Mancini's Assessment

[Original Dub]

Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho. 3 of the best managers in the world. Do they ever admit it was their fault they lost? Do they fuck. Whoever said that needs to think about it.
Mancini needs to stop fucking about. thats what he's doing. Experimenting. Well its not the time to do it. do that preseason.
Roberto - we need a left back at leftback
we need a rightback at rightback
we need a right winger on the right wing
we need a left winger on the left wing
we need 2 central midfielders.

Ireland is a CM, not a right winger. SWP is the right winger
Barry is a CM, not a left winger. Johnson or Petrov are our left wingers.
Zabaleta is only cover for CM, his best position is RB

iT IS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY TO SEE WHERE OUR PROBLEM LIES. BALANCE.

Playing Ireland on RW leaves RW unmanned, as he drifts inside. he needs to put the right people in the right places and we'll be fine.

BANG FUCKING ON!

And your also right on the whole manager blaming himself thing - I said that because I had to read it so many times last season. It was such a big issue for some on here and it doesn't seem to be anymore...

Manager blaming himself... it sounded fucking stupid then and sounds just as stupid now.


But anyway, back to your post - playing some of the best players in their favourite positions would definitely help. I can't believe it even has to be suggested.

Has SWP played a full game on the right yet? Has Petrov played a full game on the left? Talk about two wing specialists and damn good ones too.... and our guy plays them both out of position, with Ireland asked to sit back.

It doesn't take a genious to figure out we'd be a better team, especially at home with these players in their best position.

[Bingo Lewis]

Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho. 3 of the best managers in the world. Do they ever admit it was their fault they lost? Do they fuck. Whoever said that needs to think about it.
Mancini needs to stop fucking about. thats what he's doing. Experimenting. Well its not the time to do it. do that preseason.
Roberto - we need a left back at leftback
we need a rightback at rightback
we need a right winger on the right wing
we need a left winger on the left wing
we need 2 central midfielders.

Ireland is a CM, not a right winger. SWP is the right winger
Barry is a CM, not a left winger. Johnson or Petrov are our left wingers.
Zabaleta is only cover for CM, his best position is RB

iT IS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY TO SEE WHERE OUR PROBLEM LIES. BALANCE.

Playing Ireland on RW leaves RW unmanned, as he drifts inside. he needs to put the right people in the right places and we'll be fine.

BANG FUCKING ON!

And your also right on the whole manager blaming himself thing - I said that because I had to read it so many times last season. It was such a big issue for some on here and it doesn't seem to be anymore...

Manager blaming himself... it sounded fucking stupid then and sounds just as stupid now.


But anyway, back to your post - playing some of the best players in their favourite positions would definitely help. I can't believe it even has to be suggested.

Has SWP played a full game on the right yet? Has Petrov played a full game on the left? Talk about two wing specialists and damn good ones too.... and our guy plays them both out of position, with Ireland asked to sit back.

It doesn't take a genious to figure out we'd be a better team, especially at home with these players in their best position.

I'm so glad you weren't being serious.
whoever said it first needs to wobble their head.

[FA cup winners 2006]

i was sceptical about mancini before he took over and after the performance againist everton and hull i have lost all confidence in him. he knew he was coming in here in a pressure situation and he fucks around trying to experiment, he doesnt have the time. he knew a month before hand he was been considered for the job, he should have been studying our game then and the players.

we had 1 meaniful shot on target in the last 20 minutes againist hull, which is disgraceful in such a situation.

from doug's trainig reports we are doing less training with very little emphasis on the attack. although this was important at the start because the defence was so shite, it has now effected our attacking fluency.

[Original Dub]

Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho. 3 of the best managers in the world. Do they ever admit it was their fault they lost? Do they fuck. Whoever said that needs to think about it.
Mancini needs to stop fucking about. thats what he's doing. Experimenting. Well its not the time to do it. do that preseason.
Roberto - we need a left back at leftback
we need a rightback at rightback
we need a right winger on the right wing
we need a left winger on the left wing
we need 2 central midfielders.

