Wonderwall wrote:Twobob wrote:Wonderwall wrote:are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?
Yes mate, so whats going wrong against 'lesser' teams (were we're lucky to get a draw) and get torn a new asshole by a 4th spot pretender?
its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.
9secondlegend wrote:this is exactly like when the cunt took over. he is slowly but surley turning good players into bad ones.
Twobob wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Twobob wrote:Wonderwall wrote:are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?
Yes mate, so whats going wrong against 'lesser' teams (were we're lucky to get a draw) and get torn a new asshole by a 4th spot pretender?
its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.
I'm just finding it more and more difficult to come up with any defense now though, I was in the Give hughes time etc bullshit 'camps' that grew arround the place, and he has my support as current manager of my club but finding it so hard to defend descisions and I find myself swaying from one side of the pendulum to the other now!
I dont know what the answer is and never will and can only give my feelings - going back with KK and Pearce, loved them both and wanted them to stay and be a success but eventually even I had to admit that things were not right - I'm starting to get to that ugly place again and I dont like it there - If we were at the bottom of the league then it would be easy but we're not - If Hughes does well we do well simple as that, but the little voices in my head are saying that at the end of the day if the 11 on the pitch aren't putting in the commitment its his and his teams job to make sure they do or play players that will.
Twobob wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Twobob wrote:Wonderwall wrote:are these the same players that beat chelsea in an awesome performance just over a week ago?
Yes mate, so whats going wrong against 'lesser' teams (were we're lucky to get a draw) and get torn a new asshole by a 4th spot pretender?
its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.
I'm just finding it more and more difficult to come up with any defense now though, I was in the Give hughes time etc bullshit 'camps' that grew arround the place, and he has my support as current manager of my club but finding it so hard to defend descisions and I find myself swaying from one side of the pendulum to the other now!
I dont know what the answer is and never will and can only give my feelings - going back with KK and Pearce, loved them both and wanted them to stay and be a success but eventually even I had to admit that things were not right - I'm starting to get to that ugly place again and I dont like it there - If we were at the bottom of the league then it would be easy but we're not - If Hughes does well we do well simple as that, but the little voices in my head are saying that at the end of the day if the 11 on the pitch aren't putting in the commitment its his and his teams job to make sure they do or play players that will.
Bluez wrote:johnpb78 wrote:Sorry mate, I cannot accept the view that you put forward, that he "turned the season" round after xmas last year, as though he is completely absolved from blame for being in the bottom 3 on xmas day in the first place. It was only turned round because his team were so fucking shite in the first half, so it would have been hard NOT to have a better 2nd half of the season.
The fact was we should never have been in the predicament we were at xmas. We are now seeing a carbon copy of what happened last year, managers have worked out how to play against us, the results slowly slide firstly into mediocrity, then into farce.
This season, we have proven quality defenders who mysteriously have forgotten how to defend - as we did last season
This season, we have a team who sometimes look like they dont give a fuck - as we did last season
The quality of player who doesnt give a fuck, and the quality of the defenders who have become shite is significantly higher, thus questions have to be asked of the one who calls the shots - the manager who controls selection, training and tactics.
I never said we weren't absolute shite 1st half of the season, I just mentioned we did better points wise in the second half than we did in the first half.
johnpb78 wrote:The point is that he shouldnt be credited for "turning the season round" when we should never, ever have been in a predicament where it damned well needed turning around to avoid relegation. Last year many put it down to players attitudes, poor quality players etc etc, but here we are again - the same problems, different players, different year, same manager.
Wonderwall wrote:It is a frustrating season with the draws and the missed opportunities, however, this topsy turvy season is not even half way yet and there are lots more surprises to come. Some of the media are saying it was a 6 pointer and that we are hard pushed to get that 4th spot. Typical over reaction that you expect from the media circus that lie in wait every game. I wonder if any of the Arsenal fans are campaigning to get Wenger out? They are seriously unpredictable.
Lost to the rags 102
lost to us 2-4
drew with west ham after being 2-0 up
lost to sunderland 0-1
lost to chelsea 0-3
lost to us again 0-3
drew with burnley after being 1-0 up
yet they beat other teams by high scores, they have had scores of 6-1, 4-1, 4-0, 6-2, 3-0 and 4-1 as well as other 1-0 and 2-0 scorelines.
