The League Cup - Is It An Omen Or Are They Cheating Scum?

[Beefymcfc]

Just been doing a bit of digging regarding the League Cup after what was mentioned on BBC regarding the dates of the final. It turns out that the League Cup Final is actually played on the same date as when we won our last cup 34 years ago, the 28th of February. On that day (when I was 4 years old) we beat Newcastle 2-1 with a classic overhead kick by Dennis Tueart, who coincidently, was born in Newcastle.

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However, on another note, I did find this:

From Wiki

Semi-finals

The four quarter-final winners compete in this round.

The ties are played over two matches (one at each club's stadium), with the aggregate score being used to determine the winners. If the aggregate scores are level at the end of the 90 minutes, extra time is played. If the scores are still level at the end of extra time, the team which has scored more away goals goes through. If the number of away goals is still level, a penalty shootout is used to decide the winners.

Which shows that if the rags get 1 goal and hold out until extra time, they go through automatically. Don't get me wrong, I do expect more goals at the swamp, but it does worry me that they have a European type advantage going into the second leg.

So, the questions in the title?

[Kladze]

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[CityFanFromRome]

Yeah there was a discussion about this in another topic. However, the difference from the Euro style away goals is that in Euro competitions the away goals count at the end of the second legs' 90 minutes, while here, they count at the end of extra time, so it's a bit better for us because if it is 1-0 for the rags at the end of the 90 mins, we get to play extra time so we have another half an hour to equalise and go through.

[Alex Sapphire]

if the rags get 1 goal and hold out until extra time...

City go through

[blues-clues]

if the rags get 1 goal and hold out until extra time...

City go through

no they dont. that will be 2-2 on aggregate and they will have an away goal so they will go through

[Alex Sapphire]

if the rags get 1 goal and hold out until extra time...

City go through

no they dont. that will be 2-2 on aggregate and they will have an away goal so they will go through

oh yeah, but they've only ever achieved that result 4 times

[Beefymcfc]

Fecking Hell Kladze, and there was me thinking I was adding to the board ;-)

Anyway, the first point still exists.

The reason this came about was when I was giving presentations today to college students. I was seriously winding the rag ones up about the score and how many goals Carlos had scored compared to Rooney. I also mentioned that they still had a chance at the swamp as we'd probably play ours kids - you know, because we still had an important cup game at the weekend in the FA Cup! Anyway, thought I'd pop down to get a brew and was speaking to a Jock lad who said that from what he saw, the ref had given us the goals to make the 2nd leg and League Cup more interesting, and that the rags only had to get one in the 90 to go through.

Obviously that isn't the case as it goes to extra-time first, but he finished with the 'You Know The Rags, They need the money, They'll get Their Ref for the return leg' statement.

PS. Mods - Merge/delete if required.

[john68]

My understanding of this.
0-1 at the swamp = agg 2-2...extra time played...no further score in exra time= rags go through
1-1 at the swamp = No extra time...City go through
1-2 at the swamp = agg 3-3...extra time played...no further score in extra time = pemalties
2-2 at the swamp = no extra time...City go through
2-3 at the swamp = agg 4-4...extra time played...no further score in extra time = City go through.

The away goals are only counted after extra time.

[lets all have a disco]

My understanding of this.
0-1 at the swamp = agg 2-2...extra time played...no further score in exra time= rags go through
1-1 at the swamp = No extra time...City go through
1-2 at the swamp = agg 3-3...extra time played...no further score in extra time = pemalties
2-2 at the swamp = no extra time...City go through
2-3 at the swamp = agg 4-4...extra time played...no further score in extra time = City go through.

The away goals are only counted after extra time.

Correct John.

Top of the class.

[john68]

My understanding of this.
0-1 at the swamp = agg 2-2...extra time played...no further score in exra time= rags go through
1-1 at the swamp = No extra time...City go through
1-2 at the swamp = agg 3-3...extra time played...no further score in extra time = pemalties
2-2 at the swamp = no extra time...City go through
2-3 at the swamp = agg 4-4...extra time played...no further score in extra time = City go through.

