Dazzacity wrote:Im forever stickin up for Robbie. Im also havin to remind people that he has been out injured for months!! But saying that I think it was obviuose none of the Brazillians got along with Hughes. Heck!!! Id even take Elano back now Hughes has gone!! But I can understand people gettin pissed off with Robbie as he really doesnt look too interested. Im sure Mancini can get him going again.
I also feel a little sorry for Ade and think he has been given a hard time. He plays upfront on his own and Hughes expected the wide players (Tevez,SWP,Robbie.Bellamy) to do everything!! track back,play wide,help out in centre mid and on top of that, play as second striker!!! It just didnt work and you cant expect tht much from a player. This left Ade up front on his tod wondering what the fook was goin on!! how often did you also see him gettin dragged back to midfield as he was being cut out of the game being up field on his own..I think its kind of unfair pickin this or that player as most of the time they all looked unorganised and clueless as to what they were doin. Barry and Ireland prob more so than anyone else!! Iv never see two players that looked so unsure with the ball at their feet!! One of the only players that looked sure was De Jong, with the simple roll of cleaning up the midfield.
Im sure Mancini will play a better stratigy and one that will help players understand their rolls alot better..
Ted Hughes wrote:Dazzacity wrote:Im forever stickin up for Robbie. Im also havin to remind people that he has been out injured for months!! But saying that I think it was obviuose none of the Brazillians got along with Hughes. Heck!!! Id even take Elano back now Hughes has gone!! But I can understand people gettin pissed off with Robbie as he really doesnt look too interested. Im sure Mancini can get him going again.
I also feel a little sorry for Ade and think he has been given a hard time. He plays upfront on his own and Hughes expected the wide players (Tevez,SWP,Robbie.Bellamy) to do everything!! track back,play wide,help out in centre mid and on top of that, play as second striker!!! It just didnt work and you cant expect tht much from a player. This left Ade up front on his tod wondering what the fook was goin on!! how often did you also see him gettin dragged back to midfield as he was being cut out of the game being up field on his own..I think its kind of unfair pickin this or that player as most of the time they all looked unorganised and clueless as to what they were doin. Barry and Ireland prob more so than anyone else!! Iv never see two players that looked so unsure with the ball at their feet!! One of the only players that looked sure was De Jong, with the simple roll of cleaning up the midfield.
Im sure Mancini will play a better stratigy and one that will help players understand their rolls alot better..
Possibly but Ade likes to drift about. Robbie will get his chance but will need to take it or face being marginalised. He'll have to run about too. Mancini doesn't like lazy sods anymore than Hughes so if he's hoping for an easy ride I recon he'll get a shock.
Beefymcfc wrote:This ain't a 'Something to moan About' thread, it is a question of whether these 2 players are the future of our club. So give up moaning about moaning
like it's a fact they have superstar attitudes and that's why they may not last here.Beefymcfc wrote:do you think they will be on their way out because of their Superstar attitudes?
Dazzacity wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Dazzacity wrote:Im forever stickin up for Robbie. Im also havin to remind people that he has been out injured for months!! But saying that I think it was obviuose none of the Brazillians got along with Hughes. Heck!!! Id even take Elano back now Hughes has gone!! But I can understand people gettin pissed off with Robbie as he really doesnt look too interested. Im sure Mancini can get him going again.
I also feel a little sorry for Ade and think he has been given a hard time. He plays upfront on his own and Hughes expected the wide players (Tevez,SWP,Robbie.Bellamy) to do everything!! track back,play wide,help out in centre mid and on top of that, play as second striker!!! It just didnt work and you cant expect tht much from a player. This left Ade up front on his tod wondering what the fook was goin on!! how often did you also see him gettin dragged back to midfield as he was being cut out of the game being up field on his own..I think its kind of unfair pickin this or that player as most of the time they all looked unorganised and clueless as to what they were doin. Barry and Ireland prob more so than anyone else!! Iv never see two players that looked so unsure with the ball at their feet!! One of the only players that looked sure was De Jong, with the simple roll of cleaning up the midfield.
Im sure Mancini will play a better stratigy and one that will help players understand their rolls alot better..
Possibly but Ade likes to drift about. Robbie will get his chance but will need to take it or face being marginalised. He'll have to run about too. Mancini doesn't like lazy sods anymore than Hughes so if he's hoping for an easy ride I recon he'll get a shock.
I think that was kind of the problem.. WE had Barry and Ireland wondering whether they should be staying back or pushin forward and then had the likes of Tevez,Bellamy,Ade,SWP runnin here,there and everywhere.From what I see we rather had players running into eachother or a guy with the ball at his feet with no one to pass to..WE only really looked a threat on breaks as we couldnt really out pass a side. Just not organised enough and had players on different chapters. 'FOUR FOUR FOOKIN TWO' ;-)
london blue 2 wrote:Robbi talked about being the best in the world at one point. If he's gonna be regularly out shined by Craig Bellamy (all due respect) then that just aint gonna happen. I think the both (Rob and Ade) need a kick up the arse, if they cant pull their fingers out fuck em off.
