Robinho: The Substituted Substitute

[mcfc1632]

Robson was Mancini's scapegoat yesterday for his own mistakes.All managers are gonna make mistakes so he has to be given a bit of leeway this time.
However there is no way he was any worse than NDJ,Zabaletta,Kompany,Bellamy who kept getting tackled or losing the ball or Carlos who was non existant.He did his piggy in the middle forcing the toffee's to pass a bit quicker so no doubt thats the vouge.
SWP was no better when he came on.The only one who did make a bit of a difference was Benji.
The subbing of Robson may show that Roberto isn't to be fucked around with but as for actually giving us more of a chance of snatching a draw or winning it was the wrong move.

A number of those you mention had bad games - but Rob was worse than any - I saw Bellamy (for example) running at full speed into the LB position several times to defend - none of that came from Rob - and if you ar3e going to be a passenger - you need to be top at your specialist area - he was invisible

[avoidconfusion]

Exactly the problem was that while Bellamy e.g. was also giving the ball away cheaply he never stopped running and working.

Robinho doesn't even do that and it's really starting to piss me off to see a grown man who earns 160 000 pounds a week pull out of every tackle even the ones that favour him.

Might sound harsh but at the moment I would prefer it if Mancini would put Weiss into the team and get rid of Robinho.

[Rag_hater]

Robson was Mancini's scapegoat yesterday for his own mistakes.All managers are gonna make mistakes so he has to be given a bit of leeway this time.
However there is no way he was any worse than NDJ,Zabaletta,Kompany,Bellamy who kept getting tackled or losing the ball or Carlos who was non existant.He did his piggy in the middle forcing the toffee's to pass a bit quicker so no doubt thats the vouge.
SWP was no better when he came on.The only one who did make a bit of a difference was Benji.
The subbing of Robson may show that Roberto isn't to be fucked around with but as for actually giving us more of a chance of snatching a draw or winning it was the wrong move.

A number of those you mention had bad games - but Rob was worse than any - I saw Bellamy (for example) running at full speed into the LB position several times to defend - none of that came from Rob - and if you ar3e going to be a passenger - you need to be top at your specialist area - he was invisible

Bellamy may have run there at full pelt (which is all it seems to take to become a hero) but did fuck all when he got there.He did get beaten and give a foul away in a danerous position but hey at least he did run fast.
But if running fast is what it takes to make the fans think that he is the Welsh Messi then Robson is never gonna make an impression cos thats one thing Craig has on Robbie.
And I think youre being a bit selective because there were a number of occasions when Robbie was back defending.

[david yearsley]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

[mcfc1632]

Robson was Mancini's scapegoat yesterday for his own mistakes.All managers are gonna make mistakes so he has to be given a bit of leeway this time.
However there is no way he was any worse than NDJ,Zabaletta,Kompany,Bellamy who kept getting tackled or losing the ball or Carlos who was non existant.He did his piggy in the middle forcing the toffee's to pass a bit quicker so no doubt thats the vouge.
SWP was no better when he came on.The only one who did make a bit of a difference was Benji.
The subbing of Robson may show that Roberto isn't to be fucked around with but as for actually giving us more of a chance of snatching a draw or winning it was the wrong move.

A number of those you mention had bad games - but Rob was worse than any - I saw Bellamy (for example) running at full speed into the LB position several times to defend - none of that came from Rob - and if you ar3e going to be a passenger - you need to be top at your specialist area - he was invisible

Bellamy may have run there at full pelt (which is all it seems to take to become a hero) but did fuck all when he got there.He did get beaten and give a foul away in a danerous position but hey at least he did run fast.
But if running fast is what it takes to make the fans think that he is the Welsh Messi then Robson is never gonna make an impression cos thats one thing Craig has on Robbie.
And I think youre being a bit selective because there were a number of occasions when Robbie was back defending.

No one thinks that just running is enough

Most of us see the need to apply skill with that - Bellamy and Tevez have done that most of the season - but when it is not going right - all TEAM MEMBERS need to respond - that is the point I was making

Only you I think seems to think that Rob did that

[mcfc1632]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

Very poss in his mind - I saw in with a 'oh no' look on his face when he handed out a kick need the line and looked relieved and grateful when the ref did not pull out a card

[Rag_hater]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

I think all players are now on a clean slate so there must have been some other reason for him restraining himself.
i.e. he played shit like quite a few others.
The Guardian has Robbie making 3 failed tackles,same as Carlos and Bellers.
It also has Robbie making 3 more passes than Carlos in less time.
Funnily enough thats how it looked to me aswell.

