There for the taking.

[petrov]

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I actually think the way we play now will be a blessing against Arsenal, Villa/Rags and Spuds at home as they are teams who break fast and exploit the holes gaps in your defence especially on the wings. Villa etc.... will really struggle against us as all they really offer is pace, and on a tight congested pitched against 6 holding players and the low line we now play there will be nothing for them.

What I worry about is us breaking down Brum, Fulham etc... as against teams who won't attack us we could see alot of games like today that just fade away into these type of affairs.

[Ted Hughes]

Sort of agree but I actually think Barry could play that role ok and Kompany probably and maybe Vieira but the point I am trying to make is that it's more the lack of overall team ambition that is hindering our attacking more than the missing link of a top playmaker. Don't get me wrong I would like one and I am not suggesting Kompany takes it on cos I like him at the back.

But why do we have to be so rigid with our play. Barry has attacking ability but he doesnt get released from his defensive role. The full backs love to attack but are largely held in check. Bilic found it very noticeable and was quite surprised and I think most of our fans are as well that we show such limited ambition going forward.

The standard response to this is usually about how bad the defence was and that we had to get that right and that's fair comment but only to a point.The target set for the season I believe was reset to 70 points which now means we have to get 24 from the next 12 games and I just wonder how many we are likely to get playing the kind of game we are at the moment. I believe the manager will know this very well and will/must make the necessary changes

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I've been critical of Mancini's tactics but the way we lined up today, we had 4 attacking players & 2 overlapping fullbacks. That's not much different to Real Madrid. Looking at Real Madrid though, Johnson & Adebayor would have complimented their team but Replace Ronaldo with SWP & Kaka with Ireland as they played today & it's doubtful they'd finish in the La Liga top 4.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Sort of agree but I actually think Barry could play that role ok and Kompany probably and maybe Vieira but the point I am trying to make is that it's more the lack of overall team ambition that is hindering our attacking more than the missing link of a top playmaker. Don't get me wrong I would like one and I am not suggesting Kompany takes it on cos I like him at the back.

But why do we have to be so rigid with our play. Barry has attacking ability but he doesnt get released from his defensive role. The full backs love to attack but are largely held in check. Bilic found it very noticeable and was quite surprised and I think most of our fans are as well that we show such limited ambition going forward.

The standard response to this is usually about how bad the defence was and that we had to get that right and that's fair comment but only to a point.The target set for the season I believe was reset to 70 points which now means we have to get 24 from the next 12 games and I just wonder how many we are likely to get playing the kind of game we are at the moment. I believe the manager will know this very well and will/must make the necessary changes

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I've been critical of Mancini's tactics but the way we lined up today, we had 4 attacking players & 2 overlapping fullbacks. That's not much different to Real Madrid. Looking at Real Madrid though, Johnson & Adebayor would have complimented their team but Replace Ronaldo with SWP & Kaka with Ireland as they played today & it's doubtful they'd finish in the La Liga top 4.

Did the overlapping full backs overlap? I certainly didn't see it.

[Ted Hughes]

Sort of agree but I actually think Barry could play that role ok and Kompany probably and maybe Vieira but the point I am trying to make is that it's more the lack of overall team ambition that is hindering our attacking more than the missing link of a top playmaker. Don't get me wrong I would like one and I am not suggesting Kompany takes it on cos I like him at the back.

But why do we have to be so rigid with our play. Barry has attacking ability but he doesnt get released from his defensive role. The full backs love to attack but are largely held in check. Bilic found it very noticeable and was quite surprised and I think most of our fans are as well that we show such limited ambition going forward.

The standard response to this is usually about how bad the defence was and that we had to get that right and that's fair comment but only to a point.The target set for the season I believe was reset to 70 points which now means we have to get 24 from the next 12 games and I just wonder how many we are likely to get playing the kind of game we are at the moment. I believe the manager will know this very well and will/must make the necessary changes

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I've been critical of Mancini's tactics but the way we lined up today, we had 4 attacking players & 2 overlapping fullbacks. That's not much different to Real Madrid. Looking at Real Madrid though, Johnson & Adebayor would have complimented their team but Replace Ronaldo with SWP & Kaka with Ireland as they played today & it's doubtful they'd finish in the La Liga top 4.

Did the overlapping full backs overlap? I certainly didn't see it.

Yeah they had a go but Liverpool's hadn't moved for 90 mins so it wasn't that easy!

[Dubaimancityfan]

Sort of agree but I actually think Barry could play that role ok and Kompany probably and maybe Vieira but the point I am trying to make is that it's more the lack of overall team ambition that is hindering our attacking more than the missing link of a top playmaker. Don't get me wrong I would like one and I am not suggesting Kompany takes it on cos I like him at the back.

But why do we have to be so rigid with our play. Barry has attacking ability but he doesnt get released from his defensive role. The full backs love to attack but are largely held in check. Bilic found it very noticeable and was quite surprised and I think most of our fans are as well that we show such limited ambition going forward.

The standard response to this is usually about how bad the defence was and that we had to get that right and that's fair comment but only to a point.The target set for the season I believe was reset to 70 points which now means we have to get 24 from the next 12 games and I just wonder how many we are likely to get playing the kind of game we are at the moment. I believe the manager will know this very well and will/must make the necessary changes

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I've been critical of Mancini's tactics but the way we lined up today,

we had 4 attacking players

& 2 overlapping fullbacks. That's not much different to Real Madrid. Looking at Real Madrid though, Johnson & Adebayor would have complimented their team but Replace Ronaldo with SWP & Kaka with Ireland as they played today & it's doubtful they'd finish in the La Liga top 4.