Dubaimancityfan wrote:london blue 2 wrote:Robbi talked about being the best in the world at one point. If he's gonna be regularly out shined by Craig Bellamy (all due respect) then that just aint gonna happen. I think the both (Rob and Ade) need a kick up the arse, if they cant pull their fingers out fuck em off.
Robbie's natural position is not on the left wing which entails a lot of defending and needs a speedy player ala SWP/Bellers which Robbie clearly isn't. So I don't think its fair to judge him in that position, although he didn't do too badly most of last season.
He is more suited as a 2nd striker (with licence to roam) which is the position he plays for Brazil just in front of Kaka. At the moment Tevez is filling that position for us , so its a tough one. Robbie shud be competing with Tevez and not Bellers.
As for Ade, I think he's going through a "relatively "bad patch and he'll bounce back. Goals like the one he scored against Chealsk is what he is employed for and his overall average is still good. Like someone else said he is also very good in defending corners which we badly need. A little competition from RSC will not harm him and shud motivate him more.
BlueMoonAwoken wrote:i actually thought robbie and ade was younger than what they was but there both 25 surely they should be reaching there peaks? I really believe robbie is not strong enough for the english game. With ade i agree with the poster above who said he is having to run around like a headless chicken rather than concentrate on scoring goals.
But i just have a feeling that felipe caceido is the future drogba! he is only 21 still learning his trade if he can work on his decision making and movement a little more i think he is a perfect goal machine. I heard he is doing shit in lisbon but i think the english game is perfect for him. I think jo at everton would be more suited to spain or lisbon rather than england also.
You could say weiss is the future of city but once again i havent seen him enough in premier league games to make a decision.
I wish robiinho would take a leaf out of SWP's book about getting stuck in and riding the tackles.
Ted Hughes wrote:Dubaimancityfan wrote:london blue 2 wrote:Robbi talked about being the best in the world at one point. If he's gonna be regularly out shined by Craig Bellamy (all due respect) then that just aint gonna happen. I think the both (Rob and Ade) need a kick up the arse, if they cant pull their fingers out fuck em off.
Robbie's natural position is not on the left wing which entails a lot of defending and needs a speedy player ala SWP/Bellers which Robbie clearly isn't. So I don't think its fair to judge him in that position, although he didn't do too badly most of last season.
He is more suited as a 2nd striker (with licence to roam) which is the position he plays for Brazil just in front of Kaka. At the moment Tevez is filling that position for us , so its a tough one. Robbie shud be competing with Tevez and not Bellers.
As for Ade, I think he's going through a "relatively "bad patch and he'll bounce back. Goals like the one he scored against Chealsk is what he is employed for and his overall average is still good. Like someone else said he is also very good in defending corners which we badly need. A little competition from RSC will not harm him and shud motivate him more.
Robbie has played about 99.9% of all his games for Brazil & Madrid on the left. He drifts inside, as he does for City but goes back out to the left. He doesn't like running & is normally not very good away from home for Brazil either & often gets substituted.
Brazil often get their 1st goal from a set piece then Robbie sometimes comes into the game effectively on the break as the other side chases the game but having watched all of Brazil's World Cup games live, his contribution to their team isn't usually any better or worse than his contribution to ours.
Rag_hater wrote:I should imagine Robbie and Ade are gonna carry on playing the way they were which was pretty good.Good enough to keep them starting for their national teams(which arnt bad teams)
Its been more where and how the other players around them have performed that has not led to Robbie and Ade being so effective in the past few games.Its been Barry playing with an injury,Stevie being given a different role and NDJ being so defensive.
I dont go for this idea that they are lazy and more so away from home.Obviously when we play a team at their ground they are going to have the same advantage we do when we are at home of being in front of their own supporters familiar surroudings etc...For me Robbie and Ade have been playing quite well.If peo`le think Craig is better than Robson and brings more to the tem that is a diifferent matter but to say that Robbie and Ade haven't been trying and RM will make them into different players seems a bit wrong to me.They are what they are and try for us all the time how they are used is upto the new man.
Dubaimancityfan wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Dubaimancityfan wrote:london blue 2 wrote:Robbi talked about being the best in the world at one point. If he's gonna be regularly out shined by Craig Bellamy (all due respect) then that just aint gonna happen. I think the both (Rob and Ade) need a kick up the arse, if they cant pull their fingers out fuck em off.
Robbie's natural position is not on the left wing which entails a lot of defending and needs a speedy player ala SWP/Bellers which Robbie clearly isn't. So I don't think its fair to judge him in that position, although he didn't do too badly most of last season.
He is more suited as a 2nd striker (with licence to roam) which is the position he plays for Brazil just in front of Kaka. At the moment Tevez is filling that position for us , so its a tough one. Robbie shud be competing with Tevez and not Bellers.
As for Ade, I think he's going through a "relatively "bad patch and he'll bounce back. Goals like the one he scored against Chealsk is what he is employed for and his overall average is still good. Like someone else said he is also very good in defending corners which we badly need. A little competition from RSC will not harm him and shud motivate him more.