What happens then?dazby wrote:He got us in a cup semi. He's got the job til that campaign finishes.
Wonderwall wrote:its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.
King Kev wrote:Wonderwall wrote:its called consistency at a high level and we just dont have it. Its not 1 mans fault its several of them that need a good kicking. I dont care what tactics and formation hughes employs, the 11 that wear the shirt should give 100%. There is no excuse for not trying.
Let's hope our manager is capable of giving them that kicking then.
King Kev wrote:Odds On The Next Prem Manager To Leave His Club (Paddy Power)
McCarthy 25/1
Allardyce 25/1
Benitez 14/1
Zola 10/1
Brown 11/2
Megson 11/2
hughes 1/4
It seems that it's more a matter of 'when' than 'if'.
Beefymcfc wrote:Didn't know whether to put this in the match thread or in here, so I chose the latter as it is more about Hughes position. For me it's a very good article that seems to echo my views and I've highlighted a couple of bits that I was unaware of, but pleased to here.
Hughes let down by City slackers
Oliver Kay Football Correspondent
If the raised voices in the Manchester City dressing room at White Hart Lane spoke of a team heading for the rocks, Mark Hughes will quietly spell out the need for more reinforcements and stronger personalities when he meets Khaldoon al-Mubarak, the club’s chairman, this weekend for discussions that will shape his future.
Hughes’s position as City manager is not under immediate threat, but, after a damaging sequence of one win in the past ten Barclays Premier League matches, a drastic improvement will be needed if he is to persuade al-Mubarak and Sheikh Mansour, the owner, to persevere with him next season rather than attempt to lure a more proven coach, such as José Mourinho or Guus Hiddink, to the City of Manchester Stadium.
City have spent more than £200 million on new players since Mansour bought the club in September 2008 and after an impressive start to the new campaign, their new-look team have slipped into alarming habits. Driven to distraction by Robinho, increasingly concerned by the form of Kolo Touré and Emmanuel Adebayor and unnerved by an injury crisis that will deprive him of Joleon Lescott and Wayne Bridge until the end of January, Hughes is desperate to reinforce his defence and midfield, and to add more leadership to a squad that has lost its way over the past two months.
Hughes is looking for stronger personalities in his squad and, for all the longer-term plans to entice Yaya Touré from Barcelona and Franck Ribéry from Bayern Munich, his targets for the January transfer window will be more prosaic. While the manager has looked far and wide in search of a left back, targets closer to home may include Brede Hangeland, the Fulham defender, Scott Parker, the West Ham U***d midfield player, and possibly even David Bentley, the winger who is out of favour at Tottenham Hotspur.
The departures of Kolo Touré and Adebayor on international duty this month, to represent Ivory Coast and Togo respectively in the African Cup of Nations, will stretch Hughes’s resources throughout January, but the former Arsenal pair felt the force of Hughes’s and at least one player’s ire in the dressing room after the 3-0 defeat by Tottenham on Wednesday night. Touré was culpable for Tottenham’s second goal, scored by Jermain Defoe, and Adebayor coasted through the game, as he has done on several occasions since returning from a three-match suspension in October.
Gareth Barry, the midfield player, said that the atmosphere among the City players was tense at White Hart Lane. “It was a more disappointed dressing room because of the way we lost,” he said. “There were a lot of hurt players in there and the lads were really at each other’s throats. We are desperate to put things right.”
Hughes is understood to have welcomed the slanging match, given that a similarly frank exchange of views in the dressing room last month, after the 1-1 draw at home to Hull City, was followed by victories over Arsenal, in the Carling Cup, and against Chelsea.
City need a similar reaction at home to Sunderland tomorrow — and, beyond that, at home to Stoke City on Boxing Day and away to Wolverhampton Wanderers two days later — to improve the mood before the FA Cup third-round tie away to Middlesbrough on January 2 and the eagerly awaited Carling Cup semi-final, first leg at home to Manchester U***d four days later.
