Ted Hughes wrote:Mancini doesn't know most of the players apart from occasionally seeing them on tv, which gives a false impression as you can't see their movement or reading of the game etc apart from in a little area so it's difficult for him to replace players if he doesn't know the strengths & weaknesses of the ones he's got. Some have been injured since before he arrived so he's barely even seen them train.
If we start losing he'll probably start buying but otherwise why bother?
Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Mancini doesn't know most of the players apart from occasionally seeing them on tv, which gives a false impression as you can't see their movement or reading of the game etc apart from in a little area so it's difficult for him to replace players if he doesn't know the strengths & weaknesses of the ones he's got. Some have been injured since before he arrived so he's barely even seen them train.
If we start losing he'll probably start buying but otherwise why bother?
I am sure he will ave a dossier on each player and will have sat down with Kidd and talked through each player at length. He has had 4 games and many training sessions to get an idea. I think Mancini will buy if the right player becomes available, however, he must be an improvement on what we have. He shouldnt sign someone who does not improve us.
Ted Hughes wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Mancini doesn't know most of the players apart from occasionally seeing them on tv, which gives a false impression as you can't see their movement or reading of the game etc apart from in a little area so it's difficult for him to replace players if he doesn't know the strengths & weaknesses of the ones he's got. Some have been injured since before he arrived so he's barely even seen them train.
If we start losing he'll probably start buying but otherwise why bother?
I am sure he will ave a dossier on each player and will have sat down with Kidd and talked through each player at length. He has had 4 games and many training sessions to get an idea. I think Mancini will buy if the right player becomes available, however, he must be an improvement on what we have. He shouldnt sign someone who does not improve us.
He'll be helped by people like Kidd but Kidd doesn't know our players that well either. The evidence of his team selections show that, exactly as MH did with Vassell, Fernandes, Elano, Ched Evans, Caicedo etc, he's trying players out to see what they've got, shuffling their positions etc finding out what they can & can't do. He has less time to decide before the potential sack but much better players to work with as a start which balances it out. Not easy to make key decisions & replace them in a few weeks though.
Hinch's 5 Fingered Salute wrote:
Hmmm..... I think Hughes had a full pre season with all those players, and Evans and Vassell got in the team because of work rate. in fact it showed how clueless a manager he was, as he liked blood and thunder over technical ability or his own signings. It was criminal looking back that Evans was getting in ahead of Benjani or Sturridge. He has done sod all at Sheffield U***d, and was not good enough. Hughes realised that in the end, but probably because he knew he was bringing in three strikers and Ched didn't want to hang around. Elano would have stayed if Mancini was boss, as he can understand not everyone needs to run around like a madman, as he himself was a player that did not need to do that, Hughes was the opposite 100% effort rather than being a smart worker.
Mancini seems to recognise talent above everything else and then looks to extract it in the best possible way from each player, rather than trying to make players play in a way that doesn't suit them. I'm happy whoever pulls the shirt on, and if Bridge, Lescott etc have to sit on the bench due to the likes of Richards, Komapny et al keeping them out then I'm all for it. It creates a much more competitive atmosphere and will bring the best out of everybody.
john@staustell wrote:Hinch's 5 Fingered Salute wrote:
Hmmm..... I think Hughes had a full pre season with all those players, and Evans and Vassell got in the team because of work rate. in fact it showed how clueless a manager he was, as he liked blood and thunder over technical ability or his own signings. It was criminal looking back that Evans was getting in ahead of Benjani or Sturridge. He has done sod all at Sheffield U***d, and was not good enough. Hughes realised that in the end, but probably because he knew he was bringing in three strikers and Ched didn't want to hang around. Elano would have stayed if Mancini was boss, as he can understand not everyone needs to run around like a madman, as he himself was a player that did not need to do that, Hughes was the opposite 100% effort rather than being a smart worker.
Mancini seems to recognise talent above everything else and then looks to extract it in the best possible way from each player, rather than trying to make players play in a way that doesn't suit them. I'm happy whoever pulls the shirt on, and if Bridge, Lescott etc have to sit on the bench due to the likes of Richards, Komapny et al keeping them out then I'm all for it. It creates a much more competitive atmosphere and will bring the best out of everybody.
Correct, but I suspect the Lescott and Bridge we see shortly will not be the same ones we witnessed under Leslie. Especially if Bridge is made to play as a left full back instead of bombing off out of position with no cover!
Not sure I agree with your Elano bit. Mancini still wants effort, 100% concentration and defending from the front, even if he does use the people better! But that's another endless debate.
