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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby Scatman » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:40 pm

Rag_hater wrote:According to CNN the Yanks are taking 100,000 fans.
More than any other nation so far


are they not called troops?
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby Slim » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:58 pm

They are aware it doesn't start till June right?
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby Bingo Lewis » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:40 pm

I personally think we shouldn't be seperated into continental groups to qualify for the world cup.
They should just randomly draw 20ish groups for qualification, and the best ones get in. if you get an easy group its the luck of the draw. I'm easy either way on seeded countries for said groups.
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby Tokyo Blue » Thu Oct 15, 2009 6:50 pm

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The first string are almost completely foreign based ... with the exception of donovan I believe. He has the skill (though overrated) to make it in a bigger league, but not the mentality at all. It's disappointing to say the least.

the second string are pretty much all home-league based. That being said, anyone with any ambition/talent wants to get out of the mls as soon as possible ... or atleast should want to in my opinion. I think one reason why freddy adu "flopped" though he's still only 20(?) is that he stayed in the mls so long ... and started so young. He was starting in the MLS when he was 14. Should have been at a big club being developed by top coaches. Thankfully Altidore has left sooner, and has a decent chance of unlearning all the shit he learned in MLS from shit coaches.

edit: most GK's who have a realistic shot of starting are foreign based (Howard, Guzan, etc ...)

Why not bring in top foreign coaches and let your players learn from them, then become better coaches themselves? The J-League, while far from the ideal role model, did similar and the first set of retiring players who played under coaches like Zico, Osim and Stojkovic are beginning to seep in to coaching jobs. It will take them time to rise up the ladder here, what with seniority being such a big thing, but it will be intriguing to see how it pans out.

Are there any up-and-coming younger managers in the American game? What is Claudio Reyna doing these days? With his European experience, he is just the kind of man who should be moving into coaching, I feel. It would be sad if all that experience is lost to the American game in the same way as that wannabe-intellectual knobhead Hidetoshi Nakata is contributing nothing whatsoever to the country or the game that made him a star.
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby kinkylola » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:06 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:
kinkylola wrote:
The first string are almost completely foreign based ... with the exception of donovan I believe. He has the skill (though overrated) to make it in a bigger league, but not the mentality at all. It's disappointing to say the least.

the second string are pretty much all home-league based. That being said, anyone with any ambition/talent wants to get out of the mls as soon as possible ... or atleast should want to in my opinion. I think one reason why freddy adu "flopped" though he's still only 20(?) is that he stayed in the mls so long ... and started so young. He was starting in the MLS when he was 14. Should have been at a big club being developed by top coaches. Thankfully Altidore has left sooner, and has a decent chance of unlearning all the shit he learned in MLS from shit coaches.

edit: most GK's who have a realistic shot of starting are foreign based (Howard, Guzan, etc ...)

Why not bring in top foreign coaches and let your players learn from them, then become better coaches themselves? The J-League, while far from the ideal role model, did similar and the first set of retiring players who played under coaches like Zico, Osim and Stojkovic are beginning to seep in to coaching jobs. It will take them time to rise up the ladder here, what with seniority being such a big thing, but it will be intriguing to see how it pans out.

Are there any up-and-coming younger managers in the American game? What is Claudio Reyna doing these days? With his European experience, he is just the kind of man who should be moving into coaching, I feel. It would be sad if all that experience is lost to the American game in the same way as that wannabe-intellectual knobhead Hidetoshi Nakata is contributing nothing whatsoever to the country or the game that made him a star.


I would love to see that ... i just don't think there is money in the american game at this moment to bring in top anything. I don't know what reyna is doing, but he hasn't been involved with the us game at any level as far as I can tell.
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:41 am

kinkylola wrote:
Tokyo Blue wrote:
kinkylola wrote:
The first string are almost completely foreign based ... with the exception of donovan I believe. He has the skill (though overrated) to make it in a bigger league, but not the mentality at all. It's disappointing to say the least.

the second string are pretty much all home-league based. That being said, anyone with any ambition/talent wants to get out of the mls as soon as possible ... or atleast should want to in my opinion. I think one reason why freddy adu "flopped" though he's still only 20(?) is that he stayed in the mls so long ... and started so young. He was starting in the MLS when he was 14. Should have been at a big club being developed by top coaches. Thankfully Altidore has left sooner, and has a decent chance of unlearning all the shit he learned in MLS from shit coaches.

edit: most GK's who have a realistic shot of starting are foreign based (Howard, Guzan, etc ...)

Why not bring in top foreign coaches and let your players learn from them, then become better coaches themselves? The J-League, while far from the ideal role model, did similar and the first set of retiring players who played under coaches like Zico, Osim and Stojkovic are beginning to seep in to coaching jobs. It will take them time to rise up the ladder here, what with seniority being such a big thing, but it will be intriguing to see how it pans out.

Are there any up-and-coming younger managers in the American game? What is Claudio Reyna doing these days? With his European experience, he is just the kind of man who should be moving into coaching, I feel. It would be sad if all that experience is lost to the American game in the same way as that wannabe-intellectual knobhead Hidetoshi Nakata is contributing nothing whatsoever to the country or the game that made him a star.


I would love to see that ... i just don't think there is money in the american game at this moment to bring in top anything. I don't know what reyna is doing, but he hasn't been involved with the us game at any level as far as I can tell.


regardless of the coaching until someone convinces inner city kids of any ethnicity to start playing futsal or football at some level then the game in the US will always be third or fourth rate due to lack of talent. And, no, Beckham can't make anything like that happen by any stretch of the imagination. It would take a massive injection of African, Black, Hispanic and South American stars to come into America and setup camps, clinics and organizations in some major US cities to move the needle on the game here.

you have to have the talent that can be world-class to allow the coaching to really make a difference.

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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby Michigan Blue » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:26 am

DoomMerchant wrote:regardless of the coaching until someone convinces inner city kids of any ethnicity to start playing futsal or football at some level then the game in the US will always be third or fourth rate due to lack of talent. And, no, Beckham can't make anything like that happen by any stretch of the imagination. It would take a massive injection of African, Black, Hispanic and South American stars to come into America and setup camps, clinics and organizations in some major US cities to move the needle on the game here.


Good point. Whereas around the world football is predominantly seen as a game of the poor and working class, over here it is considered a game played by upper-middle class white kids. That's changing, but there is a long way to go.

At some point we also need to produce our own world star to establish the possibility of stardom for young athletes here. Right now basketball and American football are the obvious routes to quick athletic success. Baseball, and the years of toiling in the minor leagues, has fallen out of favor with the urban poor. I imagine football (the kind played with your feet) is still not even on the radar in most inner cities.
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby razor400 » Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:22 am

Scatman wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:According to CNN the Yanks are taking 100,000 fans.
More than any other nation so far


are they not called troops?



I didn't think that many Americans had Passports.
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:18 am

razor400 wrote:
Scatman wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:According to CNN the Yanks are taking 100,000 fans.
More than any other nation so far


are they not called troops?



I didn't think that many Americans had Passports.


we don't. it's probably loads of foreigners.
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Re: Come on you Septics

Postby ronk » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:45 pm

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Postby Michigan Blue » Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:07 am

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Nice little gesture by the club.
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