john68 wrote:Interesting that the writer of that picked out the two negative comments that I had heard about Vieira and yet ignored to include any of the positive comments on his signing.
I enjoy analysis but that ommited a sense of balance.
john68 wrote:Interesting that the writer of that picked out the two negative comments that I had heard about Vieira and yet ignored to include any of the positive comments on his signing.
I enjoy analysis but that ommited a sense of balance.
walmai wrote:I'm head-scratching over an article in the paper; do you lot understand that Vieira will play in favour of Barry?
I have to admit that I was surprised that Mancini thought he was needed in your squad, due to the presence of other DM's in it, but can scarcely believe that he's been brought to the club as Barry's replacement.
'Vieira had been expected to go straight into the team, probably at the expense of De Jong or Barry'.
I appreciate its paper talk, but, still....
walmai wrote:I'm head-scratching over an article in the paper; do you lot understand that Vieira will play in favour of Barry?
I have to admit that I was surprised that Mancini thought he was needed in your squad, due to the presence of other DM's in it, but can scarcely believe that he's been brought to the club as Barry's replacement.
'Vieira had been expected to go straight into the team, probably at the expense of De Jong or Barry'.
I appreciate its paper talk, but, still....
walmai wrote:I have to say that I've not really followed his career in Italy (I can't be arsed watching Serie A).
I just remember his ego-bruising return to Arsenal (with Juve?)
Wasn't he tackled by Pires of all people and then left for dead on pace too?
A neutral - with a certain affinity for City - thinks that Mancini is paying back a favour.
An England fan (of sorts) hopes that Barry keeps up his match practice.
Anyone, surely, must question why someone that age is earning so much.
walmai wrote:I have to say that I've not really followed his career in Italy (I can't be arsed watching Serie A).
I just remember his ego-bruising return to Arsenal (with Juve?)
Wasn't he tackled by Pires of all people and then left for dead on pace too?
A neutral - with a certain affinity for City - thinks that Mancini is paying back a favour.
An England fan (of sorts) hopes that Barry keeps up his match practice.
Anyone, surely, must question why someone that age is earning so much.
Hinch's 5 Fingered Salute wrote:walmai wrote:I have to say that I've not really followed his career in Italy (I can't be arsed watching Serie A).
I just remember his ego-bruising return to Arsenal (with Juve?)
Wasn't he tackled by Pires of all people and then left for dead on pace too?
A neutral - with a certain affinity for City - thinks that Mancini is paying back a favour.
An England fan (of sorts) hopes that Barry keeps up his match practice.
Anyone, surely, must question why someone that age is earning so much.
Well it's up to him to prove that he is better.I think with injuries etc everyone should get game time. I believe Barry needs a groin op, so maybe this is why Vieira was brought in?
Either way, its good to have quality options, he can't be any slower than Barry anyway, so I don't really see the difference.
If Vieira was English would he be in Capello's squads? I think he would, as he picks Beckham all the time. Experience and big game mentality are sometimes needed for the balance of a squad. Didi was instrumental for us under Sven, when he had two youngsters in Ireland and Johnson, and two players new to the Premiership in Elano and Petrov in midfield. It's Patricks Leadership qualities that are why he is here, he will be here to direct and influence others whilst still remaining focussed.
Some players can't do that and can only concentrate on their own game. I can't think of a team that has not had a player of stature and experience that has won something? Every championship winning team whether national or domestic has always had an older statesman to guide and influence. We have Shay, but he hasn't had the experience of winning or playing at the very top with either Newcastle or Ireland.
walmai wrote:Hinch's 5 Fingered Salute wrote:walmai wrote:I have to say that I've not really followed his career in Italy (I can't be arsed watching Serie A).
I just remember his ego-bruising return to Arsenal (with Juve?)
Wasn't he tackled by Pires of all people and then left for dead on pace too?
A neutral - with a certain affinity for City - thinks that Mancini is paying back a favour.
An England fan (of sorts) hopes that Barry keeps up his match practice.
Anyone, surely, must question why someone that age is earning so much.
Well it's up to him to prove that he is better.I think with injuries etc everyone should get game time. I believe Barry needs a groin op, so maybe this is why Vieira was brought in?
Either way, its good to have quality options, he can't be any slower than Barry anyway, so I don't really see the difference.
If Vieira was English would he be in Capello's squads? I think he would, as he picks Beckham all the time. Experience and big game mentality are sometimes needed for the balance of a squad. Didi was instrumental for us under Sven, when he had two youngsters in Ireland and Johnson, and two players new to the Premiership in Elano and Petrov in midfield. It's Patricks Leadership qualities that are why he is here, he will be here to direct and influence others whilst still remaining focussed.
Some players can't do that and can only concentrate on their own game. I can't think of a team that has not had a player of stature and experience that has won something? Every championship winning team whether national or domestic has always had an older statesman to guide and influence. We have Shay, but he hasn't had the experience of winning or playing at the very top with either Newcastle or Ireland.
I think you make some good points, although, in terms of Beckham, he's still in Capello's plans because he appears still capable of locating with a pass anybody from any range.
Midfield generals seem to be getting a shade younger every year and I can see the cleverer teams playing keep-ball-triangles around Vieira, so I don't know whether, if there were such a person, a 33 year old DM would make it into Capello's first team (the basis of my post) as opposed to the wider squad.
Ted Hughes wrote:Some of the Italian teams seem to employ almost a 7-3 or even 7-1-2 formation where they keep 7 behind the ball for a fair amount of the game & let the front 3 get on with it with late runs from the others. In that formation with Barry & DeJong beside him, I could imagine Vieira thriving. Whether he could do 4-4-2 against a decent team though I wouldn't know.
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