Ade in trouble? [merged]

[ronk]

Steve Clarridge was sensible on 5 Live tonight.
1) As a young striker he was taught to respond to scything, potentially painful tackles, by riding them and sort of fail to avoid landing on the defender as he fell.
2) Ade was obviously extremely wound up by Arsenal fans last season (he scored 23 goals for them apparantly, and still got abused ), so when he got his own back by scoring he decided to rub it in. A bit silly perhaps, but understandable. The hate on Arse fans faces towards Ade seemed to shock him (SC) somewhat.
3) The business of Ade flirting with other clubs to get a big move - well, professional players are always on the look-out for a better deal, so what.
4) The official who spoke on 5Live on Sunday seemed to have made his mind up before any inquiry. Not good.

Much as I love Arsenal's play, I can't abide this holier than thou feeling that they seem to spread. Allowing Van P to use the official web site to make comments such as his officially sanctioned statement is highly unusual. Players are generally encouraged to use more unofficial channels to get their point across. All in all, the controversy has allowed the attention to be diverted away from the fact that they got badly beaten, and last years failings have not been erased.

I've said it before - the cartel that has been the top 4 is being upset by us. We're pissing in their soup and they don't like it. Any excuse will be magnified and used against us. So, I would expect another few more such frenzies.

Don't forget though, we're not here to fight off alligators, we're here to drain the swamp.

The statement was put out through van Persie's own website and was done while he was on the bus back to London. Clearly, it was not written upon mature reflection and it demonstrates the spiteful nature of van Persie.

[Wooders]

just watched the game again and in the buildup to that moment Ade had been hurled to the floor by Gallas, had a lump taken out of him by Song, had several other attempts to scythe him down avoided by nimble feet and then had to contend with RVP attempting to remove his knee from its socket with a dreadful tackle that should have earned him a card - if Ade did retaliate, he pleads innocence but it does look slightly on purpose on the replays - then you can hardly blame him

[Jammie Dodger]

Garth Crooks on BBC Breakfast has just stuck up for Ade's celebration.
To summerise, he said that the level of abuse he suffered in the game was shocking and what else can a player do.
When he was asked should Ade receive punishment for his OTT celebration, Crooks said that the ref took action and booked him

[Kiss_The_Goat]

just watched the game again and in the buildup to that moment Ade had been hurled to the floor by Gallas, had a lump taken out of him by Song, had several other attempts to scythe him down avoided by nimble feet and then had to contend with RVP attempting to remove his knee from its socket with a dreadful tackle that should have earned him a card - if Ade did retaliate, he pleads innocence but it does look slightly on purpose on the replays - then you can hardly blame him

Yeh he was getting a kicking all game as well as verbal abuse no doubt and was not protected by the ref. I'd have done exactly the same as would the majority of footballers in that challenge. I really cant believe how much this has been blown out of proportion. I'd say both Scholes' and Dickson Ethuhu's challenges were worse this weekend and yet nothing mentioned anywhere. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

[Beefymcfc]

Anyone got any idea what time the verdict will be announced?

[Slim]

Anyone got any idea what time the verdict will be announced?

They need to formally charge him by 6pm tonight.

[Alex Sapphire]

Anyone got any idea what time the verdict will be announced?

didnt think they'd announced charges yet.
If they're going to do anything about the v Persie tangle, they will have to announce charges today (before 5?)

If they are going to do anything about the goal celebration, they will need to use some obscure rule like "bringing the game into disrepute" and there is not the same time limit on announcing charges

[feedthegreek]

richard scudamore as said adebayor as brought shame on the premier league.
i reckon 6 matches, their really gunning for us.

[john@staustell]

Then Richard Scudamore is either a fool or blatantly anti-City. Like it or not those actions made the weekends biggest game enormous, flashed it round the world everywhere - 'it all happens in the PL' sort of thing. All of which helps his long-stated aims of marketing the League to any foreigner with a dollar in his pocket.

As a supposedly impartial chairman he should shut his bloody mouth until any outcome, and I hope our lawyers are prepared for this blatant influencing of a disciplinary panel.

[edge275]

richard scudamore as said adebayor as brought shame on the premier league.
i reckon 6 matches, their really gunning for us.

What did he say when the panorama football bungs program was announced?

Any shame on Premier League then?

Scudamore is talking shite. This has everyone talking about the Premier League (unjustifiably in my opinion) and he should know any news is good news.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

Anyone got any idea what time the verdict will be announced?

They need to formally charge him by 6pm tonight.

Fingers crossed they forget lol so if it gets past 6pm they cant do any thing about it right?

[Dameerto]

i sincerely hope that City don't punish Ade for his celebration. i think it would be really really poor form to fine him or punish him unless there is some handshake agreement with the FA which would limit any ban he might face if we take some internal action. Only then would i approve of it.