For all that their form has been disappointing, though, City remain on course for the top-six finish that al-Mubarak cited as their pre-season target. Privately, Hughes has discussed the prospect of Champions League qualification with his players and the board, but even that ambition remains firmly within reach, with City six points behind Aston Villa, who are fourth, having played one game more.
“Christmas is a massive time,” Barry said. “There are a lot of games in a short space of time, so the chance is there to propel yourself up the league. Our desire to make the top four is stronger than ever.”
Manchester City have asked about the future of Guus Hiddink, according to the Russia manager's representative.
Current Eastlands boss Mark Hughes is under increasing pressure after his side slipped to eighth in the Premier League following Wednesday's defeat at Tottenham.
City were comfortably beaten 3-0 by Spurs at White Hart Lane to cast doubts over their top-four credentials and the security of their manager's job.
Hiddink, alongside Roberto Mancini and Jose Mourinho, has been installed among the favourites to replace Hughes if City owner Sheikh Mansour decides to act
And the Dutchman's agent, Cees Van Nieuwenhuizen, told the Daily Telegraph when asked if he has spoken to the English club's chief executive Garry Cook: "Yes, I did.
"But Guus is happy with Russia. Definitely. I had a call because I have been working with Garry for 12 years since we worked together at Nike.
Discuss
"But I have received calls from all over the world about Guus. There has also been an approach from Juventus.
"He (Cook) asked me if it would be worthwhile having a meeting to discuss the future and what might happen next summer. But I told him that Guus was contracted to Russia.
"I said I didn't think it was worth having a meeting. Guus is very relaxed. He starts his holiday tomorrow and in January there are elections for a new president for the Russian Federation.
"He is contracted until next summer but there is an offer for him to stay for two more years, and I think he will definitely stay."
Van Nieuwenhuizen claims City did not go into detail regarding a potential role for Hiddink, adding: "I don't know because I said it was not worth discussing it because Guus was happy."
Reports suggest Hiddink, who performed excellently in guiding Chelsea to an FA Cup win as interim manager in the second half of last season, is prepared to consider his future in February.
Wonderwall wrote:I see sky are creating bollox about nothing to try and unsettle CityManchester City have asked about the future of Guus Hiddink, according to the Russia manager's representative.
Current Eastlands boss Mark Hughes is under increasing pressure after his side slipped to eighth in the Premier League following Wednesday's defeat at Tottenham.
City were comfortably beaten 3-0 by Spurs at White Hart Lane to cast doubts over their top-four credentials and the security of their manager's job.
Hiddink, alongside Roberto Mancini and Jose Mourinho, has been installed among the favourites to replace Hughes if City owner Sheikh Mansour decides to act
And the Dutchman's agent, Cees Van Nieuwenhuizen, told the Daily Telegraph when asked if he has spoken to the English club's chief executive Garry Cook: "Yes, I did. (Beefy Edit) We talk all the time, but we did not talk about Guus, why would we?
Interviewer: Simple, because City want Guus as their manager.
"But Guus is happy with Russia. Definitely. I had a call because I have been working with Garry for 12 years since we worked together at Nike.
Discuss
"But I have received calls from all over the world about Guus. There has also been an approach from Juventus.
"He (Jean-Claude) asked me if it would be worthwhile having a meeting to discuss the future and what might happen next summer. But I told him that Guus was contracted to Russia.
"I said I didn't think it was worth having a meeting. Guus is very relaxed. He starts his holiday tomorrow and in January there are elections for a new president for the Russian Federation.
"He is contracted until next summer but there is an offer for him to stay for two more years, and I think he will definitely stay."
Van Nieuwenhuizen claims City did not go into detail regarding a potential role for Hiddink, adding: "I don't know because I said it was not worth discussing it because Guus was happy."
Reports suggest Hiddink, who performed excellently in guiding Chelsea to an FA Cup win as interim manager in the second half of last season, is prepared to consider his future in February.
dikdik wrote:Surely it's the job of the manager to direct and motivate the players!? If they're not puttin in a shift then they're not being motivated.
In any organisation if the job is not being done then the manager takes the blame ultimately.
Or have I missed something?
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