Douglas Higginbottom wrote:Personally I haven't a clue so will leave that one to the master tacticians here. 2 things though , first we haven't conceded yet direct from a corner or free kick crossed straight in have we since Mancini came in?
2nd that last goal doesnt count as it was initially played short and it seems to me when that happens it's like another phase and maybe we havent sorted that bit yet. We seemed to get drawn more to the front post ( a la the Scunny one as well) so our main headers of the ball have moved under it.
Original Dub wrote:1. What zone does the keeper look after?
2. What zone is assigned to each defender?
3. Do the zones cross over into other zones?
4. Who's zone was Rooney in last night when he was standing for the free header?
Mr Miyagi wrote:4. As far as I'm concerned Rooney was in the 6 yard box, therefore he was in the goalie's zone, and should have been clattered to the floor when the goalie came and punched the ball clear....
Hope that helps :-)
CityFanFromRome wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:4. As far as I'm concerned Rooney was in the 6 yard box, therefore he was in the goalie's zone, and should have been clattered to the floor when the goalie came and punched the ball clear....
Hope that helps :-)
I agree with this, that was definitely Given's ball. If someone had been marking him though, it wouldn't have been bad.
Also I wanted to point out that the draw I've attached relates to last night's situation for their third goal, not in general :)
CityFanFromRome wrote:Mr Miyagi wrote:4. As far as I'm concerned Rooney was in the 6 yard box, therefore he was in the goalie's zone, and should have been clattered to the floor when the goalie came and punched the ball clear....
Hope that helps :-)
Iagree with this, that was definitely Given's ball. If someone had been marking him though, it wouldn't have been bad.
Also I wanted to point out that the draw I've attached relates to last night's situation for their third goal, not in general :)
ronk wrote:I'd have said it was a mix up between Ireland and Zabaleta.
Ireland charged off the post starting to play offside put stopped to pick up Rooney. Nothing necessarily wrong there but then he drifted back to pick up the back post and left Rooney. He had to mark 2 people in a lot of space and he guessed wrong this time. Zabaleta could have tracked if he'd been more alert and Boyata could have cut out the cross if he'd been taller.
He was pulled forward (and had to go) because the main zone all shifted towards the ball and got caught in no man's land. Too many players were worried about the short corner and weren't worried enough about their own zone. This left us outnumbered at the back post. Happens when some play offside and some aren't.
Original Dub wrote:
Well to be honest that's exactly how I saw it chief, but obviously this zonal defending that has me baffled means that Shay is at fault or that's how I'm reading it from a lot on here...
Mr Miyagi wrote:Original Dub wrote:
Well to be honest that's exactly how I saw it chief, but obviously this zonal defending that has me baffled means that Shay is at fault or that's how I'm reading it from a lot on here...
It sounds as though you don't want to accept that Given could be at fault. In that case why ask the question if you had already made your mind up? You asked the question I gave you the answer. Accept it. Any goalie has responsibility to challenge for a cross in the 6 yard box. Forget zonal, man-marking etc. It is irrelevant whether Rooney was marked or not. The goalie should still challenge for a ball in the 6 yard box and batter anyone in his way, even his own player. Whether we had a zonal system is irrelevant when it comes to a cross so close to the keeper.
BlueMoonAwoken wrote:Where was garrido and where was tevez back up? .
MaineRoadMemories wrote:BlueMoonAwoken wrote:Where was garrido and where was tevez back up? .
Slightly harsh on Garrido, he'd been subbed! :-D
On the Given situation. There is a different train of thought than saying he should be coming out for these crosses. A keeper can choose to be one or the other. Given has quite clearly chosen to be a stick on the line keeper. This is fine as everyone knows this to be the case. Therefore the responsibility falls to the defenders as they know its their job to win the ball at all costs.
Its when a keeper stays one minute and comes the next that causes huge confusion in the back line. A centre back can leave it thinking his keeper is coming or he can go for the ball and get taken out by the keeper as they both go for the same ball.
The problem with zonal marking is that the oppositon can quite quickly suss you out. It was noticeable at the scunny game that they were working on the short corner as we get everyone to defend a condensed space. No one picks up the short corner, players then get automatically drawn to the ball and spaces appear within the zonal area. This is what happened against the rags so I dont think you can blame an individual. you have to desognate someone to stop the short corner and cover all bases. If someone scores direct from the corner then the zonal marking hasnt worked.
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