[Original Dub]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

I think all players are now on a clean slate so there must have been some other reason for him restraining himself.
i.e. he played shit like quite a few others.
The Guardian has Robbie making 3 failed tackles,same as Carlos and Bellers.
It also has Robbie making 3 more passes than Carlos in less time.
Funnily enough thats how it looked to me aswell.

Mate come on you're the only one in the world that can't see he's a massive dissapointment.

Every single time someone says they were disappointed with him, you are there to say "I don't think he played poorly".

Which means you have NEVER seen him play poorly.

He has scored 3 goals in 12 months. Not too great for the all time british transfer signing.

[Rag_hater]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

I think all players are now on a clean slate so there must have been some other reason for him restraining himself.
i.e. he played shit like quite a few others.
The Guardian has Robbie making 3 failed tackles,same as Carlos and Bellers.
It also has Robbie making 3 more passes than Carlos in less time.
Funnily enough thats how it looked to me aswell.

Mate come on you're the only one in the world that can't see he's a massive dissapointment.

Every single time someone says they were disappointed with him, you are there to say "I don't think he played poorly".

Which means you have NEVER seen him play poorly.

He has scored 3 goals in 12 months. Not too great for the all time british transfer signing.

How much has Carlos cost?
I've read in places that were paying 47 mill for him which would make me think that he is the most expensive British signing.
And I dont want to bore you to much with stats and I'm really happy that Carlos is having his best season with us but if one looks over the careers of both Robbie and Carlos you will see that Robbie has scored a little bit more than Carlos.
And they have achieved similar things.Now Robbie isnt having anywhere near a good a season as Carlos however with what he has done in the past and the large part of the season still remaining for me I think the boy should be given a lot more of a chance.

[mcfc1632]

RH - we are CITY fans - Rob would get every chance in the world from us - if he just came across as being bothered...

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

RH - we are CITY fans - Rob would get every chance in the world from us - if he just came across as being bothered...

Fully agree with this.

I can full well understand players going through poor spells. That happens. I can on some occasions understand players lacking fitness as well after coming from injury. But what I can NOT tolerate is player showing absolutely NO interest towards common cause. That's not only insulting to supporters but also fellow players and owners who pay his wages.

[The Man In Blue]

RH - we are CITY fans - Rob would get every chance in the world from us - if he just came across as being bothered...

sums it up for me perfectly. bad form can be tolerated by most, but the lack of effort and concern is fucking criminal.

[Original Dub]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

I think all players are now on a clean slate so there must have been some other reason for him restraining himself.
i.e. he played shit like quite a few others.
The Guardian has Robbie making 3 failed tackles,same as Carlos and Bellers.
It also has Robbie making 3 more passes than Carlos in less time.
Funnily enough thats how it looked to me aswell.

Mate come on you're the only one in the world that can't see he's a massive dissapointment.

Every single time someone says they were disappointed with him, you are there to say "I don't think he played poorly".

Which means you have NEVER seen him play poorly.

He has scored 3 goals in 12 months. Not too great for the all time british transfer signing.

How much has Carlos cost?
I've read in places that were paying 47 mill for him which would make me think that he is the most expensive British signing.
And I dont want to bore you to much with stats and I'm really happy that Carlos is having his best season with us but if one looks over the careers of both Robbie and Carlos you will see that Robbie has scored a little bit more than Carlos.
And they have achieved similar things.Now Robbie isnt having anywhere near a good a season as Carlos however with what he has done in the past and the large part of the season still remaining for me I think the boy should be given a lot more of a chance.

the owners said the price for Tevez was 25m to whoever wanted him. Same for us as it was for Utd. All we had to increase was his wages.

Now, I'll say this loud and clear:

GIVE ME CARLOS TEVEZ OVER ROBINHO ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

[Rag_hater]

RH - we are CITY fans - Rob would get every chance in the world from us - if he just came across as being bothered...

Yesterday when Micah gave away the pen,Robbie was over to the linesman who had signalled it with his hands behind his back arguing about how he thought it was a mistake.He looked somewhat bothered to me.And I am not one for thinking that he only performs at home.To me that just seems a bandwagon or an excuse people are happy to align themselves with.

[Rag_hater]

Problem with Bellers was he was on a suspension for Tues if he picked up a yellow - that´s why he didn´t seem as agressive in the tackle imo - he defo pulled out of a couple of challenges or was at the very least restraining himself

I think all players are now on a clean slate so there must have been some other reason for him restraining himself.
i.e. he played shit like quite a few others.
The Guardian has Robbie making 3 failed tackles,same as Carlos and Bellers.
It also has Robbie making 3 more passes than Carlos in less time.
Funnily enough thats how it looked to me aswell.