Pretty much agree with a lot of what has been said on this post. But on yr point about 4 attacking players, what was the idea behind bringing on Ibrahim. I don't even know what's his best position is having seen him play once only against Boro. Is he an attacking mid or defensive mid. Can't blame the lad and he did his best in a very big match. I would have thought a better replacement for Stevie, would have been Bellamy and keeping SWP on the field. Or since we were playing with an attacking midfielder, why not bring on RSC to play behind Ade (or rotate with him). I think the introduction of Ibrahim was Mancini's only mistake yesterday and had it been played differently we might have just pinched a goal in the last 15 minutes.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Sort of agree but I actually think Barry could play that role ok and Kompany probably and maybe Vieira but the point I am trying to make is that it's more the lack of overall team ambition that is hindering our attacking more than the missing link of a top playmaker. Don't get me wrong I would like one and I am not suggesting Kompany takes it on cos I like him at the back.

But why do we have to be so rigid with our play. Barry has attacking ability but he doesnt get released from his defensive role. The full backs love to attack but are largely held in check. Bilic found it very noticeable and was quite surprised and I think most of our fans are as well that we show such limited ambition going forward.

The standard response to this is usually about how bad the defence was and that we had to get that right and that's fair comment but only to a point.The target set for the season I believe was reset to 70 points which now means we have to get 24 from the next 12 games and I just wonder how many we are likely to get playing the kind of game we are at the moment. I believe the manager will know this very well and will/must make the necessary changes

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I've been critical of Mancini's tactics but the way we lined up today,

we had 4 attacking players

& 2 overlapping fullbacks. That's not much different to Real Madrid. Looking at Real Madrid though, Johnson & Adebayor would have complimented their team but Replace Ronaldo with SWP & Kaka with Ireland as they played today & it's doubtful they'd finish in the La Liga top 4.

Pretty much agree with a lot of what has been said on this post. But on yr point about 4 attacking players, what was the idea behind bringing on Ibrahim. I don't even know what's his best position is having seen him play once only against Boro. Is he an attacking mid or defensive mid. Can't blame the lad and he did his best in a very big match. I would have thought a better replacement for Stevie, would have been Bellamy and keeping SWP on the field. Or since we were playing with an attacking midfielder, why not bring on RSC to play behind Ade (or rotate with him). I think the introduction of Ibrahim was Mancini's only mistake yesterday and had it been played differently we might have just pinched a goal in the last 15 minutes.

Is it possible for a midfielder to be neither attacking or defensive? That's what I think Ibrahim's game is all about , sort of box to box type but without a real energy in his game.

[Renato_CTID]

It's simply impossible playing football against squads with 4-6-0! Rafa, adelante, you're killing football with your shit tactics!

[Dubaimancityfan]

Sort of agree but I actually think Barry could play that role ok and Kompany probably and maybe Vieira but the point I am trying to make is that it's more the lack of overall team ambition that is hindering our attacking more than the missing link of a top playmaker. Don't get me wrong I would like one and I am not suggesting Kompany takes it on cos I like him at the back.

But why do we have to be so rigid with our play. Barry has attacking ability but he doesnt get released from his defensive role. The full backs love to attack but are largely held in check. Bilic found it very noticeable and was quite surprised and I think most of our fans are as well that we show such limited ambition going forward.

The standard response to this is usually about how bad the defence was and that we had to get that right and that's fair comment but only to a point.The target set for the season I believe was reset to 70 points which now means we have to get 24 from the next 12 games and I just wonder how many we are likely to get playing the kind of game we are at the moment. I believe the manager will know this very well and will/must make the necessary changes

Away Chelsea,Arse,Fulham,
Home Spurs,Man U,Villa,Brum

They are all games I doubt we can win unless we change the approach to the way we play.If we can get 15 from the others ( which is unlikely we need 9 from these 7 games. Sure as hell aint going to be easy.

I've been critical of Mancini's tactics but the way we lined up today,

we had 4 attacking players

& 2 overlapping fullbacks. That's not much different to Real Madrid. Looking at Real Madrid though, Johnson & Adebayor would have complimented their team but Replace Ronaldo with SWP & Kaka with Ireland as they played today & it's doubtful they'd finish in the La Liga top 4.

Pretty much agree with a lot of what has been said on this post. But on yr point about 4 attacking players, what was the idea behind bringing on Ibrahim. I don't even know what's his best position is having seen him play once only against Boro. Is he an attacking mid or defensive mid. Can't blame the lad and he did his best in a very big match. I would have thought a better replacement for Stevie, would have been Bellamy and keeping SWP on the field. Or since we were playing with an attacking midfielder, why not bring on RSC to play behind Ade (or rotate with him). I think the introduction of Ibrahim was Mancini's only mistake yesterday and had it been played differently we might have just pinched a goal in the last 15 minutes.

Is it possible for a midfielder to be neither attacking or defensive? That's what I think Ibrahim's game is all about , sort of box to box type but without a real energy in his game.

I hope he's another Michael Johnson in the making but do you agree that his introduction was ill conceived and was "sort of" a turning point in the match.