Hughes is on record backing Ade over the celebration so I wouldnt expect any punishment from the club over it - or for the incident with VP since Ade says it wasnt intentional (and it comes down to proving intent again)

[Ted Hughes]

I wouldn't really have a problem with him receiving a ban for the 'stamp' 1) if they ban everyone else for similar offences 2) If he was actually guilty.

I'm certain that if this was a legal case & the video evidence could be put in front of a jury, City would be able to prove that Ade didn't change the angle of his foot to purposely catch VP & therefore he wouldn't be found guilty. I fear that the panel will ignore that evidence & just use the slomo clip that I originally saw which makes it look deliberate & find him guilty because they're under pressure to do so. Also in a legal case, the spouting off by various officials before the hearing would mean he couldn't get a fair trial.

[john@staustell]

All this is true but 'fair trials' and 'evidence' dont come into play in this country's football. We'd have to take them to the court of arbitration for sport, which I doubt we can on this.

The FA and PL just do what they feel like.

[Martinez]

richard scudamore as said adebayor as brought shame on the premier league.
i reckon 6 matches, their really gunning for us.

What an idiot, keeps saying how this is bad for the "brand", and this is not what he wants to read about in the paper. Obviously he's unaware of the fact that football is not yet totally taken over by commercialism and is still very much about player- supporter emotion. If you took that away, you'd soon be unable to read about "the brand" in the paper at all, twat

[Beefymcfc]

Cheers fella's. Just seen on SSN that he has to be charged and punishment issued by CoP today. We then have until tomorrow to appeal with evidence and then the appeal is heard on Thursday (unwitnessed). And by the sounds of it, if the appeal fails, Ade would definately not play on Sunday!

I don't think I'll be holding my breath with this one. Minimum 3 match ban I think for the touch on VP (cannot really go any higher than for violent conduct) and a caution and fine for the celebration. And, I think this has already been put to the club who will be left with no alternative but to accept it, otherwise other/longer sanctions will be sought.

[david yearsley]

Agree with Ted about using the slow -mo - this worries me but I would hope the real time footage is shown in any appeal. Talking of appeal, this morning I find myself incensed at some of the stuff I´m hearing from so called "respected" figures in the game. Peter Scudamore. Yes , the man who would sell our clubs down the river to play a 39th game in asia just to line his already burgeoning wallet talks of the "shame" brought upon the P.L. by the Ade incident. Mr. Scudmissile , WHO THE FUCL ARE YOU TO TALK ABOUT SHAME!? Secondly, were you at the fuclin match? Did you see the incidents more clearly than the ref? I suggest you stick your head right back up your rectum where it´s normally situated - YOU ad YOU ALONE are the disgrace in English football - just ask fans from ANY P.L. club what they think of people like you.
Next what is seemingly about to be the kangaroo court sitting in process at the F.A. Yesterday Eduardo had his 2 match ban rescinded and whatever you think about that case at least UEFA gave Arsenal the right of appeal and due process in which to deal with it. Here in the worlds oldest democracy the F.A. are hell bent , for whatever motives , (and I think we can guess why!) on allowing 24 hours to mount an appeal . 24 FUCLIN HOURS!!!!!! Lads and lasses, 24 hours is what people in North Korea get to appeal before they are shot. Surely if the F.A. take this approach then we can cite the Eduardo case and take legal proceedings against these dictators.
Finally, trial by media. If we are going to have it then it should be used in every single game and a panel created to pore over every fuclin incident, not just used to pick on individuals because the media has deemed them to be public enemy no.1 due to their insidious and nefarious hidden agendas. Consistency nd justice are all the majority of fans crave - end of.

Can someone please complain to the P.L. over Scudmissile´s scandalous remarks? I´m afraid couldn´t hold back

Oh and while I´m at it if there´s to be any plea bargaining I´d say yes , but to come into force AFTER Sunday - take it or fuclin leave it!!

[Original Dub]

I've mentioned it before but if Clattenburg tells the FA he didn't see the incident, I'll fucking snap. He is on video looking directly at the incident, with nothing blocking his view from only feet away. He made a decision by letting play continue and if that stands for nothing then the game is fucked already.

[john@staustell]

Gordon Taylor showed uncharacteristic sense by making a speech about the referee making decisions in matches, not panelists afterwards, or the panel would sit every day on something or other. The booking dealt with the Arsenal cry-babies incident and the ref didn't deem the RVP/Ade clash as worthy of stopping the game.

[Dameerto]

here we go - SSN reporting violent conduct and improper conduct, charges by the FA for the two incidents. Hopefully we will appeal.