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Sunday's B*ll*x

Postby Chinners » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:17 am

Manchester City striker Robinho, now on loan at Brazilian side Santos, has taken a swipe at Eastlands manager Roberto Mancini, claiming the Italian "has a lack of ability". Sunday Mirror (See Saturday's B*ll*x)

Manchester City planning new £50million training HQ
Manchester City are set to unveil plans for a £50million training ground as part of a £500m development of the land surrounding their Eastlands stadium.
City’s owners want to base boss Roberto Mancini’s first-team squad and the club’s youth Academy on a 50-acre site that had been earmarked for housing.
Money will be no object as City look to build a training complex that will be the best in the world.
A club source said: “This will be much more than just a training ground. It will be the club’s headquarters and will be the envy of football.“It is more proof that the owners are serious about turning City into one of the biggest clubs in the world.
“It will also help to attract the top players because it will be the best of its kind in terms of training, medical and rehabilitation facilities.”
It is understood that the site will even include apartments to house Academy players.
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UEFA plans will make billionaire bailouts official
Chelsea and Manchester City could be banned under new rules
Roman Abramovich and Sheik Mansour may still be able to fund their teams under UEFA's new financial rules but will have to do so in the future by sponsoring their own clubs.
European football chiefs have vowed to ban clubs who consistently make a loss, as Chelsea and Manchester City do, only surviving because of subsidies from their billionaire owners.
UEFA's new rules, due to take effect in 2012, are likely to still allow owners to put money into clubs, albeit only through an official deal. 'This is being looked into,' said UEFA general secretary Gianni Infantino. 'It would be difficult to monitor this, but a sponsorship agreement is still better than a club being funded by a benefactor, because it has clear payment schedules and a contract.
'It is better than a loan because then if someone gets tired of paying, the club are left with the debt. At least this way you have a contract in your hand.'

SOCK SUCKING BOLLOX
Gary Neville explains Old Trafford's 'you've never made it' culture

Gary Neville knows how the controversy industry works. "It's all noise, really. It's all fluff and noise," he says, casting his thoughts back to the night he raised a finger to Carlos Tevez in that molten Carling Cup semi-final against Manchester City. His critique of what football is really about opens the widest window on what it takes to be a Manchester United player for 19 years.

Inside the United brotherhood, the FA Youth Cup-winning class of 1992 -- Neville, Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs -- carry the red flame of continuity and tradition into their mid-30s.

Neville, who joined the club way back in 1991 and made the first of his 588 appearances a year later against Torpedo Moscow, has seen and heard everything in two momentous decades and is widely seen as Alex Ferguson's spiritual enforcer on the pitch.

Forthright, indomitable and unafraid of conflict with Liverpool fans or ex-United stars now strutting about for City, Neville has processed his clash with Tevez and come up with a bitingly accurate appraisal of how the bust-up business works. It started with a column he wrote about his former team-mate in a Maltese newspaper and ended with cordite blowing across the Manchester derby after Tevez made a yap-yap gesture to him from the pitch and Neville answered with a single-digit response, which prompted his Argentinian sparring partner to call him a "sock sucker".

He takes up the story: "It started with one of the most innocuous articles I've ever done. If it had been read fully by everybody it was quite complimentary about him. Then, on the day of the game, the press built it up and I end up warming up just at the point where he scores the goal. I don't believe in coincidence. What you get then is a week of it.

"Last Sunday we went up for the [Carling Cup] final and got the medal round our necks and that's all that matters. It's what happens at the end. The noise and fluff that happened between those semi-final legs was great drama for everyone. The atmosphere at Old Trafford was absolutely incredible. I'm not going to say I was responsible for that but everything that happened in that previous week contributed to it and thankfully we came out on top. People won't remember in 20 years that week of headlines. They'll remember who won the Carling Cup. That's the way I look at it. It's just a complete irrelevance."

Gary Neville, who perhaps took his younger brother Phil's share of feistiness in a sports-mad family -- sister Tracey played netball for England -- has always sounded like a manager in waiting, a long-term successor to Ferguson, who thinks more deeply about the game than any senior England international of the past 20 years.

But there is a surprise. "What gives me the right to think I can go from being in one profession for 19 years, which is playing football, to all of a sudden becoming a manager of men and a manager of people?" he says.

"There've been so many examples of failure in the last 10 to 15 years. I don't see happy people. People might say it's a challenge but I want happiness in my life.

