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Just watching the highlights of the stoke game...he made some top class saves...Love Given but would be a shame to let him go to the brummies...is there no room for 2 world class keepers here?

If it was me i'd let him sign for Birmingham BUT.....Make sure 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% we have first buy back option and let him leave for a nominal fee to make sure it happens and have it written into any deal.
I want Joe to be our number one in years to come but dont want him sat in the bench and for me Shay would start every time at this moment despite Joe's fantastic form.

Simple answer is no as both want first team football.

Can we keep hold of Hart? I doubt it cos Given has at least 4 more years at the top. Given is a better keeper though.

IanBishopsHaircut wrote:Just watching the highlights of the stoke game...he made some top class saves...Love Given but would be a shame to let him go to the brummies...is there no room for 2 world class keepers here?

Would be tempted to let him go on loan for another season, he is doing brilliant, and wouldnt want to let him go permanently

Having said that, Ben Foster did the same for Watford - was fucking amazing, David James for us too - you will always look better in a team who are defensively poor and you are on your toes much of the time, but its the concentration that maybe wanders when in a decent team - as David James for england, and Ben Watson for the munichs can testify.

The answer is no! We've all known for a while that Joe will be the next England number 1 if he's given the chance, and now he has it, he has proved his worth. He is proving to be by and far the best English keeper, but he is still a bit naive when it comes to contolling the back 4.

Capello has got a real problem.........stick with his current selections (?) or bring the best young English goalkeeper into the fold!

Just loan him out to Brum again next season. He's contracted here for years yet, so if we dont want to sell him, we wont.

Increase his wages to an amount that Brum can't match and loan him out again.

IanBishopsHaircut wrote:Just watching the highlights of the stoke game...he made some top class saves...Love Given but would be a shame to let him go to the brummies...is there no room for 2 world class keepers here?

both are great shot stoppers - but I am not convinced either deserves the accolade of world class and Hart has further to go to earn it. Neither really gives his defenders confidence in the area.

Dont think we can keep both of them happy until Shay retires so we have to stick with the best at the end of the season by which time JH will be looking for us to make a decision on his future one way or the other.

blues-clues wrote: I am not convinced either deserves the accolade of world class and Hart has further to go to earn it. Neither really gives his defenders confidence in the area.

Eh? You been on the christmas sherry?

lets all have a disco wrote:If it was me i'd let him sign for Birmingham BUT.....Make sure 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% we have first buy back option and let him leave for a nominal fee to make sure it happens and have it written into any deal.
I want Joe to be our number one in years to come but dont want him sat in the bench and for me Shay would start every time at this moment despite Joe's fantastic form.

sounds like the best idea so far

IanBishopsHaircut wrote:

blues-clues wrote: I am not convinced either deserves the accolade of world class and Hart has further to go to earn it. Neither really gives his defenders confidence in the area.

Eh? You been on the christmas sherry?

bleaurrrrrgghhhh

No cant stand the stuff.

Schmeichel set the standard of a world class all round keeper. Given is a great shot stopper but he is weak on crosses and his distribution is poor. Hart is not as good as Given yet but is in a similar vein, good shot stopper but not the finished article by any stretch of the imagination. Petr Cech is a shaddow of his former self so Given is now among those touted as best in the PL but is not as good as Cech was before his skull was cracked.

IanBishopsHaircut wrote:

blues-clues wrote: I am not convinced either deserves the accolade of world class and Hart has further to go to earn it. Neither really gives his defenders confidence in the area.

Eh? You been on the christmas sherry?

As good as they both are, they are similar in terms of standing on their line.

Hart was always criticised here for the way he flapped on occasions.

They are both relatively poor (eg compared to James/Schmeichel) when it comes to being commanding with set pieces and crosses

Just one big difference between Hart and Given is one-on-ones. Hart comes out with his legs so wide strikers always seem to nutmeg him for an easy goal. Given rushes out and sort does a kinda ice-hockey keeper type thing with his legs and blocks most one-on-ones.

The future is Joe Hart not Given. No way should City allow Joe to leave the club.

zuricity wrote:The future is Joe Hart not Given. No way should City allow Joe to leave the club.

HE SIGNED FOR 4 YEARS A YEAR AGO SO WE WILL ONLY PROBABLY GET AWAY WITH ANOTHER YEARS LOAN FOR HIM...........
BUT YOUR RIGHT - WE CANT LET HIM GO, HE FAR TOO VALUABLE.

Svensational wrote:Oh theres definatley room, but he wouldnt remain world class if he was sat on the bench!?

Such a shame really as his past 3 games hes been outstanding.

It's called competition, hughes even said in the summer he wanted two top (class) players competing for every position. It will cetainly give Given a kick up the ass if joe is hanging around next season.

I think it's doing him the world of good being on loan. He was fucking awful earlier in the season but now his mistakes are getting fewer & his saves are getting better. Another year of it should tell us if he's ready to challenge Shay. At the moment, he's not.

Interesting one this, it's a tough one for Joe as Shay is only going to get better and has at least another 5 years left in him imo. If he's happy to stay on loan at Brum for a few years he will come back here as a top class keeper i'm certain, however wheather he has the patience to keep being farmed out is a completley different matter. I do think he may want to move on to Brum full time at one point because he's obviously having a great time there.

Hope not though.

He should definitely not be sold. Make it clear to him that if he progresses as he has been, he'll have a big future at the club.

Very few keepers his age get to play in the Prem so he should use this experience to the full. If we loan him out for next season also, by the time he comes back, we'll be established as one of the best teams in the Prem. That's a great incentive for the lad.

Why would he want to sign for Brum full time when he could be playing Champs League footy with us in a couple of years?

(That is, of course, providing he is good enough for us then!)

Kiss_The_Goat wrote:Just loan him out to Brum again next season. He's contracted here for years yet, so if we dont want to sell him, we wont.

Agree. Just tell him (a lie then if it's not true) that he will be our no.1 in the future and you'll be the one making saves in Chumps Lge finals in a few years.. But until that you just can go on loan and stop shots at Brum or wherever shit Prem team you like.