Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I hope the Behrami thing is a joke. Don't rate him at all. And how has he been "revelation"? Hasn't scored single goal or given single assist this season. That's some winger. Well worth 15m.
He has had one or two decent hard working type games recently but I can't see where we'd use him. Agent stirring up shit probably.
I know mate but I just wish these journos and agents would have at least some effort. What next, Titus Bramble reveals that despite city looking for him he is committed to Wigan?
ronk wrote:I'm starting to come around to the UEFA proposals. The latest incarnation could actually come out in our favour.
Looking at some of the stories emerging it's clear that the Premier League is badly broken. We might be safe but it won't do much good if everyone else goes to the wall. There are a lot of clubs in danger, and it's the business model that's broken.
This won't just tighten our purse strings, it will affect Liverpool, scum, Chelsea, Spurs. What this will do is constrain the ability of players to take in huge pay packets and inflate wages constantly, especially fringe players like Sturridge.
Our plan is not to lose money indefinitely, the simple fact is that we were always going to have to make these changes at some point regardless. We can already see teams cutting back, they're going to find it a lot harder to hold onto any star players they find.
What we need to do now is start to reign in our expenditure a little. We've picked up a reputation for paying a premium, continuing gung-ho in the transfer market will only make that worse. Now is as good a time as any to start looking for better value (even if we're still spending big).
Naturally Arsenal will become the people to watch.
blues-clues wrote:Uefa will struggle to fill all the loopholes.
There are loads of ways we could raise money through football related revenue so that the Sheikh could carry on subsidising he club if he wanted to. For instance, he could build himself a luxury suite in the stadium and then the club could charge him £150m a year to use it. City could also undertake ridiculously priced tours to the middle east that would earn huge fees or sell a couple of million replica kits to a "middle east" export company. Sponsorhip will also offer various outs.
Uefa would struggle to organise a piss up in a brewery cant think there will not be endless ways to get around this madness.
In the last resort the competition commission will have something to say about restrictive practices that allow CL teams to operate on unfairly exagerated budgets.
john68 wrote:As Ted states, the whole thing is to consolidate the cartel clubs' position as an elite. Forget UeFA for a moment and think cartel. It is they who have the financial muscle and the power and it is they who are pushing this forward. It is the cartel clubs who have created the football market, it is they who have created the big games with the big players. The market and increased revenues followed. UeFA themselves actually did nothing but create the infrastructure to suit the cartel clubs and allow this to happen.
We have already seen this in action throughout many sports including cricket with the Indian 20/20 league that had to be accepted. In Rugby Union, the RFU, under pressure, accepted the wishes of the bigger clubs. Proffessionalism was allowed, The Guinness Premier League was the infrastructure. In Rugby league, first Superleague and now the 3 year franchises were designed to benefit the big clubs at the expense of the smaller.
For those of you who still doubt the power of the cartel clubs and are pooh-poohing the latest politico/football murmurings, remember that this is NOT new to the cartel clubs and UeFA. The original change from European Cup to CL was predesigned by the cartel clubs and UeFA accepted them under pressure of a threat of a breakaway league.
When you laugh off that these new rules could wipe out many major European names, ask yourself what happened, almost overnight to all the old east European clubs that were such a European mainstay...Red Star Brlgrade, Partizan, the moscow clubs and clubs like Benfica, Ajax, Anderlecht, Bruges, PSG, Marseilles, Monaco, Feyenoord and many others that simply coincidentally faded around this time.
The cartel clubs do not give two fucks about the likes of City. we are a danger to their markets, they want to stop us.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I hope the Behrami thing is a joke. Don't rate him at all. And how has he been "revelation"? Hasn't scored single goal or given single assist this season. That's some winger. Well worth 15m.
IanBishopsHaircut wrote:You know what...it really would be 'Typical City' if when we finally become billionaires Platini and his fucking crew manage to push this through...it makes me livid just thinking about it
mcfc1632 wrote:IanBishopsHaircut wrote:You know what...it really would be 'Typical City' if when we finally become billionaires Platini and his fucking crew manage to push this through...it makes me livid just thinking about it
SOCS (WITH SOME HELP FROM ME) HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE BOARD TO TAKE THIS THREAT SERIOUSLY FOR SOME TIME NOW
john68 wrote:As Ted states, the whole thing is to consolidate the cartel clubs' position as an elite. Forget UeFA for a moment and think cartel. It is they who have the financial muscle and the power and it is they who are pushing this forward. It is the cartel clubs who have created the football market, it is they who have created the big games with the big players. The market and increased revenues followed. UeFA themselves actually did nothing but create the infrastructure to suit the cartel clubs and allow this to happen.
We have already seen this in action throughout many sports including cricket with the Indian 20/20 league that had to be accepted. In Rugby Union, the RFU, under pressure, accepted the wishes of the bigger clubs. Proffessionalism was allowed, The Guinness Premier League was the infrastructure. In Rugby league, first Superleague and now the 3 year franchises were designed to benefit the big clubs at the expense of the smaller.
For those of you who still doubt the power of the cartel clubs and are pooh-poohing the latest politico/football murmurings, remember that this is NOT new to the cartel clubs and UeFA. The original change from European Cup to CL was predesigned by the cartel clubs and UeFA accepted them under pressure of a threat of a breakaway league.
When you laugh off that these new rules could wipe out many major European names, ask yourself what happened, almost overnight to all the old east European clubs that were such a European mainstay...Red Star Brlgrade, Partizan, the moscow clubs and clubs like Benfica, Ajax, Anderlecht, Bruges, PSG, Marseilles, Monaco, Feyenoord and many others that simply coincidentally faded around this time.