Ireland is a CM, not a right winger. SWP is the right winger
Barry is a CM, not a left winger. Johnson or Petrov are our left wingers.
Zabaleta is only cover for CM, his best position is RB

iT IS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY TO SEE WHERE OUR PROBLEM LIES. BALANCE.

Playing Ireland on RW leaves RW unmanned, as he drifts inside. he needs to put the right people in the right places and we'll be fine.

BANG FUCKING ON!

And your also right on the whole manager blaming himself thing - I said that because I had to read it so many times last season. It was such a big issue for some on here and it doesn't seem to be anymore...

Manager blaming himself... it sounded fucking stupid then and sounds just as stupid now.


But anyway, back to your post - playing some of the best players in their favourite positions would definitely help. I can't believe it even has to be suggested.

Has SWP played a full game on the right yet? Has Petrov played a full game on the left? Talk about two wing specialists and damn good ones too.... and our guy plays them both out of position, with Ireland asked to sit back.

It doesn't take a genious to figure out we'd be a better team, especially at home with these players in their best position.

I'm so glad you weren't being serious.
whoever said it first needs to wobble their head.

It was NQDP but he seems to be ok about it now.

[Wooders]

Chelsea play 4 central midfielders to great effect though lads

[btajim]

Given, Richards, Onuoha, Bridge, SWP, Ireland, Barry, De Jong, Ireland, Tevez and Adebayor would walk straight in to any Premiership squad. I really don't think Mancini needs to bring in 14 players to ensure we're competing for Top 4. Our side is full of Internationals.

Not ANY squad mate. We need a championship-winning squad, not a Premier squad. Given, Barry, Tevez and maybe Adebayor and DeJong would go to top 4 teams of those you name. Richards maybe one day, Ireland (twice!), Onuoha, Bridge and SWP (tried that)no. Not the Ireland of this season anyway.

I liked Ireland so much that I decided to name him twice?!

At the end of the day, it's going to take time to assemble a Team capable of making a sustained charge for the Premiership Title. Some of our players may be capable of stepping up to the challenge and some may not.

I just worry that expectation has increased too much and nothing aside from immediate success will be good enough for people at all levels in the Manchester City Community... It doesn't sit well with me.

[john68]

In a nutshell,
1...What Bingo says is quite correct. Mancini is not selecting players in their strongest positions where they will do the most damage to opponents.
2...Playing the midfield and defense so close and then defending so deep, diminishes any attacking threat we have.
3...Keeping the full backs close to the central defenders is fine when being attacked down the middle but we are just giving up the wide positions and inviting teams to croos into our box.
4...Setting up to defend means we react to opponents strategies and fail to stamp our authority on the game by making opponents dance to our tune.
5...We desperately need an attacking/creative midfielder to lead us roung the pitch and set up our forwards with accuracy.

No matter what Mancini says, or what his assessment might be, it all seems to defy common sense. I just hope that some of this changes or at some point the rationale behind it becomes clear.

[Wonderwall]

In a nutshell,
1...What Bingo says is quite correct. Mancini is not selecting players in their strongest positions where they will do the most damage to opponents.
2...Playing the midfield and defense so close and then defending so deep, diminishes any attacking threat we have.
3...Keeping the full backs close to the central defenders is fine when being attacked down the middle but we are just giving up the wide positions and inviting teams to croos into our box.
4...Setting up to defend means we react to opponents strategies and fail to stamp our authority on the game by making opponents dance to our tune.
5...We desperately need an attacking/creative midfielder to lead us roung the pitch and set up our forwards with accuracy.

No matter what Mancini says, or what his assessment might be, it all seems to defy common sense. I just hope that some of this changes or at some point the rationale behind it becomes clear.

Agreed John, the best form of defence is attack. If we set out a more attacking formation we immediately push the opposition back 20 yards. I used to love it when we left 3 players on the halfway line for corners. Imagine leaving SWP, Petrov and Bellamy/Tevez up the park for an opponents corner. They would be in a right pickle and would leave 5 back in defence for sure.

