Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: Some players I think wouldn't have made it to VERY top:
Maradona - Fantistally talented with great vision and passing skills to die for. But I doubt he would've coped with the pace of the game and athletic nature of modern game. Would've been professional but not world star.
Duncan Ferguson - Epitomises to world gone by and was last of his breed. Scared the shit out of defenders (for a good reason as well) and was good targetman in his prime. But modern game would simply pass him by and he was already struggling in the final years of his career.
Dunne's Half-Time Pint wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: Some players I think wouldn't have made it to VERY top:
Maradona - Fantistally talented with great vision and passing skills to die for. But I doubt he would've coped with the pace of the game and athletic nature of modern game. Would've been professional but not world star.
Duncan Ferguson - Epitomises to world gone by and was last of his breed. Scared the shit out of defenders (for a good reason as well) and was good targetman in his prime. But modern game would simply pass him by and he was already struggling in the final years of his career.
I might use this quote once a disagreement. Maradona was on a different planet - if you honestly believe that the modern Prem, replete as it is with the giants of Hull, Wigan, Bolton, Pompey, Wolves... packed with footballing titans like Amdy Faye, Keith Andrews, Gary O'Neill and Zubar.... or whatever level you're talking about (the new look shit serie-A? The pace and verve of la Liga?) would have proved beyond him I despair.
The juxtaposition is superb as well - love the suggestion that "Big" Dunc did make it to the "VERY top".
Do you think that Lothar Matthaus and John Moncur would have struggled in their respective ascents to the summit of world football?
Duncan Ferguson:
Dundee - 077 (28)
Rangers - 014 0(2)
Everton - Loan 009 0(2)
Everton - 107 (35)
Newcastle - 030 0(8)
Everton - 123 (24)
Career - 360 (99)
Scotland - 7 (0)
Honours: FA Cup: 1- 1994-95
Diego Maradona:
Argentinos Juniors 167 (115)
Boca Juniors 40 (28)
FC Barcelona 36 (22)
Napoli 188 (81) - 1984-1991- In the arguably the greatest league ever; certainly one of the hardest to score in.
Sevilla 26 (5)
Newell's Old Boys 7 (0)
Boca Juniors 30 (7)
Career: 490 (258)
1977–1994 - Argentina 91 (34)
Honours:
* Argentina Boca Juniors
o Primera División: 1981
* Spain Barcelona
o Copa del Rey: 1983
o Copa de la Liga: 1983
o Spanish Super Cup: 1983
* Italy Napoli
o Serie A: 1987, 1990
o Coppa Italia: 1987
o UEFA Cup: 1989
o Italian Super Cup: 1990
World Cup - winner 1986; runner-up 1990.
Individual:
* Golden Ball for Best Player of the FIFA U-20 World Cup: 1979
* Argentine league Top Scorer: 1979, 1980, 1981
* Argentine Football Writers' Footballer of the Year: 1979, 1980, 1981, 1986
* South American Footballer of the Year (El Mundo, Caracas):1979, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1992
* Italian Guerin d'Oro: 1985
* Argentine Sports Writers' Sportsman of the Year: 1986
* Golden Ball for Best Player of the FIFA World Cup: 1986
* Best Footballer in the World Onze d'Or: 1986, 1987
* World Player of the Year (World Soccer Magazine): 1986
* Capocannoniere (Serie A top scorer): 1987-88
* Golden Ball for services to football (France Football): 1996
* Argentine Sports Writers' Sportsman of the Century: 1999
* FIFA best football player of the century: 2000
Original Dub wrote:Big Dunc wins hands down mate.
No fucking contest, take your head out of your arse DHTP.
Dunne's Half-Time Pint wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: Some players I think wouldn't have made it to VERY top:
Maradona - Fantistally talented with great vision and passing skills to die for. But I doubt he would've coped with the pace of the game and athletic nature of modern game. Would've been professional but not world star.
Duncan Ferguson - Epitomises to world gone by and was last of his breed. Scared the shit out of defenders (for a good reason as well) and was good targetman in his prime. But modern game would simply pass him by and he was already struggling in the final years of his career.