"Am I going to give my all to management in the same way as I did 20 years ago to becoming a football player? Probably not, if I'm being honest, because I see that some of the great coaches -- Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez, Mourinho -- probably weren't right at the top of the tree as players but it made them more determined to succeed as managers and coaches."

Encoded in the heads of Scholes, Giggs and Neville are the secrets of United's success over the past 20 years and the culture of insatiability that renders each triumph in league or cup a fleeting moment. Neville must leave this soon, unless United sign him straight to the coaching staff, as they did with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, but he can still describe United's ethos from a combatant's perspective.

With his rich knowledge of players and their psychologies he was bound to cast a keen eye on Wayne Rooney's development from enfant terrible to mature team figurehead: "He's got the fighting qualities of a Roy Keane, that warrior element in him. He's a street fighter: a street footballer playing for Manchester United and England at the peak of his powers. That's what he is. He's so determined; his mentality's fantastic to want to play football every minute of every day. Nothing fazes him and it hasn't from the minute he came into the England squad.

"I remember the day of the France game in the 2004 European Championship and him turning round and saying: 'I can't wait for tonight.' That's a strange statement. That's a nervous moment for a player but he's one who will absolutely eat that moment up. That's what he lives for.

"As a defender I like talking about players who can win me games, particularly at United. He won us the Carling Cup on Sunday with his header. His effort is incredible: to be determined in every single second of every game, it makes him a great football player, all round, and someone who can do whatever he wants to do in the game.

"The one danger is that he's almost had a full career at 24. He should be 28 now and have four years left. To get where I am now he's got 11 years left and he's already played eight or nine. I suppose all he's got to do is look at Ryan Giggs every single day: a guy who's improved every day from 16 or 17 when he made his debut to the age of 36. He's got a living example in the changing room. That's the danger to Wayne: he's almost got to play two careers. Twenty years at the top, to get to 35, is two careers, which is what Ryan has done."

Rooney, Neville thinks, is the new embodiment of a principle that was hammered into the Beckham generation in the early 1990s and which is passed on still to foreign imports who join the Carrington cult: "It becomes very easy to be motivated and determined and maintain your form year in, year out when you have a club like this to play for. The manager doesn't accept anything other than repeat performances season after season.

"The education we received at this club from 16 to 20 is vital. Eric Harrison and Brian Kidd before that instilled in us what it took to be a Man United player. The idea was that you've never made it. With a young player sometimes you hear people saying -- he's made it. Our idea was that you've never made it. There's always someone who's done better than you.

"I'm sat here now at 35, having done and seen quite a lot of things, but I look at [Paolo] Maldini or Cafu, or before them Denis Irwin, Lee Dixon or Nigel Winterburn, or Ryan Giggs in my own dressing room -- and there's always someone who's done more than you, which makes you want to go on. And there's the absolute love of winning trophies. From the minute we joined the club -- FA Youth Cup in the first year, Lancashire League division one, then the reserve-team league -- you continually want to win trophies. We've been very lucky to have played alongside each other but also alongside players who have enabled us to win trophies under great management.

"You can perform well and still be out if you don't fit the plan. There are no passengers, it's a conveyor belt and, if you're not contributing to the success of the football club in some way, you won't be here much longer."

My use of the word passenger in a conversation about United's refusal to carry non-contributors raises the spectre of his retirement, this summer or maybe next, and the pain of passing through that door into the second half of a footballer's life. Even to think of it must be torture. He says: "It is an agonising process because to stop playing at this club is a big thing for me. I love the club, it's all I've ever known.

"But in some ways it becomes easier for me because I love the club that much I don't want to become a passenger. Everybody would say -- play football for as long as you possibly can. Everybody would say that, because you can't go back to it.

"But there's more to it than that for me. For me to go and play at another football club just won't happen. I won't dilute my memories of football. I know that would happen for me. My colours are so firmly nailed to the mast at this club, for me to go and run out in a different shirt, I just wouldn't enjoy that. Is this going to be my last season? Who knows? I honestly don't know myself.

"There is a need for experience but it's a question of how long I can keep making a contribution, and more importantly how long the manager thinks I can make one. There are maximum 15 games to go. We've got one trophy in the bag. If it does happen to be my last three months at the club, I'd better go and enjoy it."