Mate come on you're the only one in the world that can't see he's a massive dissapointment.

Every single time someone says they were disappointed with him, you are there to say "I don't think he played poorly".

Which means you have NEVER seen him play poorly.

He has scored 3 goals in 12 months. Not too great for the all time british transfer signing.

How much has Carlos cost?
I've read in places that were paying 47 mill for him which would make me think that he is the most expensive British signing.
And I dont want to bore you to much with stats and I'm really happy that Carlos is having his best season with us but if one looks over the careers of both Robbie and Carlos you will see that Robbie has scored a little bit more than Carlos.
And they have achieved similar things.Now Robbie isnt having anywhere near a good a season as Carlos however with what he has done in the past and the large part of the season still remaining for me I think the boy should be given a lot more of a chance.

the owners said the price for Tevez was 25m to whoever wanted him. Same for us as it was for Utd. All we had to increase was his wages.

Now, I'll say this loud and clear:

GIVE ME CARLOS TEVEZ OVER ROBINHO ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Real offered 40 mill for him I had a little read around when I asked you which other clubs came in for him.
So I think the fee escallating to 47 mill might be the case depending on goals and appearances.

[walmai]

I knew there were stories that Tevez cost a lot more than United were prepared to pay, but £45M plus?

Sheesh!

[Original Dub]

RH - we are CITY fans - Rob would get every chance in the world from us - if he just came across as being bothered...

Yesterday when Micah gave away the pen,Robbie was over to the linesman who had signalled it with his hands behind his back arguing about how he thought it was a mistake.He looked somewhat bothered to me.And I am not one for thinking that he only performs at home.To me that just seems a bandwagon or an excuse people are happy to align themselves with.

Ah well that's that then.

Oh and its some bandwagon by the way. Like every single person in football is on this agenda... and everyone on here...

Obviously you're seeing things that absolutely no one else can see.

Either that, or he is in fact a major disappointment.

[avoidconfusion]

I wish Robinho had Tevez' attitude and work rate, what a player he would be then.

[Original Dub]

RH-

£25.5m was the fee that his owners put on him. That was his price tag and it was common knowledge at the time. Kia Jorabchian said so. So if some report said Real offered 40m for him then (a) the report was a load of bollox (b) they were fucking stupid to offer that.

Oh and it didn't matter because he wanted to stay in England. As is the case in almost every transfer, the player gets to choose where he goes, so the club he ends up going to isn't always the one that offers the biggest transfer fee. I'll bet we offered more for Berbatov, Torres and maybe a few others, but its ultimately up to the player and in Tevez' case I reckon we offered the most wages... and by some distance.

The transfer fee was the same for us as it was for United. They couldn't publically come out and say "If manchester united want Tevez, they will have to pay the £25.5m fee because that was agreed when the loan with option to buy deal was laid out..."
And then ask us for £47m.

A player isn't a different price for us as it is for United. Wages, yes. Transfer fee? No.

[Rag_hater]

I wish Robinho had Tevez' attitude and work rate, what a player he would be then.

He is not though,he is a different style of player so for me accepting that he will never do the kinds of things Carlos does is ok.

RH-

£25.5m was the fee that his owners put on him. That was his price tag and it was common knowledge at the time. Kia Jorabchian said so. So if some report said Real offered 40m for him then (a) the report was a load of bollox (b) they were fucking stupid to offer that.

Oh and it didn't matter because he wanted to stay in England. As is the case in almost every transfer, the player gets to choose where he goes, so the club he ends up going to isn't always the one that offers the biggest transfer fee. I'll bet we offered more for Berbatov, Torres and maybe a few others, but its ultimately up to the player and in Tevez' case I reckon we offered the most wages... and by some distance.

The transfer fee was the same for us as it was for U***d. They couldn't publically come out and say "If manchester U***d want Tevez, they will have to pay the £25.5m fee because that was agreed when the loan with option to buy deal was laid out..."
And then ask us for £47m.

A player isn't a different price for us as it is for U***d. Wages, yes. Transfer fee? No.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 831582.ece

Heres a link to what might have been paid for him.
He has been worth every penny this year if his goals win us something but going of what Kia says is not the complete story and I dont believe most of it.
There are many reports of it being in the 47 mill mark so I think there may be some truth in it.