Robbie has played about 99.9% of all his games for Brazil & Madrid on the left. He drifts inside, as he does for City but goes back out to the left. He doesn't like running & is normally not very good away from home for Brazil either & often gets substituted.
Brazil often get their 1st goal from a set piece then Robbie sometimes comes into the game effectively on the break as the other side chases the game but having watched all of Brazil's World Cup games live, his contribution to their team isn't usually any better or worse than his contribution to ours.
It seems you have watched many more Brazil matches then I have Ted, and you are probably right. My point is Robbie is not a natural winger and does not do well in defending. It might work for Brazil because they have a solid left back and they defend more from midfield and cover well for each other. I am sure Robbie will be much happier playing in a more inside position.
Ted Hughes wrote:Rag_hater wrote:I should imagine Robbie and Ade are gonna carry on playing the way they were which was pretty good.Good enough to keep them starting for their national teams(which arnt bad teams)
Its been more where and how the other players around them have performed that has not led to Robbie and Ade being so effective in the past few games.Its been Barry playing with an injury,Stevie being given a different role and NDJ being so defensive.
I dont go for this idea that they are lazy and more so away from home.Obviously when we play a team at their ground they are going to have the same advantage we do when we are at home of being in front of their own supporters familiar surroudings etc...For me Robbie and Ade have been playing quite well.If peo`le think Craig is better than Robson and brings more to the tem that is a diifferent matter but to say that Robbie and Ade haven't been trying and RM will make them into different players seems a bit wrong to me.They are what they are and try for us all the time how they are used is upto the new man.
The question is whether the kind of football played in certain other countries & in internationals works week in week out in the PL. I firmly believe it doesn't. Against some teams it's fine but the week after you can be asked a completely different set of questions & you get mugged. If these players want to play regularly they have to adapt. I believe they're trying to do that but so far they're only succeeding 50% of the time. That has to improve if they're to stay. The manager's job is on the line & he can't afford to wait, they have to produce.
Rag_hater wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Rag_hater wrote:I should imagine Robbie and Ade are gonna carry on playing the way they were which was pretty good.Good enough to keep them starting for their national teams(which arnt bad teams)
Its been more where and how the other players around them have performed that has not led to Robbie and Ade being so effective in the past few games.Its been Barry playing with an injury,Stevie being given a different role and NDJ being so defensive.
I dont go for this idea that they are lazy and more so away from home.Obviously when we play a team at their ground they are going to have the same advantage we do when we are at home of being in front of their own supporters familiar surroudings etc...For me Robbie and Ade have been playing quite well.If peo`le think Craig is better than Robson and brings more to the tem that is a diifferent matter but to say that Robbie and Ade haven't been trying and RM will make them into different players seems a bit wrong to me.They are what they are and try for us all the time how they are used is upto the new man.
The question is whether the kind of football played in certain other countries & in internationals works week in week out in the PL. I firmly believe it doesn't. Against some teams it's fine but the week after you can be asked a completely different set of questions & you get mugged. If these players want to play regularly they have to adapt. I believe they're trying to do that but so far they're only succeeding 50% of the time. That has to improve if they're to stay. The manager's job is on the line & he can't afford to wait, they have to produce.
If your saying that the level of international football is different to PL footie I'd agree with you(for me in a lot of cases it is better).But I think players like Robson bring that level to the PL and it is more a case of the rest of the team not being at that level which makes the approach of the other players in the team make Robbie look like he is not being as effective as he is with Brazil.
I think when we get more players of the standard of Robbie we will see the best of him.
MARKMAKAVELI wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:This ain't a 'Something to moan About' thread, it is a question of whether these 2 players are the future of our club. So give up moaning about moaning
The threadstarter summarised his postlike it's a fact they have superstar attitudes and that's why they may not last here.Beefymcfc wrote:do you think they will be on their way out because of their Superstar attitudes?
I'll stop now, I just get so down with the negativity, it seems every post is made with an agenda rather than being balanced.
'Are these 2 the future of Man City or do you think they will be on their way out because of their Superstar attitudes?'.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:BlueMoonAwoken wrote:i actually thought robbie and ade was younger than what they was but there both 25 surely they should be reaching there peaks? I really believe robbie is not strong enough for the english game. With ade i agree with the poster above who said he is having to run around like a headless chicken rather than concentrate on scoring goals.
But i just have a feeling that felipe caceido is the future drogba! he is only 21 still learning his trade if he can work on his decision making and movement a little more i think he is a perfect goal machine. I heard he is doing shit in lisbon but i think the english game is perfect for him. I think jo at everton would be more suited to spain or lisbon rather than england also.
You could say weiss is the future of city but once again i havent seen him enough in premier league games to make a decision.
I wish robiinho would take a leaf out of SWP's book about getting stuck in and riding the tackles.
Robinho's not good enough but Caicedo is new Drogba. Oh dear.
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