Those three months could yet bring a recall to Fabio Capello's World Cup squad but Neville accepts that "if Glen Johnson and Wes Brown are fit, that's what he's going to go with". Still, his 85 caps and experience of five international tournaments stretching back to Euro 96 have furnished him with a sharp sense of his country's failings: "The biggest problem playing with England in major tournaments, I've found, is the ball retention. I believe we work harder as a culture. You'll see Wayne Rooney chasing back 80 yards. But he's a player you want to see win the game. Kaka, Ronaldinho, Robinho, will just sit out a game, conserve their energy. Ronaldo wouldn't bust a gut to get back but he'd bust a gut to win you a game."

To non-United fans, Neville is the agent provocateur who celebrates United goals at the Liverpool end and runs on a kind of non-defined anger. To United fans, he is a hero. Where other players shrink from trouble, Neville sees self-assertion as an expression of his club's identity.

"I don't want conflict, but then sometimes I suppose controlling your emotions hasn't been my greatest quality. I don't plan for Rio Ferdinand to score the last-minute goal against Liverpool at Old Trafford and do what I did [run to celebrate at the Liverpool end in 2006, for which he was fined £5,000]. They're not moments you plan for before the game. They just happen. Sometimes I go home and think -- 'Should you have done that? Probably not, Gary. But you've done it, what can you do about it, it's in your character, you are what you are'.

"My wife [Emma], sometimes, when I go home, might ask: 'Why did you do that?' And I can't answer. That's me, and there's nothing I can do about it. I always believe I've been totally professional as a football player in my preparation for matches. You're aware you're going to make mistakes, slip up, say the wrong thing, let yourself down, but over a 19-year career those things are going to happen."

An emotional nature, he thinks, may stand between him and success in management: "Am I suited to it? Potentially not. I have emotions. The best managers sometimes don't have that emotion, they're able to be ruthless and cold and purely be managers. My career, a lot of it, has been through emotion and passion and attitude. Are those qualities the best for managing a football team? Probably not."

These confessions are not wholly self-abasing because he also points out that the climate in which displays of strong emotion are judged has changed in this age of mass scrutiny: "The media coverage of events is completely different to 10 years ago. Everybody's a lot more precious about everything that's said. Footballers are different from 10 years ago. The game's changed. Maybe I'm old-fashioned. What I've done might have been more acceptable 10 years ago, now it's back-page headlines. I think -- that was an innocuous incident, and it's become a saga or a soap opera for a week. On the other hand I'm an experienced football player who should know that's what's going to happen.

"I don't blame the media, they have a job to do, and it's more difficult to sell papers now with the internet, so they have to be more sensational with their headlines. Footballers have more intrusions into their private lives than ever before. Is that acceptable? You know that's the case before you go into it, so that's life, just get on with it. I'm wearing a Man Utd badge. Whatever comes my way I've got to take."

Soon this will be the stuff of ex-player ruminations. Here there is no ambiguity about what he will pine for most: "The moment of winning the trophy. That evening, when you've actually done it. It's the thrill of the final whistle blowing and knowing you've won a trophy that I'll miss the most." From 16 to 35: no dilution of spirit, no compromise.

TRANSFER BOLLOX
England midfielder Joe Cole is poised for a summer move to long-time admirers Manchester United if there is no agreement on a new contract at Chelsea.: Sunday Express

Liverpool will offer Fernando Torres substantially greater rewards on his image rights to fend off bids from Manchester City and Barcelona. News of the World

Everton plan to splash the cash this summer by offering current Goodison Park stars improved contracts, as opposed to spending their money on big name transfers. News of the World

Tottenham midfielder Jermaine Jenas has started taking Italian lessons as he prepares for a move to Inter Milan in the close-season. Sunday Mirror

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OTHER BOLLOX
Portsmouth fans are lining up launching a new side to groundshare with Havant & Waterlooville if their club go under. The Observer

Wayne Bridge will not end his self-imposed England exile, dashing manager Fabio Capello's hopes of changing the Manchester City defender's mind before the World Cup. Sunday Mirror

Capello will tell the seven players who have failed to make his final 23-man World Cup squad the bad news at a sudden-death team meeting in Austria following the friendly against Japan in Graz on 30 May. News of the World

European football chiefs have vowed to ban clubs who consistently make a loss and only survive because of subsidies from their billionaire owners. Daily Mail

Liverpool will delay talks over a new contract with defender Jamie Carragher, who has just over a year left on his current deal, until next year. News of the World

Fabio Aurelio, though, is unlikely to remain at Anfield beyond the summer when his deal expires after a season dogged by injuries. News of the World