[King Kev]

1...What Bingo says is quite correct. Mancini is not selecting players in their strongest positions where they will do the most damage to opponents.
5...We desperately need an attacking/creative midfielder to lead us roung the pitch and set up our forwards with accuracy.

I reckon 1 and 5 are linked. We have the personnel (Ireland) but they are being asked to play in positions and do jobs that don't allow them to play at their best.

[Dubaimancityfan]

The Hughes reflections are wholly relevent to the debate.
The whole point in sacking Hughes was that he was considered clueless and unable to push this sqUAd on to the top in the time THIS SEASON.
Mancini was brought in to do the job NOW.

In that respect there has been little or no change.

Whilst I have always argued that any manager should have time, the fact is that Mancini has NOT got time, he was brought in to ensure a top 4 place THIS SEASON...a job that Hughes was considered not good enough to do.

How can you say that. We haven't had a draw since Mancini too over. That's a big change !!

[Wooders]

1...What Bingo says is quite correct. Mancini is not selecting players in their strongest positions where they will do the most damage to opponents.
5...We desperately need an attacking/creative midfielder to lead us roung the pitch and set up our forwards with accuracy.

I reckon 1 and 5 are linked. We have the personnel (Ireland) but they are being asked to play in positions and do jobs that don't allow them to play at their best.

Agree, Ireland doesn't suit the deep CM role at all - his strengths are unlocking defenses with a pinpoint pass and making late runs into the box - this is how he was utilised last season to great effect with 'Binho - he just isn't the sort of midfielder that will boss the centre of the park though and shouldn't be played as such

[Ted Hughes]

In a nutshell,
1...What Bingo says is quite correct. Mancini is not selecting players in their strongest positions where they will do the most damage to opponents.
2...Playing the midfield and defense so close and then defending so deep, diminishes any attacking threat we have.
3...Keeping the full backs close to the central defenders is fine when being attacked down the middle but we are just giving up the wide positions and inviting teams to croos into our box.
4...Setting up to defend means we react to opponents strategies and fail to stamp our authority on the game by making opponents dance to our tune.
5...We desperately need an attacking/creative midfielder to lead us roung the pitch and set up our forwards with accuracy.

No matter what Mancini says, or what his assessment might be, it all seems to defy common sense. I just hope that some of this changes or at some point the rationale behind it becomes clear.

Agreed John, the best form of defence is attack. If we set out a more attacking formation we immediately push the opposition back 20 yards. I used to love it when we left 3 players on the halfway line for corners. Imagine leaving SWP, Petrov and Bellamy/Tevez up the park for an opponents corner. They would be in a right pickle and would leave 5 back in defence for sure.

But that's the problem, Hughes was trying to work that way & we conceded goals so we brought in an Italian to solve that problem. He's now trying to do that & it's like watching paint dry but it's what he was brought in for. Eventually Hughes team would have learned how to defend but it wasn't a priority, attack was. Eventually Mancini's team will learn how to attack but it's not the priority, defence is.

My hope is that he'll realise it's not going to work quickly enough, therefore he'd lose his job, so he'll just go for it & let everyone off the leash, starting tonight.

[Vhero]

Tried to change things up second half and make us more attacking by switching bridge out did the best he could the starting lineup should have been enough quality to finish Hull off to be fair.

Bridge came off on the 85th minute Vhero? A little late to finally decide to play with balance and width dont you think?

Still second halg though so Mancini got it right eventually lol. It was only the last 5 minutes we put them under serious pressure.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho. 3 of the best managers in the world. Do they ever admit it was their fault they lost? Do they fuck. Whoever said that needs to think about it.
Mancini needs to stop fucking about. thats what he's doing. Experimenting. Well its not the time to do it. do that preseason.
Roberto - we need a left back at leftback
we need a rightback at rightback
we need a right winger on the right wing
we need a left winger on the left wing
we need 2 central midfielders.