Vhero wrote:I'm in the thinking he has been given no money to spend in the window since we got Vieira on the free he certainly fits into my theory. The obvious reason for this is the owners don't want to pump yet another hundred million into a window just so the press can rib them if we get nothing out of it. The less obvious reason is that we don't know how long Bobbys contract is really gonna run. If the club was initially planning on keeping him in the hotseat for 6 months then they obviously don't want him spending a fortune in the window do they?
Hinch's 5 Fingered Salute wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Wonderwall wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Mancini doesn't know most of the players apart from occasionally seeing them on tv, which gives a false impression as you can't see their movement or reading of the game etc apart from in a little area so it's difficult for him to replace players if he doesn't know the strengths & weaknesses of the ones he's got. Some have been injured since before he arrived so he's barely even seen them train.
If we start losing he'll probably start buying but otherwise why bother?
I am sure he will ave a dossier on each player and will have sat down with Kidd and talked through each player at length. He has had 4 games and many training sessions to get an idea. I think Mancini will buy if the right player becomes available, however, he must be an improvement on what we have. He shouldnt sign someone who does not improve us.
He'll be helped by people like Kidd but Kidd doesn't know our players that well either. The evidence of his team selections show that, exactly as MH did with Vassell, Fernandes, Elano, Ched Evans, Caicedo etc, he's trying players out to see what they've got, shuffling their positions etc finding out what they can & can't do. He has less time to decide before the potential sack but much better players to work with as a start which balances it out. Not easy to make key decisions & replace them in a few weeks though.
Hmmm..... I think Hughes had a full pre season with all those players, and Evans and Vassell got in the team because of work rate. in fact it showed how clueless a manager he was, as he liked blood and thunder over technical ability or his own signings. It was criminal looking back that Evans was getting in ahead of Benjani or Sturridge. He has done sod all at Sheffield U***d, and was not good enough. Hughes realised that in the end, but probably because he knew he was bringing in three strikers and Ched didn't want to hang around. Elano would have stayed if Mancini was boss, as he can understand not everyone needs to run around like a madman, as he himself was a player that did not need to do that, Hughes was the opposite 100% effort rather than being a smart worker.
Mancini seems to recognise talent above everything else and then looks to extract it in the best possible way from each player, rather than trying to make players play in a way that doesn't suit them. I'm happy whoever pulls the shirt on, and if Bridge, Lescott etc have to sit on the bench due to the likes of Richards, Komapny et al keeping them out then I'm all for it. It creates a much more competitive atmosphere and will bring the best out of everybody.
Hinch's 5 Fingered Salute wrote:Vhero wrote:I'm in the thinking he has been given no money to spend in the window since we got Vieira on the free he certainly fits into my theory. The obvious reason for this is the owners don't want to pump yet another hundred million into a window just so the press can rib them if we get nothing out of it. The less obvious reason is that we don't know how long Bobbys contract is really gonna run. If the club was initially planning on keeping him in the hotseat for 6 months then they obviously don't want him spending a fortune in the window do they?
This could well be true Vhero, but if Mancini keeps this up they would be mad to let him go! What is refreshing is Mancini isn't coming in making excuses re: the squad like Hughes did, who constantly kept saying he needed more players. Mancini has managed to get wins with players at the back that were here from the start of Hughes reign and delivered wins.
We could all picture the excuses from Hughes - "I've got no defenders at the minute, I've had to play a 19 year old at centre half and bloody Garrido at left back this why we have leaked goals. i'll need to buy Upson in the window for £20m"
AlpsMaster wrote:I was thinking about this a lot last night too.
Mancini does seem to be getting the best out of some players many of us thought were not good enough for us these days.
So I can't wait to see what he can do with Ade, SWP, Toure, Lescott, & Bridge when they are all back and fit, and we've still got to see him get the best out of Ireland and Robbie yet. Then we will have to wait and see how the Vieira thing works out.
Hughes bought the players we needed last January to take us to the next level and then went well beyond that with the accelerated summer spending. A lot of fans argued that the quality of the squad then outstripped his managerial tactical abilities and he failed to make the most of the players brought in. I'm still not sure about that myself but the early signs are that Mancini is a better motivator and tactician so I think we need to see what he can do with the pretty impressive squad we have already for the rest of the season without splashing more cash and maybe disrupting the gelling process all over again.
Much as I'd love to see new signings - which is always exciting - I'd much rather see the best of what we already have.
But I would like to see us snap up and lock in some bright young talent for the future, even if we then send them out on loan to mature a bit elsewhere.
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