The cartel clubs do not give two fucks about the likes of City. we are a danger to their markets, they want to stop us.
Socrates wrote:tantamount to fraud
Ted Hughes wrote:ronk wrote:I'm starting to come around to the UEFA proposals. The latest incarnation could actually come out in our favour.
Looking at some of the stories emerging it's clear that the Premier League is badly broken. We might be safe but it won't do much good if everyone else goes to the wall. There are a lot of clubs in danger, and it's the business model that's broken.
This won't just tighten our purse strings, it will affect Liverpool, scum, Chelsea, Spurs. What this will do is constrain the ability of players to take in huge pay packets and inflate wages constantly, especially fringe players like Sturridge.
Our plan is not to lose money indefinitely, the simple fact is that we were always going to have to make these changes at some point regardless. We can already see teams cutting back, they're going to find it a lot harder to hold onto any star players they find.
What we need to do now is start to reign in our expenditure a little. We've picked up a reputation for paying a premium, continuing gung-ho in the transfer market will only make that worse. Now is as good a time as any to start looking for better value (even if we're still spending big).
Naturally Arsenal will become the people to watch.
Imo it's a load of bullshit designed to stop clubs like Aston Villa from taking the place of clubs like Liverpool. The main effect it will have on us is that they'll stop us from doing what Real Madrid have done ie; signing everybody for huge sums of money. As we didn't want to do that anyway, it won't make that much difference. It's there to safeguard the elite & if they can't get in the CL every single season it at least keeps the competition down to a minimum so they'll get there regularly & won't slip into oblivion like Leeds did.
john68 wrote:No RH, I am not in the least paranoid mate. There is absolutely nothing that I can do personally to change any of what happens in the future, so I accept that fate and wait and see.
I do however look at the evidence and I then look at the possibilties and the implications.
The evidence now is overwhelming. The sheer weight of stuff emanating from UeFA demands analysis. The implications of this analysis is compelling.
The only power that UeFA has is the power conferred on it by those clubs it regulates. It is the clubs themselves that own the product and hold the power.
Within the clubs, it is the powerful clubs that hold the power there. The likes of RM, the rags etc. It is they that the market will follow and it is they that the TV companies, the sponsors and the advertisers will chase. It is they who hold the true power.
Their interests are being challenged not only by City but other clubs like us and they have a chance to close the door and protect their investments. They have a choice...Do it through UeFA, as they did when the CL was redesigned or break away and take the market with them.
For those who think that this is possible, I offered plenty of evidence regarding this sort of thing happening previously, not only in football but other sports...and, more pointedly, within recent history, with UeFA and the cartel clubs themselves.
You may wish to pooh pooh this and ignore it, that is your choice. I am happy that City are taking this seriously and are taking steps to defend the clubs' interests.
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I hope the Behrami thing is a joke. Don't rate him at all. And how has he been "revelation"? Hasn't scored single goal or given single assist this season. That's some winger. Well worth 15m.
He isn't a winger though is he , more of a box to box midfield player with the emphasis more on the defensive side.£15 mill is a bit steep .
john68 wrote:No RH, I am not in the least paranoid mate. There is absolutely nothing that I can do personally to change any of what happens in the future, so I accept that fate and wait and see.
I do however look at the evidence and I then look at the possibilties and the implications.
The evidence now is overwhelming. The sheer weight of stuff emanating from UeFA demands analysis. The implications of this analysis is compelling.
The only power that UeFA has is the power conferred on it by those clubs it regulates. It is the clubs themselves that own the product and hold the power.
Within the clubs, it is the powerful clubs that hold the power there. The likes of RM, the rags etc. It is they that the market will follow and it is they that the TV companies, the sponsors and the advertisers will chase. It is they who hold the true power.
Their interests are being challenged not only by City but other clubs like us and they have a chance to close the door and protect their investments. They have a choice...Do it through UeFA, as they did when the CL was redesigned or break away and take the market with them.
For those who think that this is possible, I offered plenty of evidence regarding this sort of thing happening previously, not only in football but other sports...and, more pointedly, within recent history, with UeFA and the cartel clubs themselves.
You may wish to pooh pooh this and ignore it, that is your choice. I am happy that City are taking this seriously and are taking steps to defend the clubs' interests.
carl_feedthegoat wrote:mcfc1632 wrote:IanBishopsHaircut wrote:You know what...it really would be 'Typical City' if when we finally become billionaires Platini and his fucking crew manage to push this through...it makes me livid just thinking about it
SOCS (WITH SOME HELP FROM ME) HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE BOARD TO TAKE THIS THREAT SERIOUSLY FOR SOME TIME NOW
ARE YOU HIS PERSONAL SPOKESMAN?
mcfc1632 wrote:carl_feedthegoat wrote:mcfc1632 wrote:IanBishopsHaircut wrote:You know what...it really would be 'Typical City' if when we finally become billionaires Platini and his fucking crew manage to push this through...it makes me livid just thinking about it
SOCS (WITH SOME HELP FROM ME) HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE BOARD TO TAKE THIS THREAT SERIOUSLY FOR SOME TIME NOW
ARE YOU HIS PERSONAL SPOKESMAN?
Good one - in fact I have more often been on a different position to Socrates on a number of issues - I only comment on him in a positive sense on this topic - because I do admire someone who (when being totally right but facing a majority of people that shout him down whilst whilst they themselves have clearly not been arsed to read into the topic properly - therefore are not really qualified to comment) has the fortitude to carry on seeking to get through to people - well it deserves some respect
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