Ireland is a CM, not a right winger. SWP is the right winger
Barry is a CM, not a left winger. Johnson or Petrov are our left wingers.
Zabaleta is only cover for CM, his best position is RB

iT IS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY TO SEE WHERE OUR PROBLEM LIES. BALANCE.

Playing Ireland on RW leaves RW unmanned, as he drifts inside. he needs to put the right people in the right places and we'll be fine.

BANG FUCKING ON!

And your also right on the whole manager blaming himself thing - I said that because I had to read it so many times last season. It was such a big issue for some on here and it doesn't seem to be anymore...

Manager blaming himself... it sounded fucking stupid then and sounds just as stupid now.


But anyway, back to your post - playing some of the best players in their favourite positions would definitely help. I can't believe it even has to be suggested.

Has SWP played a full game on the right yet? Has Petrov played a full game on the left? Talk about two wing specialists and damn good ones too.... and our guy plays them both out of position, with Ireland asked to sit back.

It doesn't take a genious to figure out we'd be a better team, especially at home with these players in their best position.

I'm so glad you weren't being serious.
whoever said it first needs to wobble their head.

It was NQDP but he seems to be ok about it now.

Said what?

[Original Dub]

Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho. 3 of the best managers in the world. Do they ever admit it was their fault they lost? Do they fuck. Whoever said that needs to think about it.
Mancini needs to stop fucking about. thats what he's doing. Experimenting. Well its not the time to do it. do that preseason.
Roberto - we need a left back at leftback
we need a rightback at rightback
we need a right winger on the right wing
we need a left winger on the left wing
we need 2 central midfielders.

Ireland is a CM, not a right winger. SWP is the right winger
Barry is a CM, not a left winger. Johnson or Petrov are our left wingers.
Zabaleta is only cover for CM, his best position is RB

iT IS CLEAR AS FUCKING DAY TO SEE WHERE OUR PROBLEM LIES. BALANCE.

Playing Ireland on RW leaves RW unmanned, as he drifts inside. he needs to put the right people in the right places and we'll be fine.

BANG FUCKING ON!

And your also right on the whole manager blaming himself thing - I said that because I had to read it so many times last season. It was such a big issue for some on here and it doesn't seem to be anymore...

Manager blaming himself... it sounded fucking stupid then and sounds just as stupid now.


But anyway, back to your post - playing some of the best players in their favourite positions would definitely help. I can't believe it even has to be suggested.

Has SWP played a full game on the right yet? Has Petrov played a full game on the left? Talk about two wing specialists and damn good ones too.... and our guy plays them both out of position, with Ireland asked to sit back.

It doesn't take a genious to figure out we'd be a better team, especially at home with these players in their best position.

I'm so glad you weren't being serious.
whoever said it first needs to wobble their head.

It was NQDP but he seems to be ok about it now.

Said what?

sorry mate - I was just saying that you gave out quite a lot last season about the manager not taking responsibility for bad performances, but you seem to be ok about it now...

[john68]

Antti,
We're not sure what it is but we're blaming you for it mate.....Par for the course Pal...hhahahahahahaha.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Said what?

sorry mate - I was just saying that you gave out quite a lot last season about the manager not taking responsibility for bad performances, but you seem to be ok about it now...

This was my earlier post on topic and pretty clear opinion about talking shite.


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So, no, I'm not happy about making lame excuses no matter who the manager is. We were absolute fucking shite on saturday, no two ways about it.

[Original Dub]

Said what?

sorry mate - I was just saying that you gave out quite a lot last season about the manager not taking responsibility for bad performances, but you seem to be ok about it now...

This was my earlier post on topic and pretty clear opinion about talking shite.


viewtopic.php?f=119&t=30232&p=97251#p97251

So, no, I'm not happy about making lame excuses no matter who the manager is. We were absolute fucking shite on saturday, no two ways about it.

Sound mate I missed that one - for the record I still disagree that managers should blame themselves. I think that would be silly.