Just like old times.

[Beefymcfc]

My die hard positivism under Hughes was because I saw for the 1st time in far too many years that we had the chance, with the resources available to rebuild every aspect of the club from bottom to top. Rip out all the old cupboards, replaster the ceilings and put in place the base to what could eventually become an Empire.
I saw it as a job that once started should be allowed to progress until that base was finished or at least reached a stage where he could be critically assessed without damage to our long term direction or goal.
I did not know whether hughes would be the man to finish the job and add the fancy decoration to it but I thought we would be foolish to have gone so far and then to change direction.

That opportunity has gone, so has Hughes and there is no point in going over old ground...I did so only at your request and to clarify my change.

We have to deal with the present and I see the Mancini era as a different opportunity to push on. But I regret that we are not doing so at present. I am still eternally optimistic. I still think we have one of the best squads in the league and I still think we are capable of much higher things this season. That probably fuels much of my frustration.
I just hope that Mancini and his "defend at all costs" is only temporary and we will soon see Mancini and his positive strategies tearing opponents apart.
I am not anti Mancini...I maybe see good things in city that he hasn't taken advantage of yet.

Nice post mate, nice post. Just as many have felt.

[john@staustell]

As Mr Nool says let's put this to bed and support until the end of the season at least? Needless divisions, which will undoubtedly start to affect our points total with negativity.

It is faintly amusing though that the 2 polarities have reversed entirely. For example dire performances by Robinho, Jo and formerly Elano were all blamed on the manager, when it turns out after all they're just shite in England. A lost semi and some dire performances under Mancini have produced support from the Hughes-outers and the reverse from the Hughes loyalists.

The one hang-your-hat-on thing is that Mancini has an excellent record, and Serie A may have it's problems but it's certainly no walk in the park. I believe his style will take time to achieve both in training of players AND in getting the right ones (I dont think think Hughes quite got the defence he wanted, or midfield).

This is why I am prepared to give him time - certainly until the summer.

However something niggles in my mind that Hughes would've won the Carling Cup, as one-off games is his sort of line. On this I would question the owners' timings. But it could be that they are looking at a much bigger picture and are only really interested in the league position.

[john68]

John,
I don't think the division on here or with city fans in general is as divided as it was. I haven't heard much in the way of "Mancini Out" and I think that most are still behind him despite how we are playing.
That may change however over the next three league games against Pool. Chelsea and Spurs....CRUNCH TIME methinks.

[btajim]

John,
I don't think the division on here or with city fans in general is as divided as it was. I haven't heard much in the way of "Mancini Out" and I think that most are still behind him despite how we are playing.
That may change however over the next three league games against Pool. Chelsea and Spurs....CRUNCH TIME methinks.

Of course no-one is screaming "Bobbeh Manceh Out" at the top of their voice - but i'm presuming you've been reading the questions people have been asking about the boring, defensive Football? That doesn't particularly strike me as unanimous suport from "most" Blues.

Personally, I think the Cup replay at Stoke is just as important as the next 3 League Matches.

[john68]

Compared to the garbage that was chucked at Hughes in his early days, having as moan at Mancini for his depressing tactis is not on the same planet Jimbo.
I think he has still got the support of the vast majority of Blues...at least until the end of the season...(dependant on the results over the next few games).

[Lev Bronstein]

John,
I don't think the division on here or with city fans in general is as divided as it was. I haven't heard much in the way of "Mancini Out" and I think that most are still behind him despite how we are playing.
That may change however over the next three league games against Pool. Chelsea and Spurs....CRUNCH TIME methinks.

Of course no-one is screaming "Bobbeh Manceh Out" at the top of their voice - but i'm presuming you've been reading the questions people have been asking about the boring, defensive Football? That doesn't particularly strike me as unanimous suport from "most" Blues.

Personally, I think the Cup replay at Stoke is just as important as the next 3 League Matches.

Given that if we beat Stoke we face Chelsea away, surely no-one would be tempted to say "sod it lets keep our powder dry for a better day"? Would they?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

The bit I don't get is this " and we are playing "results football".

We aren't really are we. We are playing crap football which will probably get results against crap teams like Wolves,BBurn,Pompey, Bolton but it didnt did it against Everton , Stoke , Scum , Hull . Only the next few games if it carries on with the same football will we be able to tell if it's results football.

I don't understand this "result football" stuff either.

"Result football" would mean playing shit but winning. Not playing shit and drawing at home against Stoke or away against 10m Stoke and getting absolutely slaughtered against Everton and even outplayed by Hull.

Yeah, cause Stoke, Hull and Everton are the only games we've played under Mancini, right? Hull was horrendous but Goodison is no easy place to go as sides better than us have found out. Stoke is hard opposition for us for reasons obvious to anyone who understands football.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

I think the amount of money/ media hype has lead some fans to have unrealistic expectations of managers.

[Beefymcfc]

I think the amount of money/ media hype has lead some fans to have unrealistic expectations of managers.

Nothing to do with the money mate, it's just the way we are.

[john68]

Antti,
Let's get real here mate.
Everton....not only did we lose, we got played off the park. We weren't at the races at Goodison. Losing may be acceptable because Everton are a good side but the manner it happened was very poor.
Stoke are shite. They have the long ball tactic, the long ball and they get into your faces. If we have any thoughts of success, we should be able to deal with this. They are in their league position because other clubs did deal with it.
Hull too are not a good side and we never even gave it a decent go Mate...we failed to compete.

Sometimes results don't always tell the whole truth.

[Beefymcfc]

Antti,
Let's get real here mate.
Everton....not only did we lose, we got played off the park. We weren't at the races at Goodison. Losing may be acceptable because Everton are a good side but the manner it happened was very poor.
Stoke are shite. They have the long ball tactic, the long ball and they get into your faces. If we have any thoughts of success, we should be able to deal with this. They are in their league position because other clubs did deal with it.
Hull too are not a good side and we never even gave it a decent go Mate...we failed to compete.

