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Well, I guess 19th is an improvement on 'n/a', and these figures are last seasons, but we really need to get CL football to make an impression on this lot (or charge ridiculous gate money like Spuds). And of course Cookie can get in gear selling the club round the world!


1 (1) Real Madrid £341.9million

2 (3) Barcelona £311.7million

3 (2) Manchester Utd £278.5million

4 (4) Bayern Munich £246.6million

5 (6) Arsenal £224million

6 (5) Chelsea £206.4million

7 (8) Liverpool £184.8million

8 (11) Juventus £173.1million

9 (10) Inter Milan £167.4million

10 (7) AC Milan £167.4million

11 (15) Hamburg £124.9million

12 (9) Roma £124.7million

13 (12) Lyon £118.9million

14 (16) Marseille £113.5million

15 (14) Spurs £113million

16 (13) Schalke £106million

17 (na) Werder Bremen £97.7million

18 (20) Borussia Dortmund £88.1million

19 (na) Manchester City £87million

20 (17) Newcastle £86million



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I reckon with shirt sales this season not only being higher but also only sold through club aswell as cup runs, higher average attendance and being on tele every week we will jump up a fair few places and then next season if we get CL football we'll considerabley close the gap.

Add the fact we'll most probably only buy one or two from now and our finances should be ok by 2012.

can someone explain to me why there is so many german teams?

Shouldnt the rags say -£421.5 million, rich list my arse Half the clubs on there are poorer then the average student

Its income based, not bank balance.
I'm happy supporting the team with more money to spend than anyone else rather than the one who makes the most money.

Bingo Lewis wrote:Its income based, not bank balance.
I'm happy supporting the team with more money to spend than anyone else rather than the one who makes the most money.

exactly. How can united be 3rd in the rich list when they are riddled with debt

Alright pop pickers, a new entry at number nineteen, n-n-n-n-NINETEEN, NINETEEN! It’s the best team in the land and all the world MANCHESTER CITY!!

I wish Alan Freeman was alive to announce that!

God knows how Bayern get so much income - outside of the German speaking countries they´ve got no fanbase globally AND they´ve failed to qualify for the last 2 Chumps leagues

Manx Blue wrote:Alright pop pickers, a new entry at number nineteen, n-n-n-n-NINETEEN, NINETEEN! It’s the best team in the land and all the world MANCHESTER CITY!!

I wish Alan Freeman was alive to announce that!

Pretty sure we were in it before, only missed one or two seasons after crowds dropped. I agree that this season we will have much more revenue, but we need big money (of the CL) to get above a lot of the teams directly above us.

It is relevant because of Platini's bonkers plans related to revenue, which will force more benevolent clubs like City to make as much money as possible from their fans, in order to buy top players.

What a twat!

blue wine wrote:can someone explain to me why there is so many german teams?

massive stadiums sold out every week

Fidel Castro wrote:

blue wine wrote:can someone explain to me why there is so many german teams?

massive stadiums sold out every week

Germany is a feckin big country and football mad to boot. They easily keep the people flocking into their stadiums by having very reasonable ticket prices and all the associated merchandise is cheap too. A German football match is a day out as well and there are things happening around the grounds to add to the enjoyment, the scran inside the ground is top notch which encourages people to get in the ground early and spend money. It makes great business sense and we could learn a lot from them.

Fish111 wrote:

Fidel Castro wrote:

blue wine wrote:can someone explain to me why there is so many german teams?

massive stadiums sold out every week

Germany is a feckin big country and football mad to boot. They easily keep the people flocking into their stadiums by having very reasonable ticket prices and all the associated merchandise is cheap too. A German football match is a day out as well and there are things happening around the grounds to add to the enjoyment, the scran inside the ground is top notch which encourages people to get in the ground early and spend money. It makes great business sense and we could learn a lot from them.

A 10% depreciation of the pound against the euro helps as well.

WE are not rich the Sheikh is.

But once he builds us hotels and a mass of leisure property and we crack the champs league.
We will get a lot richer.


Oh and fuck TWATINI.

Super league anyone?

Real Madrid £341.9million
Barcelona £311.7million
Manchester Utd £278.5million
Bayern Munich £246.6million
Arsenal £224million
Chelsea £206.4million
Liverpool £184.8million
Juventus £173.1million
Inter Milan £167.4million
AC Milan £167.4million
Hamburg £124.9million
Roma £124.7million
Lyon £118.9million
Marseille £113.5million
Spurs £113million
Schalke £106million
Werder Bremen £97.7million
Borussia Dortmund £88.1million
Manchester City £87million
Newcastle £86million

lets all have a disco wrote:WE are not rich the Sheikh is.

But once he builds us hotels and a mass of leisure property and we crack the champs league.
We will get a lot richer.


Oh and fuck TWATINI.

Super league anyone?

