Dunne's Half-Time Pint wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Dunne's Half-Time Pint wrote:You're just saying words with no regard for the facts - an absurd series of statements.
Facts? Football if game of opinions and I see all sorts here about the players we support, never mind players of other clubs. You'd prefer Rio Ferdinand to Joleon Lescott. I don't. There are managers and owners and players and supporters who'd agree with you and there'd be some who'd agree with me.
Why would you even bother comparing our last season's performances with the players we had last season to rags team in same period of time, I will never know. We have spend hundreds of millions since and cleared some deadwood in process so the spine of the team that started this season is completely different to one that ended last season. And you can see that from results.
And then you say that you'd prefer Fletcher and Carrick over Ireland and Barry and what little case you were building there went straight out of the window. That is one of the most bizarre statements I've ever read here and there have been many good competitors for that title.
It's a game of league positions and trophies. It's a game of points and RESULTS. all of these things are facts.
I detailed what we'd spent our hundreds of millions on - 4th, 5th ,6th and a rag substitute - you've ignored it.
And I don't think we can see all that much from 4 results (one league cup) any more than I did last season!
Here's some more facts - you can think they are a biazrre coincidence, a freak occurrence, a quirk of fate - presumably you think they fly in the face of all you know to be true, but they are the facts:
Fletcher: * Premier League (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
* FA Cup (1): 2003–04
* Football League Cup (1): 2005–06
* FA Community Shield (3): 2003, 2007, 2008
* UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Carrick: * Premier League (3): 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
* FA Community Shield (2): 2007, 2008
* UEFA Champions League (1): 2007–08
* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008
Barry: Intertoto Cup Winners 2001
Ireland:................
Do I wish our players had those sorts of honours: YES
Do I think it's delusional to talk of our players as better until they've done anything, anything at all, to prove it: certainly.
and to be absolutely clear - I don't think there is a single manager or pundit in World football who would prefer Lescott to Rio. not one.
So would it also not be delusional to talk about Fletcher & Carrick as being better unless you could compare them playing in sides of the calibre of City & Villa or does it only work one way ie; your way? Did the contribution of Ronaldo & Tevez not affect those records & are you sure Barry/Ireland wouldn't have won those trophies if they'd been playing in place of Fletcher & Carrick in that side? Will they be as successful without Ronaldo & Tevez & with Giggs/Scholes on their last legs? Or perhaps you think the current Utd side is just as strong?