the hour every hour wearing a justice for the 97 Jersey (strange maths in dipperland, they dropped the 19 for some reason)

They would have already given the dippers the trophy and declared him the bestest player in the whole wide world
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Re: Football Media

Postby branny » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:10 pm

salford city wrote:
Original Dub wrote:Wonderful propaganda

https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/f ... d-haaland/



Quadruple near miss fuck me what about the eurovision and the boat race were they nearly winners of those as well? You keep comparing. We will keep on reeling in the prem trophy


The reality is that they got a game closer than we did the season before. We were handicapped by having the Carabao Cup final moved to the middle of what was already an horrendous run.

14/4 Dortmund away
17/4 Chavs FA Cup semi
21/4 Villa away
25/4 Spurs LCF
28/4 PSG away
1/5 Palace away
4/5 PSG home
8/5 Chavs home.

Dippers run over same period last season

13/4 Benfica home
16/4 FA cup semi
19/4 Utd home
24/4 Scouse 1 home
27/4 Villareal home
30/4 Newcastle away
3/5 Villareal away
7/5 Spurs home.

5 home games to our 2. They wouldn't have gotten close if they'd had a run like ours.
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Re: Football Media

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:46 pm

If my aunt had bollocks she would be my Uncle ffs!!!

You either win or you don't fuckign win...........and the fuckign dippers didn't win it.

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Re: Football Media

Postby Original Dub » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:17 pm

My God.

It's like we played in the premier league and they played in the championship for the run in.

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Re: Football Media

Postby zuricity » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:00 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:If my aunt had bollocks she would be my Uncle ffs!!!

You either win or you don't fuckign win...........and the fuckign dippers didn't win it.

End of.


Actually Carl , your Auntie would never have bollocks. If she did , the first thing that would be asked is "why are you playing pocket billiards Auntie?".

Again Carl, The Dippers did win , what film were you watching ? they won this season , last season and even in the Covid season.
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Re: Football Media

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:02 am

zuricity wrote:
carl_feedthegoat wrote:If my aunt had bollocks she would be my Uncle ffs!!!

You either win or you don't fuckign win...........and the fuckign dippers didn't win it.

End of.


Actually Carl , your Auntie would never have bollocks. If she did , the first thing that would be asked is "why are you playing pocket billiards Auntie?".

Again Carl, The Dippers did win , what film were you watching ? they won this season , last season and even in the Covid season.


It is pathetic isn't it.

I had a chat with a dipper the other day and ended up telling him to fuck off...you just cannot have a decent conversation with a deluded dipper who still believes the Coutinho sale was 500 million pounds and they will always have a net spend of one euro till the year dot.!!

Last time I speak to a fucking dipper....period.
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Re: Football Media

Postby john68 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:42 am

Some years ago, whilst helping someone to write a 'History Of City', The then City curator Bernard Miles allowed us access to a number of City documents, amongst which was a dissertation on the financial strategies of football clubs compared to other non sport businesses.

We were able to see the figures regarding the actual transfer fees of Colin Bell, Mike Summerbee and Francis Lee. I was gobsmacked that the actual transfer fees bore no resemblance whatsoever to the figures reported publicly and generally accepted by everyone.

When I questioned Mr Miles about this, he told me that it was general policy throughout football not to reveal transfer fees nor their details to the media. He told us that the media usually considered the probable value of the player, the circumstances of the sale and settled on a figure they believed would be as near as they could guess.

Neither Bell, Summerbee nor Lee were bought for the figures that are commonly reported and accepted, in fac,theyare all quite a long way off.
I don't suppose that much has changed and I usually totally ignore figures reported around transfers as made up fairy stories to satisfy the media agenda and fill their reportage space.
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