Sometimes results don't always tell the whole truth.

Those results definately told the truth mate, it's the ones against the likes of Bolton and Pompey that didn't!

[Bluez]

John,
I don't think the division on here or with city fans in general is as divided as it was. I haven't heard much in the way of "Mancini Out" and I think that most are still behind him despite how we are playing.
That may change however over the next three league games against Pool. Chelsea and Spurs....CRUNCH TIME methinks.

Its definitely not as divided as it was, as far as I can see there is very little Mancini Out (lots of Mancini play better football). The main sign of the the old divide is those that wanted to give the last manager more time pointing out the hypocrisy of some of those who didn't, but now don't seem too concerned that we play 3 DM instead of the previous "clueless" tactic of 2, and our recent run of 2 draws against stoke and a loss against Hull in 4 games. But at least now pretty much everyone does agree we shoudl give the manager more time and that can only be a good thing.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

I think the amount of money/ media hype has lead some fans to have unrealistic expectations of managers.

Nothing to do with the money mate, it's just the way we are.

There's no way people would've wanted a manager out after 13 games 10 years ago.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Antti,
Let's get real here mate.
Everton....not only did we lose, we got played off the park. We weren't at the races at Goodison. Losing may be acceptable because Everton are a good side but the manner it happened was very poor.
Stoke are shite. They have the long ball tactic, the long ball and they get into your faces. If we have any thoughts of success, we should be able to deal with this. They are in their league position because other clubs did deal with it.
Hull too are not a good side and we never even gave it a decent go Mate...we failed to compete.

Sometimes results don't always tell the whole truth.

Stoke are 11th. They finished 5 points and two places below us last season. They've beat Liverpool for example at home.

And do you think rags are screaming for Taggarts head? They were absolutely murdered at Goodison hour a go.

Hull was unacceptable though.

[Beefymcfc]

I think the amount of money/ media hype has lead some fans to have unrealistic expectations of managers.

Nothing to do with the money mate, it's just the way we are.

There's no way people would've wanted a manager out after 13 games 10 years ago.

You're right mate, the Asa Hartford's, Phil Neal's, Stevie Coppell's and Frank Clark's of this world could never be replaced! Not forgetting the irreplaceable Alan Ball (god rest his soul)!

[john68]

That post would hasve made more sense if you hadn't gone into Hans Christian Andersonn mode.
NOBODY IS CALLING FOR MANCINI'S HEAD....But you knew that and still posted it....So what does that have to do with it?...

Stoke are 11th because they are shit Antti...If other clubs hadn't dealt with their tactics, they would be higher. 11th is in the bottom half of the table....and if we are hoping to be successful, we should have been one of those clubs who have dealt with them.

Stop making excuses for Mancini. Nobody ids calling for his head...deal with the reality as it actually is.

You have been accused of double standards mate...your post was a good example of that.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

That post would hasve made more sense if you hadn't gone into Hans Christian Andersonn mode.
NOBODY IS CALLING FOR MANCINI'S HEAD....But you knew that and still posted it....So what does that have to do with it?...

Stoke are 11th because they are shit Antti...If other clubs hadn't dealt with their tactics, they would be higher. 11th is in the bottom half of the table....and if we are hoping to be successful, we should have been one of those clubs who have dealt with them.

Stop making excuses for Mancini. Nobody ids calling for his head...deal with the reality as it actually is.

You have been accused of double standards mate...your post was a good example of that.

Really? These two topics wouldn't agree with you.

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viewtopic.php?f=119&t=30450&p=102819&hilit=mancini+out#p102819

[Bluez]

John,
I don't think the division on here or with city fans in general is as divided as it was. I haven't heard much in the way of "Mancini Out" and I think that most are still behind him despite how we are playing.
That may change however over the next three league games against Pool. Chelsea and Spurs....CRUNCH TIME methinks.

Of course no-one is screaming "Bobbeh Manceh Out" at the top of their voice - but i'm presuming you've been reading the questions people have been asking about the boring, defensive Football? That doesn't particularly strike me as unanimous suport from "most" Blues.

Does that mean you are not concerned at all about the way we are playing at the moment?

[Im_Spartacus]

I think the amount of money/ media hype has lead some fans to have unrealistic expectations of managers.

Nothing to do with the money mate, it's just the way we are.

There's no way people would've wanted a manager out after 13 games 10 years ago.

You're right mate, the Asa Hartford's, Phil Neal's, Stevie Coppell's and Frank Clark's of this world could never be replaced!

Think that if we dont achieve the success we all crave this year, that the 6 month clause will act as an escape valve to stop arguments getting too heated on here, in that the arguments now seem more along the lines of "why can't he just be a bit more adventurous", rather than an outright "I want this cunt out of my club" which was happening last year.

I think most just have a moan about the style of play, lack of invention, crap tactics, but we all know he is here at least until the summer and that he stands or falls by his performances

However it doesnt stop people having a right to have a whinge after a dire performance lacking spirit, tactics and entertainment, but some on the board need to realise that this is some people's way of letting off steam, rather than take it as a personal affront.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

I think the amount of money/ media hype has lead some fans to have unrealistic expectations of managers.

Nothing to do with the money mate, it's just the way we are.

There's no way people would've wanted a manager out after 13 games 10 years ago.

You're right mate, the Asa Hartford's, Phil Neal's, Stevie Coppell's and Frank Clark's of this world could never be replaced! Not forgetting the irreplaceable Alan Ball (god rest his soul)!

I like how you've tried to be funny here, ignoring all context.

The last time City were this far up the table people wanted the management out. In a few seasons we went down to division two.