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Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

I think Boyata did really well for beinga a 19 year old lad playing his first home game against united in our first semi final for 29 years against our biggest rivals. Sure, he was nervous, and you coulld tell, but he still did well.

But I do think Mancinin saw the Scum barrage coming and opted for a bit more experience.

mr_nool wrote:But I do think Mancinin saw the Scum barrage coming and opted for a bit more experience.

As vindicated by Ned clearing off the line - not saying that Boyata wouldn't have, but...

I agree with Mr N that Mancini expected the alamo towards the end and felt Ned would be better to deal with it. For the first 60 minutes or so the scum only had one up front so the pressure wasn't the same.
Might be different at the swamp from the start.

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I agree with Mr N that Mancini expected the alamo towards the end and felt Ned would be better to deal with it. For the first 60 minutes or so the scum only had one up front so the pressure wasn't the same.
Might be different at the swamp from the start.

I have to say that I was surprised that Bacon Face didn't put Owen on sooner. For me that was what really changed things in the second half. Rooney dropped a few yards back and ended up between the defenders and the midfield. The defenders were scared to death going at him, cause they knew that he would either do his man or find a sneaky pass to Owen running deep. It was a fucking wonder that they didn't score.

I was shitting myself every time Rooney got the ball anywhere near our goal.

I'm surprised defenders aren't substituted more in professional football. I understand why unforced substitutions are almost exclusively made for attacking players but I think a new man at the back freshens things up, gives a bit more concentration, adds a bit more fitness and gives the opposition attack a new problem to deal with.

I'm not directly linking this with the substitution that was made on Tuesday night, just in general. Y'know.

I thought Boyata had a pretty decent first half but he was starting to look a little at sea at about the time he was subbed imo.

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

Posted something along these lines in another thread just after the game. I thought Dedryk got better and better and by the time he got subbed I thought he looked really really comfortable. A minute after this sub, Owen came on for Anderson and after that we were quite crap, Rooney found acres of space. I'm not saying it was all Ned's fault, obviously Owen coming on meant Rooney taking a step back as a Second striker which made him harder to follow but I think Dedryk would have done really well if he had stayed on.
I'm also wondering how much Mancini has actually seen Ned play? He hasn't been fit since Mancio arrived, has he? A real baptism of fire if he asked him to step in as CB for the last 20 mins in a derby to "see what he could do".

But hey, it worked dinnit?

Hmm, fair comments, but I still thikn it a little odd to trust him at first, and think 'hang on, I don't trust you that much' and swap him.

Still it proved to be a relatively good decision I suppose, as we won.

Roll on Wednesday. I don't think I've ever been as nervous about a game. I wish I had Garry Cooke's gall/confidence/wages.

Martinez wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

Posted something along these lines in another thread just after the game. I thought Dedryk got better and better and by the time he got subbed I thought he looked really really comfortable. A minute after this sub, Owen came on for Anderson and after that we were quite crap, Rooney found acres of space. I'm not saying it was all Ned's fault, obviously Owen coming on meant Rooney taking a step back as a Second striker which made him harder to follow but I think Dedryk would have done really well if he had stayed on.
I'm also wondering how much Mancini has actually seen Ned play? He hasn't been fit since Mancio arrived, has he? A real baptism of fire if he asked him to step in as CB for the last 20 mins in a derby to "see what he could do".

But hey, it worked dinnit?

I agree on all counts. They did seem to have a bit more time and space after the sub, but then they were always gonna pile it on trying to get something out of it.

Maybe I should delay my application for the manager's job and let Mancini have a bit longer!

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:

Martinez wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

Posted something along these lines in another thread just after the game. I thought Dedryk got better and better and by the time he got subbed I thought he looked really really comfortable. A minute after this sub, Owen came on for Anderson and after that we were quite crap, Rooney found acres of space. I'm not saying it was all Ned's fault, obviously Owen coming on meant Rooney taking a step back as a Second striker which made him harder to follow but I think Dedryk would have done really well if he had stayed on.
I'm also wondering how much Mancini has actually seen Ned play? He hasn't been fit since Mancio arrived, has he? A real baptism of fire if he asked him to step in as CB for the last 20 mins in a derby to "see what he could do".