The away goals are only counted after extra time.

Correct John.

Top of the class.

Thanks mate...will you marry me?....all my other wives never allowed me to be right.
I suffer from "being correct deprivation"

[Alex Sapphire]

My understanding of this.
0-1 at the swamp = agg 2-2...extra time played...no further score in exra time= rags go through
1-1 at the swamp = No extra time...City go through
1-2 at the swamp = agg 3-3...extra time played...no further score in extra time = pemalties
2-2 at the swamp = no extra time...City go through
2-3 at the swamp = agg 4-4...extra time played...no further score in extra time = City go through.

The away goals are only counted after extra time.

and for fear of repeating myself, our past results away against the scum show that they have done enough in less than 30% of the fixtures

[blues-clues]

John, one of your wives would probably have moaned because you put the scores the wrong way around!
Home team should be first!

[john68]

My understanding of this.
0-1 at the swamp = agg 2-2...extra time played...no further score in exra time= rags go through
1-1 at the swamp = No extra time...City go through
1-2 at the swamp = agg 3-3...extra time played...no further score in extra time = pemalties
2-2 at the swamp = no extra time...City go through
2-3 at the swamp = agg 4-4...extra time played...no further score in extra time = City go through.

The away goals are only counted after extra time.

and for fear of repeating myself, our past results away against the scum show that they have done enough in less than 30% of the fixtures

You can repeat that stat all you want Alex...it gives me confidence.

[Kladze]

Fecking Hell Kladze, and there was me thinking I was adding to the board ;-)

No worries mate - I'm not the forum police :-)

I only added that link to save you and others the time and effort of having the debate all over again.

Seems like some of them want to anyway ;-)

[john68]

John, one of your wives would probably have moaned because you put the scores the wrong way around!
Home team should be first!

That is quite correct under normal circumstances...However in my World the rags will always come second. Like some of my wives mate...:-)

[MaineRoadMemories]

4 May 1976 Old Trafford 2–0
5 March 1977 Old Trafford 3–1
15 March 1978 Old Trafford 2–2
30 September 1978 Old Trafford 1–0
22 March 1980 Old Trafford 1–0
27 September 1980 Old Trafford 2–2
27 February 1982 Old Trafford 1–1
23 October 1982 Old Trafford 2–2
22 March 1986 Old Trafford 2–2
7 March 1987 Old Trafford 2–0
3 February 1990 Old Trafford 1–1
4 May 1991 Old Trafford 1–0
7 April 1992 Old Trafford 1–1
6 December 1992 Old Trafford 2–1
23 April 1994 Old Trafford 2–0
10 November 1994 Old Trafford 5–0
14 October 1995 Old Trafford 1–0
21 April 2001 Old Trafford 1–1
9 February 2003 Old Trafford 1–1
13 December 2003 Old Trafford 3–1
7 November 2004 Old Trafford 0–0
10 September 2005 Old Trafford 1–1
9 December 2006 Old Trafford 3–1
10 February 2008 Old Trafford 1–2
10 May 2009 Old Trafford 2–0
20 September 2009 Old Trafford 4–3

Interesting fact Alex. Lots of green results up here.

[Kladze]

Rags have only won eight of last twenty six derbies at the swamp?

Wow!

[blues-clues]

John, one of your wives would probably have moaned because you put the scores the wrong way around!
Home team should be first!

That is quite correct under normal circumstances...However in my World the rags will always come second. Like some of my wives mate...:-)

I agree on the Rags. But your wives coming second? What a considerate lover you must be;-)

Sorry couldn't resist.

[john68]

John, one of your wives would probably have moaned because you put the scores the wrong way around!
Home team should be first!

That is quite correct under normal circumstances...However in my World the rags will always come second. Like some of my wives mate...:-)

I agree on the Rags. But your wives coming second? What a considerate lover you must be;-)

Sorry couldn't resist.

I left the door open...what took you so long?

[Beeks]

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Way way ahead of you ;-)