Manchester United defender John O'Shea is poised to make a miraculous return to action, possibly within the next couple of weeks, after originally being ruled out for the remainder of the season with a blood clot last November. News of the World

A new Premier League-endorsed scheme aimed at teenage football talent hopes to eradicate the 'spoilt rich kid' image of England's top footballers following the recent headline-grabbing antics of Ashley Cole and John Terry. News of the World

England striker Peter Crouch has ruled out marrying girlfriend Abbey Clancy this summer because "the World Cup is the most important thing". News of the World
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Re: Sunday's B*ll*x

Postby john@staustell » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:46 am

All sorted then. A sponsorship agreement and the owner can pump as much as he likes into a club. All that wasted debate!
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Re: Sunday's B*ll*x

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:00 am

Cheers Chinners.

That's very good news, it looks like the loophole I've been expecting they'd leave in the regulations, so that people like the Sheikh could invest, is actually going to be a great big yawning gap with floodlights & a 'welcome' sign on it.

Nothing can stop us, if that's true.

Training ground sounds fantastic too.
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Well I heard that the Sheikh... bought Carlos Tevez this week...& you fuckers aint gettin' nothin..
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Re: Sunday's B*ll*x

Postby Crossie » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:08 am

That Neville article = TLDR
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Re: Sunday's B*ll*x

Postby Chinners » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:55 pm

CITY SPIES RAVE ABOUT HIGUAIN BOLLOX
Tevez fancies partnership with his international pal
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MANCHESTER CITY are plotting a summer swoop for Gonzalo Higuain after a midweek mission to watch him in action for Argentina.
City's undercover scouts sent a glowing report back to the club after his stunning strike beat Germany.
Higuain is at the centre of a contract dispute with Real officials after turning down their latest offer of an improved deal.
The striker has scored 16 goals in 18 La Liga appearances this season and is considered to be one of the best strikers in Spain.
Higuain wants to stay at the Bernabeu, but believes he should be paid the same salary as French flop Karim Benzema.
The Argentine striker has taken Benzema's place in the Real Madrid side and is finally justifying his billing.
City are monitoring his situation at Real, but are conscious that another public pursuit of a high-profile player could end in spectacular failure.
They were caught cold on the deal for Kaka and there is a reluctance among executives to sign more superstars after Robinho's disastrous spell in Manchester.
Higuain's Argentine team-mate Carlos Tevez speaks highly of the Real forward and is convinced they can form a lethal partnership in the Premier League.

TORRES KOPS BUMPER LIVERPOOL DEAL BOLLOX
Reds fight off City and Barca bids
FERNANDO Torres will be offered the chance to become 'the face of Liverpool' to fend off mega bids from Manchester City and Barcelona.
The Merseysiders are in talks with the striker's advisors to massively enhance Torres' commercial earnings as they try to kill off speculation about his future.
Torres signed a £100k a week four year deal last summer, but the terms will be made much more lucrative following this summer's World Cup.
Liverpool want to provide substantially greater rewards on Torres' image rights as he's marketed as a Kop icon around the world.
It would be the most profitable player specific commercial deal in Anfield history, recognising Torres' hero status as critical to Liverpool's enduring global popularity.
Liverpool know they can't compete with the kind of wages City are prepared to offer the 25-year-old, which is why they've devised a similar strategy to that Manchester United are adopting to retain Wayne Rooney.
The Kop's commercial profits have been on the rise in recent seasons, and it's the fame and pulling power of Anfield which will allow the club to maximise Torres' financial rewards.
Although the club is confident Torres won't quit Liverpool as early as this summer, they're braced for massive bids, especially if they fail to qualify for the Champions League.
Manchester City's hopes of luring the striker have always looked slim regardless of their wealth, but Barcelona have also recently registered an interest.
Chelsea also tried to sign Torres last summer and Liverpool know they face a serious battle to keep the player if they don't get their act together on and off the pitch.
Torres is known to have been anxious for reassurances about the direction of the club following a disappointing season, but Liverpool hope their proposals prove that any suggestion they'd cash in on the player are ill-founded.
There have been fears the cash problems of co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr would make them vulnerable to £80m offers, but their joint reign is entering its final months.
They know it's in the club's interest to keep their most prized asset on Merseyside as it makes Liverpool more attractive to investors.
The talks with Torres' advisors underline the determination to not only resist all bids, but to ensure that financially he'll be rewarded as handsomely at Anfield as anywhere else.
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