But hey, it worked dinnit?

I agree on all counts. They did seem to have a bit more time and space after the sub, but then they were always gonna pile it on trying to get something out of it.

Maybe I should delay my application for the manager's job and let Mancini have a bit longer!

OK, I'm re-posting my previous post... The got loads of more space because:

I have to say that I was surprised that Bacon Face didn't put Owen on sooner. For me that was what really changed things in the second half. Rooney dropped a few yards back and ended up between the defenders and the midfield. The defenders were scared to death going at him, cause they knew that he would either do his man or find a sneaky pass to Owen running deep. It was a fucking wonder that they didn't score.

mr_nool wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:

Martinez wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

Posted something along these lines in another thread just after the game. I thought Dedryk got better and better and by the time he got subbed I thought he looked really really comfortable. A minute after this sub, Owen came on for Anderson and after that we were quite crap, Rooney found acres of space. I'm not saying it was all Ned's fault, obviously Owen coming on meant Rooney taking a step back as a Second striker which made him harder to follow but I think Dedryk would have done really well if he had stayed on.
I'm also wondering how much Mancini has actually seen Ned play? He hasn't been fit since Mancio arrived, has he? A real baptism of fire if he asked him to step in as CB for the last 20 mins in a derby to "see what he could do".

But hey, it worked dinnit?

I agree on all counts. They did seem to have a bit more time and space after the sub, but then they were always gonna pile it on trying to get something out of it.

Maybe I should delay my application for the manager's job and let Mancini have a bit longer!

OK, I'm re-posting my previous post... The got loads of more space because:

I have to say that I was surprised that Bacon Face didn't put Owen on sooner. For me that was what really changed things in the second half. Rooney dropped a few yards back and ended up between the defenders and the midfield. The defenders were scared to death going at him, cause they knew that he would either do his man or find a sneaky pass to Owen running deep. It was a fucking wonder that they didn't score.

Fair comment. I still think it throws a potential spanner in the mix sticking a new defender on, when two centre halves have coped well, albeit against different players up to that point.

mr_nool wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:

Martinez wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

Posted something along these lines in another thread just after the game. I thought Dedryk got better and better and by the time he got subbed I thought he looked really really comfortable. A minute after this sub, Owen came on for Anderson and after that we were quite crap, Rooney found acres of space. I'm not saying it was all Ned's fault, obviously Owen coming on meant Rooney taking a step back as a Second striker which made him harder to follow but I think Dedryk would have done really well if he had stayed on.
I'm also wondering how much Mancini has actually seen Ned play? He hasn't been fit since Mancio arrived, has he? A real baptism of fire if he asked him to step in as CB for the last 20 mins in a derby to "see what he could do".

But hey, it worked dinnit?

I agree on all counts. They did seem to have a bit more time and space after the sub, but then they were always gonna pile it on trying to get something out of it.

Maybe I should delay my application for the manager's job and let Mancini have a bit longer!

OK, I'm re-posting my previous post... The got loads of more space because:

I have to say that I was surprised that Bacon Face didn't put Owen on sooner. For me that was what really changed things in the second half. Rooney dropped a few yards back and ended up between the defenders and the midfield. The defenders were scared to death going at him, cause they knew that he would either do his man or find a sneaky pass to Owen running deep. It was a fucking wonder that they didn't score.

Not actually arguing with that, mate. Your post wasn't up when I started typing and it took me a while. Perhaps what we actually needed was a third CB or NdJ to drop deeper to keep track of the Ogre. Again, not saying it was Neds fault and we won, happy days

Martinez wrote:

mr_nool wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:

Martinez wrote:

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Just having a gloaty wallow, watching the game again. Boyata looked well miffed at being taken off, suggesting it was defo tactical rather than for an injury. Bit weird to swap a like for like in that situation, and doesn't exactly send a positive message to Dedryck.