Real Madrid £341.9million
Barcelona £311.7million
Manchester Utd £278.5million
Bayern Munich £246.6million
Arsenal £224million
Chelsea £206.4million
Liverpool £184.8million
Juventus £173.1million
Inter Milan £167.4million
AC Milan £167.4million
Hamburg £124.9million
Roma £124.7million
Lyon £118.9million
Marseille £113.5million
Spurs £113million
Schalke £106million
Werder Bremen £97.7million
Borussia Dortmund £88.1million
Manchester City £87million
Newcastle £86million

Doesn't seem right having Sir Joey in a Super League!!

re: the £100m gap between us and the top 8 clubs, just how the fuck do the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea generate that income?

If champs league is worth £25m? where the fuck does the other £100 odd million come from that they earn extra to us. They get the same tv deal as us, slightly bigger sponsorship deals, but still, do they sell and extra £50m worth of shirts?

More to the point, looking at EVERY club in that list, with all that income - how many of them actually turned a profit in the same financial year? 1, 2, maybe 3 at a push, which makes you wonder about how Platini's rules can ever work.

Clearly to sustain the wages of our playing staff, we need to be up there with the big boys in terms of income, so how do we find and extra £150m. This ground re-development is gonna have to be fucking vegas style to improve our extra-curricular income to a reasonable level

blue wine wrote:can someone explain to me why there is so many german teams?

SV Werder has made it into the UEFA-Cup final and also in the german cup final that season. Borussia Dortmund has an average attendance of 75.300. FC Bayern has brillant sponsorship deals.

johnpb78 wrote:re: the £100m gap between us and the top 8 clubs, just how the fuck do the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea generate that income?
If champs league is worth £25m? where the fuck does the other £100 odd million come from that they earn extra to us. They get the same tv deal as us, slightly bigger sponsorship deals, but still, do they sell and extra £50m worth of shirts?

More to the point, looking at EVERY club in that list, with all that income - how many of them actually turned a profit in the same financial year? 1, 2, maybe 3 at a push, which makes you wonder about how Platini's rules can ever work.

Clearly to sustain the wages of our playing staff, we need to be up there with the big boys in terms of income, so how do we find and extra £150m. This ground re-development is gonna have to be fucking vegas style to improve our extra-curricular income to a reasonable level

With London clubs you can double our gate receipts mate, because they charge so flaming much, and people pay it (that's why Spuds are so high). Also where we have lagged behind by 30 years of dross - certainly in the last 10-12 - is in not having a global exposure which gets fans elsewhere. However our exposure this last 12 months has been immense, for whatever reason, and we should soon start to find some decent shirt-buying, camera-snapping, prawn-munching glory-hunters!

Remember this is a journey.
Enjoy it.
We are going in the right direction and I am loving it.

john@staustell wrote:

johnpb78 wrote:re: the £100m gap between us and the top 8 clubs, just how the fuck do the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea generate that income?
If champs league is worth £25m? where the fuck does the other £100 odd million come from that they earn extra to us. They get the same tv deal as us, slightly bigger sponsorship deals, but still, do they sell and extra £50m worth of shirts?

More to the point, looking at EVERY club in that list, with all that income - how many of them actually turned a profit in the same financial year? 1, 2, maybe 3 at a push, which makes you wonder about how Platini's rules can ever work.

Clearly to sustain the wages of our playing staff, we need to be up there with the big boys in terms of income, so how do we find and extra £150m. This ground re-development is gonna have to be fucking vegas style to improve our extra-curricular income to a reasonable level

With London clubs you can double our gate receipts mate, because they charge so flaming much, and people pay it (that's why Spuds are so high). Also where we have lagged behind by 30 years of dross - certainly in the last 10-12 - is in not having a global exposure which gets fans elsewhere. However our exposure this last 12 months has been immense, for whatever reason, and we should soon start to find some decent shirt-buying, camera-snapping, prawn-munching glory-hunters!

If Arsenal get an average matchday revenue (including meals, beer etc) of £50 a head for 60,000 it still only comes to £3m per match, which is a total income over the premier league season of £75m assuming say 25 home games in a season.

If Chelsea had the same £50/head for 40,000, it comes to £2m a game, or £50m over the course of a 25 home game season.

If we have an average of £25/head for 48,000 it comes to we would drag in £22m in premier league games alone.

I know its an ultra simplistic view as it doesnt take into account kids tickets etc, but even after matchday revenues, it still leaves a bloody huge gap, and questions about particularly Chelsea's extra curricular income considering the only clubs I would say have a true global brand are United and Liverpool.

I can understand Arsenals, as I suspect property sales are included in their figure, as I believe they are still in receipt of income from the redevelopment of Highbury, but Chelsea's income is a mystery to me as I certainly dont see them as a global brand, and even if they were, surely that factor alone is not worth an extra £70m a year?

Not sure about that John, the Premier League is globally huge and the World is a big place.
Maybe an accumulation of higher prices/gate reciepts + CL income + the global markets is what pushes them up there.
If so, we have a new world of income to tap into over the next few years.