I might use this quote once a disagreement. Maradona was on a different planet - if you honestly believe that the modern Prem, replete as it is with the giants of Hull, Wigan, Bolton, Pompey, Wolves... packed with footballing titans like Amdy Faye, Keith Andrews, Gary O'Neill and Zubar.... or whatever level you're talking about (the new look shit serie-A? The pace and verve of la Liga?) would have proved beyond him I despair.
The juxtaposition is superb as well - love the suggestion that "Big" Dunc did make it to the "VERY top".
Do you think that Lothar Matthaus and John Moncur would have struggled in their respective ascents to the summit of world football?
Duncan Ferguson:
Dundee - 077 (28)
Rangers - 014 0(2)
Everton - Loan 009 0(2)
Everton - 107 (35)
Newcastle - 030 0(8)
Everton - 123 (24)
Career - 360 (99)
Scotland - 7 (0)
Honours: FA Cup: 1- 1994-95
Diego Maradona:
Argentinos Juniors 167 (115)
Boca Juniors 40 (28)
FC Barcelona 36 (22)
Napoli 188 (81) - 1984-1991- In the arguably the greatest league ever; certainly one of the hardest to score in.
Sevilla 26 (5)
Newell's Old Boys 7 (0)
Boca Juniors 30 (7)
Career: 490 (258)
1977–1994 - Argentina 91 (34)
Honours:
* Argentina Boca Juniors
o Primera División: 1981
* Spain Barcelona
o Copa del Rey: 1983
o Copa de la Liga: 1983
o Spanish Super Cup: 1983
* Italy Napoli
o Serie A: 1987, 1990
o Coppa Italia: 1987
o UEFA Cup: 1989
o Italian Super Cup: 1990
World Cup - winner 1986; runner-up 1990.
Individual:
* Golden Ball for Best Player of the FIFA U-20 World Cup: 1979
* Argentine league Top Scorer: 1979, 1980, 1981
* Argentine Football Writers' Footballer of the Year: 1979, 1980, 1981, 1986
* South American Footballer of the Year (El Mundo, Caracas):1979, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1992
* Italian Guerin d'Oro: 1985
* Argentine Sports Writers' Sportsman of the Year: 1986
* Golden Ball for Best Player of the FIFA World Cup: 1986
* Best Footballer in the World Onze d'Or: 1986, 1987
* World Player of the Year (World Soccer Magazine): 1986
* Capocannoniere (Serie A top scorer): 1987-88
* Golden Ball for services to football (France Football): 1996
* Argentine Sports Writers' Sportsman of the Century: 1999
* FIFA best football player of the century: 2000
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Oh come on. I wasn't comparing them FFS. To make it more clear, I think Maradona would be playing his football in average team in one of the better leagues and would be alright player for Argentina but would not be match for likes of Messi and Tranaldo in very top of the world game. Duncan Ferguson would laying bricks and playing Sunday League.
- this should be the end of your credibility.Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Maradona: Would've been professional but not world star
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Some players I think wouldn't have made it to VERY top:
Maradona - Fantistally talented with great vision and passing skills to die for. But I doubt he would've coped with the pace of the game and athletic nature of modern game. Would've been professional but not world star
Duncan Ferguson - Epitomises to world gone by and was last of his breed. Scared the shit out of defenders (for a good reason as well) and was good targetman in his prime. But modern game would simply pass him by and he was already struggling in the final years of his career.
Fidel Castro wrote:Maradona would still be the dogs bollocks.
What about Garrincha? Some Dutch guy made a documentary about him a few years back, he looked bloody amazing.
Dunne's Half-Time Pint wrote:Fidel Castro wrote:Maradona would still be the dogs bollocks.
What about Garrincha? Some Dutch guy made a documentary about him a few years back, he looked bloody amazing.
Brazil did not lose a single game in which he and Pele played - supposed to have been a staggering player. That said, he had polio as a youngster (or some such) and had a wonky leg... he'd be better than fuckin Jo. that's certain.
Fidel Castro wrote:Maradona would still be the dogs bollocks.
What about Garrincha? Some Dutch guy made a documentary about him a few years back, he looked bloody amazing.
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