Mancio maybe giving Ned some match-fitness as he ponders his options for the coming games? Hppe he had some kind words for Boyata, I thought he did well considering he was thrown in at the deep end. Seemed like a risk but I don't know anyone who thought he had a poor game.

Thoughts?

Posted something along these lines in another thread just after the game. I thought Dedryk got better and better and by the time he got subbed I thought he looked really really comfortable. A minute after this sub, Owen came on for Anderson and after that we were quite crap, Rooney found acres of space. I'm not saying it was all Ned's fault, obviously Owen coming on meant Rooney taking a step back as a Second striker which made him harder to follow but I think Dedryk would have done really well if he had stayed on.
I'm also wondering how much Mancini has actually seen Ned play? He hasn't been fit since Mancio arrived, has he? A real baptism of fire if he asked him to step in as CB for the last 20 mins in a derby to "see what he could do".

But hey, it worked dinnit?

I agree on all counts. They did seem to have a bit more time and space after the sub, but then they were always gonna pile it on trying to get something out of it.

Maybe I should delay my application for the manager's job and let Mancini have a bit longer!

OK, I'm re-posting my previous post... The got loads of more space because:

I have to say that I was surprised that Bacon Face didn't put Owen on sooner. For me that was what really changed things in the second half. Rooney dropped a few yards back and ended up between the defenders and the midfield. The defenders were scared to death going at him, cause they knew that he would either do his man or find a sneaky pass to Owen running deep. It was a fucking wonder that they didn't score.

Not actually arguing with that, mate. Your post wasn't up when I started typing and it took me a while. Perhaps what we actually needed was a third CB or NdJ to drop deeper to keep track of the Ogre. Again, not saying it was Neds fault and we won, happy days

It has to be said, though, that Rooney was fucking marvelous in the second half. When he's in that form he's a handful for ANY defence. He was really world class (i don't like to admit it, but it's true).

[quote][/quote]It has to be said, though, that Rooney was fucking marvelous in the second half. When he's in that form he's a handful for ANY defence. He was really world class (i don't like to admit it, but it's true).[quote]

It doesn't have to be said. I, for example, chose to suggest we should have played with three CB's, making a fool of myself, to try and disguise the fact Rooney was world class. I reluctantly agree that he did really well, though....

uwe's_skyblue_duvet wrote:Hmm, fair comments, but I still thikn it a little odd to trust him at first, and think 'hang on, I don't trust you that much' and swap him.

Still it proved to be a relatively good decision I suppose, as we won.

Roll on Wednesday. I don't think I've ever been as nervous about a game. I wish I had Garry Cooke's gall/confidence/wages.

He played well in the first half but as the game went on you could see the nerves were getting to him, so i think Mancini made the right decision.

mr_nool wrote:It has to be said, though, that Rooney was fucking marvelous in the second half. When he's in that form he's a handful for ANY defence. He was really world class (i don't like to admit it, but it's true).

Yes he was & for those who were watching on tv, he was even more impressive when you watch his movement in context of the bigger picture. Rare he maintains that level for several games on the run though. In fact he usually has a big a dip in form during each season. Saving it for England maybe.

Agree that Mancini knew there was a storm coming, hence Ned.

The guy began to have a lot of problems when Shreck was going on directly to Shay's door. So I praised immediately when Mancio replaced him with a good, good Ned!

Ted Hughes wrote:

mr_nool wrote:It has to be said, though, that Rooney was fucking marvelous in the second half. When he's in that form he's a handful for ANY defence. He was really world class (i don't like to admit it, but it's true).

Yes he was & for those who were watching on tv, he was even more impressive when you watch his movement in context of the bigger picture. Rare he maintains that level for several games on the run though. In fact he usually has a big a dip in form during each season. Saving it for England maybe.

Agree that Mancini knew there was a storm coming, hence Ned.

what can we do to prep for that storm from the outset next week? i could easily see us losing this match 3-0 if we put the same tactics out vs. them. Just being honest.